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General Sir Richard Dannatt calls for 'aid army'
Telegraph (UK), 13 Jun 08
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Britain's top soldier has called for the Army to draw up plans for a complementary military force which specialises in bringing stability and aid to unstable foreign nations.

General Sir Richard Dannatt, chief of the general staff, said the Army's future role would be to provide long-term support for troubled nations, rather than prepare to defend Britain in a large-scale war.

Britain was more likely to be involved in "liberal interventionism" abroad and soldiers would have to take on the tasks more commonly performed by international aid and development organisations.

He said troops' training should include work delivering aid or working in an undeveloped country's police force, which would help create an Army "capable of both fighting alongside local forces and delivering tasks in area where the civil agencies cannot operate".

The Army's main role would be to provide "military assistance, security and development" in line with the government policies of the day, he told the Royal United Services Institute conference.

"It is essential that the military continue to adapt to ensure that we are relevant to policy ends," he said "If we fail to continue to adapt, if we fail to make ourselves relevant in the modern world to the needs of government policy, then we will simply develop a self-serving military machine with no rationale based on realistic policy."

But the emphasis on "stabilisation" did not mean fighting wars was a thing of the past, he said.

 
tomahawk6 said:
Waste of resources.

I disagree - This is exactly Phase 4. Its what Colin Powell said - if you go in you own the problem. What was done in Bosnia. Who will rebuild Bagdad? - you (meaning all who take down the bad guys)

Waste of Resources is 20 years past its prime.

Read this first while you clean your rifle http://www.thomaspmbarnett.com/published/pentagonsnewmap.htm

Most people may be too busy to read it - so watch the show http://youtube.com/watch?v=P7El18wbBd4

What the FIX IT Regiment will be tasked with doing
A link from Thomas barnett Website http://www.thomaspmbarnett.com/glossary.htm

Department of Everything Else 'Back to the Future' proposal to return to the past structure when the Army was the Department of War and the Department of the Navy was the 'Department of Peace' (especially Business Continuity). This Department would fill the gap between the current DOD and DOS, engaging in MOOTW like nation-building, disaster relief, and counter-insurgency. In many ways, it could be a 'virtual' department, bringing together various resources from the government, NGO, and business sectors, along with foreign governments and the lynch pin SysAdmin force. Compare 'virtual' department, with the way movie companies work, coming together to make a film, then dissolving. Such a virtual department would work an Iraq one way and a Sudan very differently. In contrast with the Department on Homeland Security, our first and greatest strategic error in the Long War on Terror, the DOEE would realize that our American networks are only as secure as every network they are connected to. Such a department would feature many more civilian and older, wiser roles when compared with the current DOD.

Gen Shinseki knows all about this.

 
54/102 CEF said:
I disagree - This is exactly Phase 4. Its what Colin Powell said - if you go in you own the problem. What was done in Bosnia. Who will rebuild Bagdad? - you (meaning all who take down the bad guys)

Waste of Resources is 20 years past its prime.

Read this first while you clean your rifle http://www.thomaspmbarnett.com/published/pentagonsnewmap.htm

Most people may be too busy to read it - so watch the show http://youtube.com/watch?v=P7El18wbBd4

What the FIX IT Regiment will be tasked with doing
A link from Thomas barnett Website http://www.thomaspmbarnett.com/glossary.htm

Department of Everything Else 'Back to the Future' proposal to return to the past structure when the Army was the Department of War and the Department of the Navy was the 'Department of Peace' (especially Business Continuity). This Department would fill the gap between the current DOD and DOS, engaging in MOOTW like nation-building, disaster relief, and counter-insurgency. In many ways, it could be a 'virtual' department, bringing together various resources from the government, NGO, and business sectors, along with foreign governments and the lynch pin SysAdmin force. Compare 'virtual' department, with the way movie companies work, coming together to make a film, then dissolving. Such a virtual department would work an Iraq one way and a Sudan very differently. In contrast with the Department on Homeland Security, our first and greatest strategic error in the Long War on Terror, the DOEE would realize that our American networks are only as secure as every network they are connected to. Such a department would feature many more civilian and older, wiser roles when compared with the current DOD.

Gen Shinseki knows all about this.

CEF,

I agree.This is a very noble idea, but which is very impractical now considering the sad state of the MoD and the lack of troops due to recruiting shortfalls and other reasons, IIRC. Furthermore it kinda already makes sense if Western nations take the intiative to own the problem themselves as opposed to China increasing its already large footprint in Africa.
 
