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Understanding our Afghanistan Allies

Popurhedoff

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Mindset,

When I was on tour in Kandahar, our mindset was focused on the enemy, what we thought about them as a people was clouded by our hate, prejudices, and our indifference.  Now being over here for a year and a half as a civilian I can say that I have gained a whole new insight and an appreciation for the average Afghanistan person. 

Most Blue on Green incidents were predicated by a fight, an insult and/or the prejudice of them being completely inferior, lazy, corrupt, or dishonest, they are and were treated less than equal which made them feel totally disrespected.

The corruption aside in the Government and businesses, but the average man, the villager, the recruits in the Police, Army, and APPF I have found that they are very hard working, very loyal and above all very respectful.  I have found that out of all of the countries I have the opportunity to visit I find that the Afghanistan society is one of if not the most respectful societies that I have interacted with.

I have almost 100 Afghanistan Guards, Officers and NCO's, approx. 70% are illiterate, cannot read or write.  They have been fighting since they were children, the Russians, the Taliban, the Warlords and Criminals, all they have known is defending their villages and their way of life.  With this, there was no time for an education but does this make them any less of a person?  We bring in a teacher 5 days a week to teach them to read and write and they are excel at it and are very proud of their accomplishments.

Respect is a very big thing in this society, I have taken the time to learn all their names, if they have families, I have learned to speak and greet them in their own language, they are also learning English and most of all I treat them with respect, treat them like my brother.  I eat with them, joke with them, assist them with their problems, play sports with them and at no time do I think of them of any less than myself.  I have found that a few of my guards have some very good skill sets, one is a veterinarian, another a teacher, two combat medics, a body builder/power lifter, another a black belt in Tae Kwon Do and I use them with their skill sets to assist me to train the rest.  Most of all I teach them about teamwork,  "One Team" is our motto.

My Guard force works up to 21 days and then 7 days off, some have to travel long distances to their villages and if caught by the Taliban are excuted. There is no MWR, no welfare, no equipment for them, they have nothing, no TV, no Internet etc.  I take a portion of my pay every month and buy gym equipment for them, get them volleyballs and soccer balls, have competitions for them and they are really enjoying the friendship.  I get them new and used army boots, and have started "Operation Walking Tall" where people can donate new or used army boots and belts to a retailer and they will ship them to me.

What have my efforts and insights accomplished?  Well since I have been here I have not had so much as a single guard accused of stealing an apple, they always report for duty on time, and have done an excellent job protecting the facility and the Expats/TCN's here.  No incidents or occurrences, no head aches or problems, no threats or insider attacks.  They are respected by everyone here and we respect them.

The guard force found out I was getting ready to go on leave, they pitched together some money that they could not afford to give to buy gifts for my Wife and myself to take back home.  I was completely taken back by this gesture but I should have not expected less knowing how respectful they are.

If you treat them with repsect, they will take you in and protect you with their lives, they will look out for you, they are loyal and trustfull and above all very respectful.  If i had not come back here as a civilian, I doubt that I would have seen this side of them, people at their best.

Cheers
Pop
 
Thank you for sharing your positive experience. I hope you continue to benefit from those around you just as your presence is benefiting them, I'm sure.  Stay safe, thoughts and prayers to you and your loved ones.
 
Popurhedoff said:
Mindset,

When I was on tour in Kandahar, our mindset was focused on the enemy, what we thought about them as a people was clouded by our hate, prejudices, and our indifference.  Now being over here for a year and a half as a civilian I can say that I have gained a whole new insight and an appreciation for the average Afghanistan person. 

Most Blue on Green incidents were predicated by a fight, an insult and/or the prejudice of them being completely inferior, lazy, corrupt, or dishonest, they are and were treated less than equal which made them feel totally disrespected.

The corruption aside in the Government and businesses, but the average man, the villager, the recruits in the Police, Army, and APPF I have found that they are very hard working, very loyal and above all very respectful.  I have found that out of all of the countries I have the opportunity to visit I find that the Afghanistan society is one of if not the most respectful societies that I have interacted with.

I have almost 100 Afghanistan Guards, Officers and NCO's, approx. 70% are illiterate, cannot read or write.  They have been fighting since they were children, the Russians, the Taliban, the Warlords and Criminals, all they have known is defending their villages and their way of life.  With this, there was no time for an education but does this make them any less of a person?  We bring in a teacher 5 days a week to teach them to read and write and they are excel at it and are very proud of their accomplishments.

Respect is a very big thing in this society, I have taken the time to learn all their names, if they have families, I have learned to speak and greet them in their own language, they are also learning English and most of all I treat them with respect, treat them like my brother.  I eat with them, joke with them, assist them with their problems, play sports with them and at no time do I think of them of any less than myself.  I have found that a few of my guards have some very good skill sets, one is a veterinarian, another a teacher, two combat medics, a body builder/power lifter, another a black belt in Tae Kwon Do and I use them with their skill sets to assist me to train the rest.  Most of all I teach them about teamwork,  "One Team" is our motto.

My Guard force works up to 21 days and then 7 days off, some have to travel long distances to their villages and if caught by the Taliban are excuted. There is no MWR, no welfare, no equipment for them, they have nothing, no TV, no Internet etc.  I take a portion of my pay every month and buy gym equipment for them, get them volleyballs and soccer balls, have competitions for them and they are really enjoying the friendship.  I get them new and used army boots, and have started "Operation Walking Tall" where people can donate new or used army boots and belts to a retailer and they will ship them to me.

