UK female police officers made to wear hijab to improve relations w/ Muslims

[1feral1]

.....the rest of Canada and why numerous Quebecois are not convinced about multiculturalism.

My  :2c:

I am not from Quebec, but a Saskatoon lad, and I am not convinced that muliticulturalism works.

In my opinion (say recently within the past 15 yrs), it has failed, having produced a (at times thankless citizens of convenience) nation of 'tribes' (many who have hated each other for 100s of years and bring this train of thought to their new home) with many of those rather agitated and/or angry when the federal government of their adopted country does not pander to their ways, religious ideals, thoughts or political views.

Death threats, and other bad behaviour from permanant residents or new citizens should be met with deportation. Yes, and as an immigrrant myself, I would have gladly signed a 10 year good behaviour bond or similar agreement if I did not meet the standards of being a good responsible citizen, that I would be deported. Maybe one day something like this will be adopted?

OWDU

Our country, love it or leave it.

OWDU

 

[midget-boyd91]

I personally don't see a problem with this.  They are only asked to wear it when on duty and entering a place of worship.  It is a sign of respect.  It could be an issue if it prevented them from doing something that may be required, such as donning a gas mask, for instance.

This is only a head covering, not a full face covering, yes?

How many people take off their hats, when entering a school, or their wedge, beret when going indoors? It is, like PMedMoe said, a sign of respect.
Putting on a hijab when entering a mosque is very similar.

My family, which has no connection to Indian culture was invited to a Hindu wedding a few years ago. As soon as we entered the building, we were told it was customary to wear a garb on our heads. Sure. We had no problem doing so. It was respectful.

As for having the Muslim or Hindu communities here make an effort to 'fit in' (for lack of a better phrase) I agree whole-heartedly.
But even that has it's limits. When they enter our countries, we should not be forced to bend over backwards to please their culture. They should make the effort.
But when we enter a mosque, even in our country, it is thier place of worship, and therefore we should make the effort to show respect.

As has been said many times.. my 2 cents.

Oddball

 

[mariomike]

I could not have said it better myself, OWDU or Uncle midget.
Every time, on business or pleasure,  I enter someone else's business establishment, place or worship, or home, I try to be a good guest. An example would be removing headdress in a Legion. It has nothing to do with race or  religion. It's just trying to be respectful.

 

[George Wallace]

I could not have said it better myself, OWDU or Uncle midget.
Every time, on business or pleasure,  I enter someone else's business establishment, place or worship, or home, I try to be a good guest. An example would be removing headdress in a Legion. It has nothing to do with race or  religion. It's just trying to be respectful.

For you, yes.  For others, no.  You may remember the controversy raised by Sikhs in the Legion, and the again of an officer at RMC who refused to remove his beret for the Lords Prayer at a Remembrance Ceremony.  There are some who use their beliefs, religious or other, to not pay what others may call "respect".  This is far from Black and White.

 

[mariomike]

You may remember the controversy raised by Sikhs in the Legion,

I do. Prior to that, I heard reports ( did not see with my own eyes ) of members wearing Stetson hats during Grey Cup games! I'm a card carrying member of Branch 46, although like church, I do not attend often enough. I did however ask a WW2 vet - a British Army type - one time how he felt about it. He had served with Gurkhas, and I think Sikhs too. He basically said, as far as he was concerned, "They can wear whatever the f#$^ they like." ha

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and the again of an officer at RMC who refused to remove his beret for the Lords Prayer at a Remembrance Ceremony.
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No, I did not hear of that. I'm very disappointed.
Respect for others can save your life. We see the lack of it reported every day on the news in "road rage" collisions. I avoid calling them accidents. 

 

 

[midget-boyd91]

For you, yes.  For others, no.  You may remember the controversy raised by Sikhs in the Legion, and the again of an officer at RMC who refused to remove his beret for the Lords Prayer at a Remembrance Ceremony.  There are some who use their beliefs, religious or other, to not pay what others may call "respect".  This is far from Black and White.

The Sikhs wearing a turban in a public, or even government building, I don't see as a sign of disrespect. If it is a symbol of your faith or culture to wear something, then power to ya'.
They aren't pushing anything on us by wearing a turban or hijab.

As for the RMC officer refusing to remove their beret during the Lord's prayer... some people just try their damnest to push a line.

Oddball

 

[George Wallace]

The Sikhs wearing a turban in a public, or even government building, I don't see as a sign of disrespect. If it is a symbol of your faith or culture to wear something, then power to ya'.
They aren't pushing anything on us by wearing a turban or hijab.

As for the RMC officer refusing to remove their beret during the Lord's prayer... some people just try their damnest to push a line.

Oddball

Just to be clear, I wasn't trying to raise a furour over the turban, but was pointing out that it did raise quite a controversy in Legions across the country at the time.  The RMC officer is but another example, but more along the lines of an asshat out to raise shit.  We do have both controversies, some legitimate and others not so.  Time usually settles the legitimate cases, not so the illegitimate.

 

[mariomike]

I remember having to put booties on to go into peoples houses and search. It usually gave them enough time to run out the back door with weapons into the woods where we weren't allowed to follow.

If you are forcibly entering a dwelling in the pursuit of fellons, I say piss on 'em, and anyone harbouring them. Forget the booties.

 

[gaspasser]

I have no idea what you mean by that. Then again... I'd better crank up the Trans-Atlantic piss taking machine

Gay soldier becomes Armed Forces' magazine's first homosexual pin-up

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1202651/Gay-soldier-Armed-Forces-magazines-homosexual-pin-up.html

I don't see what the problem is there??  He's a very smart looking lad, the look of stern concentration of his face would make him a credible foe, n'est pas??  Then again, I don't have a real problem with homosexuals in the military.
Back on thread.  What's next in Britain, God Save The Queen in Hindi?? 


...       :stars:  op:
I heard this morning on AM radio (yeah, that's all the bus had) here in Belleville, the subject was about on line racism and how racist (albeit some are cute, funny and an eye opener) emails can insight anger and hatred.  One of the points of conversation was O'Canada being sung in Hindi to appease the East Indian population of this country.  Some of the remarks were interesting, but the one that I pinged on was; IF we do that, then the National Anthem should be written and sung in Inuit (pardon me if I have the name of the language wrong) I mean, they are the original inhabitants of this land, not the white man or any other immigrant to this country.
IF the Muslims in this case want the police to RESPECT thier ways and laws, then perhaps they should RESPECT our way of life in this country. When I go to a Muslim country, I am EXPECTED and trained to respect their ways and not to push my ways on them.  If you go to France, do you order Timmies' ???



this is solely my personal opinion and is not racist in any way.  rant off. sorry  :2c:

 

[Fishbone Jones]

If you go to France, do you order Timmies' ???

No, that would be a Timothy's avec fromage et sauce brune

 

[the_girlfirend]

No, that would be a Timothy's avec fromage et sauce brune

  ;D C'est quoi ça???

 

[Antoine]

Not exactly,

In France you'll get donuts with any kind of cheese.

Then you cross the Atlantic ocean, you land in Quebec, and you can add the famous "sauce brune".

 

[Fishbone Jones]

  ;D C'est quoi ça???

I thought it would be Timmies with cheese and gravy.

I don't have a schmik how to parle francais