Hmmm...

methinks that this type of role should be one for a US Peace corp kinda organisation

Retain the British army, navy and airforce to pull their a$$ out of the sling once they find out they are in hot water over their A$$
 
"waste of resources"......

Well, if it takes PYs and Dollars (Pounds) from the current budget I agree.

But, if it can be sold as an additional task that is in keeping with the spirit of a large chunk of the UK population (people that see themselves as "helpers" willing to work in a difficult environment but find the "offensive" forces too offensive) perhaps it could result in new resources being made available that would allow current resources to be focused on traditional tasks.

How would it be if the Forces got more funds for additional medical personnel, drivers, engineers and comms types as well as for additional lift?  People that also understood that their job was to support "F" echelon and that "F" echelon allowed them to do their job?

I know that is what the log types do just now but how about if they were marketed more sexily as a Block 3 / Phase 4 humanitarian intervention "Force" separate from, but available to, the current structure?  Would that appeal to those that might otherwise sign on for Defence of the Realm but find Military Intervention by "F" Echelon too aggressive for their taste? 

I know I am splitting hairs and spinnig like Billy-be-dammed here but such is the nature of marketing.
 
This is clearly a role for NGOs. I suspect there's some political moves afoot to make the army more 'user friendly' to a population that is inceasingly representative of 3rd world countries who are busy self-destructing.
 
Kirkhill said:
"waste of resources"......

Well, if it takes PYs and Dollars (Pounds) from the current budget I agree.

.............

I know that is what the log types do just now but how about if they were marketed more sexily as a Block 3 / Phase 4 humanitarian intervention "Force" separate from, but available to, the current structure?  Would that appeal to those that might otherwise sign on for Defence of the Realm but find Military Intervention by "F" Echelon too aggressive for their taste? 

You`ve got it!  ;)

Young and Gung in the F Ech - old and one time bold in the Phase 4 stream
 
If you look at it through the 3D model (Diplomacy, Defence and Development), that is pretty much what we do in Afghanistan. Not quite, but its not far off.

 
daftandbarmy said:
This is clearly a role for NGOs. I suspect there's some political moves afoot to make the army more 'user friendly' to a population that is inceasingly representative of 3rd world countries who are busy self-destructing.

People should remember that "this is how we got ointo trouble in the 1st palce.  The Army dissapeared outa the Canadian Army for some 25 years... and we're only recovering it now....
 
Could this also be a way to give commanders their OWN organic capability to rebuild, as opposed to the friction we read about when the military and NGOs try to work together?  There have been recommendations by various panels to have military organizations deliver (at least initial, short-term) aid.  I agree with all who say "don't take it outta what we have NOW", but how about ADDING a "CIMIC-Heavy" capability (to oversimplify) working for the military boss?
 
Personally, I like the idea.

The implementation and tapping of existing resources is what is causing hackles to rise, but if looked at realistically (I wish), this would allow soldiers to soldier and not get caught up in all the "hearts and minds" operations that definitely drain the resources available to conduct operations...
 
well... there is no doubt that with our own CIMIC capability you can deliver our own Engineer, Police, Health Services, etc capacity to the people... when they need it... VS follow on, when we get the war done / when the NGOs get around to feeling safe about coming round.

I just still feel sour about those pesky rules of engagement we had to contend with between 1970 and 1999.
 
geo said:
well... there is no doubt that with our own CIMIC capability you can deliver our own Engineer, Police, Health Services, etc capacity to the people... when they need it... VS follow on, when we get the war done / when the NGOs get around to feeling safe about coming round.

After everybody has agreed to get along nice-nice, NGOs have to be the way to go.  However, based on how IRQ was managed, it appears there's more of a grey area between "war firing alright" and "war stops", so maybe that's why having more military-employed resources for (initial) rebuild might make sense. 
 
Having the job done by military makes sense IF the combatants down arms when the fighting is over.

But `some ` on the other side subscribe to Tammy Faye Baker`s Military Maxim - It aint over till its over :)
 
One of the things I like about these forms is that it fixes some of my misunderstandings.  Were we not heading in this direction before we were tasked to take part in Afghanistan.  I know some of the training and briefings I recieved in the navy 10 years ago said we were.

I think it is a great idea and if more countries headed in this direction there would be a lot more peacekeeping and a lot less war.  the million dollars spent on rockets would go a lot futher building things then it would tearing them down.
 
Dannett's hopes for moving up to CDS isnt going to happen. The current CDS Air Chief Marshal Sir Jock Stirrup will be extended a year leaving no openings thus forcing his retirement. His replacement might be General Sir David Richards whom I have never thought very much of as a result of his ISAF tenure.
 
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