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Unearthed WW II fighter plane, bombs cause stir in Watson Lake

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Unearthed WW II fighter plane (sigh  ::) can't get anything right) , bombs cause stir in Watson Lake
Last Updated: Thursday, June 4, 2009 | 12:25 PM CT Comments0Recommend2CBC News
The bomber plane wreckage will stay on a trailer near Watson Lake until a dispute is worked out between the couple and Yukon heritage officials. (Submitted by Cpl. Tom Howell)Second World War artifacts, including a pile of vintage bombs and part of an American bomber aircraft, have surfaced in Watson Lake, causing a small turf war between the Yukon government and the Alberta couple that salvaged the plane wreckage.

The couple recovered a section of the plane, which was part of an Allied training fleet during the Second World War, from a nearby lake. While details are sorted out between the government and the couple, the recovered material isn't going anywhere.

"What we have right now is a section of the aircraft, the nose section, on a trailer, out at the lake," Watson Lake RCMP Cpl. Tom Howell told CBC News on Wednesday.

"What we're dealing with here is an aircraft that's been known to be there for a while, but people who have salvaged it were doing it basically as a … working holiday, just trying to raise this wreck and perhaps restore it."

Yukon heritage not for export, official says
Officials with the Yukon's Department of Tourism and Culture, however, say the Alberta couple had no right to go treasure hunting for the bomber plane, and it's not theirs to keep.

"These assets are part of the Yukon's heritage and we manage them under the Historic Resources Act," said Jeff Hunston, the department's manager of heritage resources.

"Our heritage is not for acquisition and export outside of the Yukon without proper authorization, and these individuals do not have any permits or authorities from the Yukon government to undertake this sort of activity."

Hunston said the territorial government does not want any more of the aircraft recovered. The department is sending officials to Watson Lake to meet with the couple, he added.

National Defence to check out old bombs
RCMP are trying to keep people away from the vintage bombs, which were found last week near the Watson Lake airport. (Submitted by Cpl. Tom Howell)Federal defence officials are also going to Watson Lake this week to address safety concerns with the 60-year-old bombs, which were found late last week near the local airport.

Howell said the bombs appear to weigh about 227 kilograms (500 pounds).

Mark Ritchie, the Yukon's superintendent for community airports, said it's no secret that Allied forces used the Watson Lake area as a practice field during the Second World War. Finding the bombs is a bit unusual, however, he added.

"We're currently working with the Department of National Defence to come up and investigate it," he said.

Howell said RCMP and airport authorities are expected to secure the area in the meantime.

"From our perspective, we're treating it as all live ordinance and keeping the public away — although, from what I understand, some of the public has snuck into the area having their pictures taken with these bombs," he said.

The Defence Department will decide what will happen next with the vintage bombs, Howell said.

http://www.cbc.ca/canada/north/story/2009/06/04/watson-war-artifacts.html

 
Interesting article..

I wonder if the Yukon actually has any sort of claim on US government property, even abandoned equipment.

Now the CBC web site is calling it a B-25, and there is a small photo of the front fusilage
with the article.

http://www.cbc.ca/gfx/images/news/photos/2009/06/04/north-watson-plane090604.jpg

Recovered WW II B-25 bomber, bombs cause stir in Watson Lake
Last Updated: Thursday, June 4, 2009  1:33 PM CT

Second World War artifacts, including a pile of vintage 500-pound bombs and the nose section of an American B-25 bomber, have surfaced in Watson Lake, causing a small turf war between the Yukon government and the Alberta couple that salvaged the plane wreckage.........

Now, I'm no plane nut, but that fusilage looks very round to me, and the B-25 had a very square body.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:B-25_Mitchell_-_Panchito.jpg

I'm going to call them wrong, and say that is the front end of a Martin B-26 Marauder.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/b8/B_26.jpg

Note the shape of the missing cockpit glass and the small rectangular window infront of the wing. It matches what came from the lake.






 
USAF USAAF
ELMENDORF FIELD, ALASKA - ACCIDENT LISTING
http://www.accident-report.com/world/namerica/slist/elmendorf.html

Date          PILOT                        MODEL        SERIAL #    LOCATION
42-01-16  STEPHENS, GORDON S  B-26  40-1453  WATSON LAKE, YUKON, CANADA
42-01-16 DOOLITTLE, GLENN A B-26         40-1501 WATSON LAKE, YUKON, CANADA
42-01-16 AVERY, EDWARD S B-26         40-1459 WATSON LAKE, YUKON, CANADA
42-01-16 DANCER, W J         B-26         40-1464 WATSON LAKE, YUKON, CANADA
43-02-21  MCCLURE, FRANK L  P-39  42-4802  WATSON LAKE, YUKON, CANADA
43-06-21  TODD, HAROLD G          L-2B          43-56        WATSON LAKE, YUKON, CANADA 
(Unit: 476th Air Base Detachment, Watson Lake, Y.T.)
43-10-27  KENT, WALTER T          P-39Q        44-2031    WATSON LAKE, YUKON, CANADA


Note that B-26 40-1464 was salvaged in 1971 and is still flying:
http://www.323bg454bs.org/Assets/40-1464/






 
I would concur, very few if any B-25's were sent lend-lease. Most were B-26's. In fact one of the few flying ones was built out of the remains of 3 that crashed up there into what became to be known as the "million dollar valley"
 
old medic said:
Interesting article..

I wonder if the Yukon actually has any sort of claim on US government property, even abandoned equipment.

Now the CBC web site is calling it a B-25, and there is a small photo of the front fusilage
with the article.

http://www.cbc.ca/gfx/images/news/photos/2009/06/04/north-watson-plane090604.jpg

Now, I'm no plane nut, but that fusilage looks very round to me, and the B-25 had a very square body.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:B-25_Mitchell_-_Panchito.jpg

I'm going to call them wrong, and say that is the front end of a Martin B-26 Marauder.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/b8/B_26.jpg

Note the shape of the missing cockpit glass and the small rectangular window infront of the wing. It matches what came from the lake.
In regard to the Yukon government having a claim on the aircraft:
About 10 years ago there was a dispute over ownership/salvage rights between the Newfoundland government and a would be salvager of a US B-?? that was on the bottom of a lake in Labrador.
I don't recall all of the details but the case went to court and an agreement or judgment was made to allow salvage.
It had something to do with the province having jurisdiction over historical artifacts.
The party who wanted to carry out the salvage of the aircraft was able to retrieve the aircraft and it's being restored.
I'll see if I can find the details but it may take some time.
 
http://www.cbc.ca/canada/story/2003/06/24/nfld_salvage030624.html

http://nwrain.net/~newtsuit/b17labrador/lostbomber.html

Actually, it didn't take more than a few minutes.

Beenthere could actually have been there had not Don Brooks gotten approval before the guy that I was working for.
Another bomber freak wanted the wreckage and we were working on a salvage plan. Brooks got to the courts first and he got the rights.
 
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