What have my efforts and insights accomplished?  Well since I have been here I have not had so much as a single guard accused of stealing an apple, they always report for duty on time, and have done an excellent job protecting the facility and the Expats/TCN's here.  No incidents or occurrences, no head aches or problems, no threats or insider attacks.  They are respected by everyone here and we respect them.

The guard force found out I was getting ready to go on leave, they pitched together some money that they could not afford to give to buy gifts for my Wife and myself to take back home.  I was completely taken back by this gesture but I should have not expected less knowing how respectful they are.

If you treat them with repsect, they will take you in and protect you with their lives, they will look out for you, they are loyal and trustfull and above all very respectful.  If i had not come back here as a civilian, I doubt that I would have seen this side of them, people at their best.

Cheers
Pop

Are you sure you weren't Col. John Masters of the Gurkhas in a previous incarnation. He makes the same sort of observations in his memoirs Bugles and a Tiger in the morning, and Beyond Mandaly.

He makes the point that respect is all important. That if you respect your troops culture and honour their customs and acknowledge their achievements, you are laying the groundwork for a successful relationship.  Now he was talking about the Gurkhas and you have had the same type of experience with the Afghans and Gen Radley Waters had the same philosophy in training his tankers.

Could it be that we Canadians, Afghans and Gurkhas have more in common than we think?

Thanks for your posting.
 
Are you sure you weren't Col. John Masters of the Gurkhas in a previous incarnation. He makes the same sort of observations in his memoirs Bugles and a Tiger in the morning, and Beyond Mandaly.

He makes the point that respect is all important. That if you respect your troops culture and honour their customs and acknowledge their achievements, you are laying the groundwork for a successful relationship.  Now he was talking about the Gurkhas and you have had the same type of experience with the Afghans and Gen Radley Waters had the same philosophy in training his tankers.

Could it be that we Canadians, Afghans and Gurkhas have more in common than we think?

I am sure I wasn't,  having never heard of the Col. or have read his memoirs, it must be a shared respect, or maybe it is our upbringing?  Maybe I am finally maturing and seeing things for what they are?

Thank you all for the kind words.

Cheers
Pop
 
I 'stickied" this so it stays at the top of the topic list.
Great post.
 
SherH2A said:
.....you have had the same type of experience with the Afghans and Gen Radley Waters had the same philosophy in training his tankers.
Are you saying that many would consider tankers a backwards, illiterate society?  :whistle:
 
Journeyman said:
Are you saying that many would consider tankers a backwards, illiterate society?  :whistle:

Of course not unless you considered misguided Infanteers, aka crunchies, as part of the many?

FYI when Radley Waters was commissioned in The Sherbrooke Fusilier Regiment, they were Infantry, they only became armour when the CASF decided they needed more armoured regiments to provide proper combat teams.
 
Popurhedoff said:
Ref your original post

I made similar observations on my last tour in Kandahar; I was on an OMLT team, working with an Infantry Kandak in Panjway.
We respected them, lived on the same FOB, ate their food, played volleyball with them and helped them improve their processes, training and infrastructures. And went on OPS with them; we helped treat their casualties and respected their dead.
I made some good friends among the Kandak's SNCOs. There are days I wish I was back there...
 
I never could figure out the ANA passion for volleyball....
 
:goodpost:

I'm currently in the midst of doing another novel placed in Afghanistan and have been doing considerable research on the various Afghan tribal societies and have drawn several conclusions similar to your own observations.

Would love to see more posts of the experiences of those guys who've been there.
 
Infanteer said:
I never could figure out the ANA passion for volleyball....

I didn't either until watching them crush the Americans, other Expat teams and the TCN's.  I was amazed who quickly they took up the game,  setting up, the smash, the spikes... I must say I was impressed.  They played in Combat boots, Flip Flops, bare feet on the dirt/rocks,  they did not care.

Cheers
Pop
 
If you could teach them to skate, they'd probably make a terrifying hockey team as well.
 
cupper said:
If you could teach them to skate, they'd probably make a terrifying hockey team as well.

But could Afghans beat the Jamaican Bobsled Team?
 
Infanteer said:
I never could figure out the ANA passion for volleyball....

So they could check out their women's beach volleyball team    :nod:

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Hey Pop. Great post. I'd like to hear more of your views on how things are progressing over there, and if t really squares with the doom and gloom on the news here south of the border.
 
A few days ago I was Team Leader for a close protection mission,  my team consisted of all local APPF PSD guards that we have trained.  We were protecting a lot of high priced visitors.  When we delivered our package to the residence of the Ministry of Interior, we immediately deployed our team in the narrow crowded streets as outer security for the residence.  A British military close protection team was also there with their client and their team leader came over for a chat.  He was very surprised that I had a full Afghan team.

We got into an excellent conversation about the APPF and Afghans and how with understanding them, treating them with respect that they will are loyal and respectful as well.  I think the Brit finally realised that this APPF thing was here to stay.  We said our best wishes and safe tour and they departed  and we continued our day.  It was a good 11 hours in full battle rattle and not one complaint from the guys, they did a great job.

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Cheers
Pop

 
Just out of curiosity, how able is that all-Afghan team without its foreign national (in this case, Canadian) Team Lead to plan, coord, liaise......
 
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