UPDATE ON PAY ADJUSTMENTS - CANFORGEN 155

[Scoobie Newbie]

Well you've dashed any hope I had.  At least its retroactive to last April.  Money in the bank.

 

[Scoobie Newbie]

BUMP

 

[Wizard of OZ]

It is amazying how fast rumours fly when it comes down to the dirty dollar.

 

[Scoobie Newbie]

just like highschool

 

[Fishbone Jones]

Until someone has the actual CANFORGEN and posts it, stop speculating

 

[Fishbone Jones]

Here you go:

And a tip of the hat to CdnArtyWife ;D

REF: CANFORGEN 155/04 ADM(HR-MIL) 083 171309Z DEC 04
> 1. THE MINISTER OF NATIONAL DEFENCE IS PLEASED TO ANNOUNCE THE
> FOLLOWING INCREASES TO PAY AND ENVIRONMENTAL ALLOWANCES
> 2. CF NON-COMMISSIONED MEMBERS
> A. EFFECTIVE 1 APR 04
> (1) AN ECONOMIC ADJUSTMENT OF 2.25 PERCENT AND
> (2) AN ADJUSTMENT OF 4.25 PERCENT TO RESTORE COMPARABILITY WITH THE
> PUBLIC SERVICE (PS)
> (3) EXAMPLES OF AMT OF BACK PAY BEFORE DEDUCTIONS.   CPL STD IPC4
> WILL RECEIVE BACK PAY OF APPROX 3120 DOLLARS WHEREAS CWO IPC4 WILL
> RECEIVE APPROX 4824 DOLLARS
> B. EFFECTIVE 1 APR 05 AN ECONOMIC ADJUSTMENT OF 2.4 PERCENT
> 3. CF GENERAL SERVICE OFFICERS (GSO)/PILOTS (LCOL AND BELOW) AND
> MEDICAL AND DENTAL OFFICERS (LT AND 2LT) WILL RECEIVE
> A. EFFECTIVE 1 APR 04
> (1) AN ECONOMIC ADJUSTMENT OF 2.25 PERCENT AND
> (2) AN ADJUSTMENT OF 1.03 PERCENT TO RESTORE COMPARABILITY WITH THE
> PS
> (3) EXAMPLES OF BACKPAY BEFORE DEDUCTIONS.   2LT WILL RECEIVE FROM
> 1128 DOLLARS TO 2088 DOLLARS, CAPT GSO IPC10 2604 DOLLARS AND LCOL
> GSO IPC4 3288 DOLLARS
> B.   EFFECTIVE 1 APR 05
> (1) AN ECONOMIC ADJUSTMENT OF 2.4 PERCENT AND
> (2) THERE ARE STILL A LARGE NUMBER OF LAPSED AGREEMENTS FOR PS
> GROUPS.   SHOULD THE SETTLEMENT RATES FOR LAPSED AGREEMENTS FOR THE
> BENCHMARKED PUBLIC SERVICE GROUPS EVENTUALLY PROVE TO BE HIGHER THAN
> THE PAY ADJUSTMENTS AWARDED TO AFFECTED OFFICERS FOR FISCAL YEARS
> 2003/2004, 2004/2005 AND 2005/2006, TB APPROVAL WILL BE SOUGHT TO
> AUTHORIZE LUMP SUMS OF PAY IN THE AMOUNT OF THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN
> THE ECONOMIC INCREASE APPROVED FOR GSOS FOR FY 2005/2006 AND THE
> AMOUNT OF THE PAY ADJUSTMENT THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN APPROVED FOR FY
> 2005/2006 HAD THE PUBLIC SERVICE COLLECTIVE BARGAINING PROCESS BEEN
> SUBSTANTIALLY COMPLETED
> 4. ENVIRONMENTAL AND SPECIAL ALLOWANCES WILL BE ADJUSTED AS FOLLOWS
> (A) EFF 1 APR 04 5.68 PERCENT AND
> (B) EFF 1 APR 05 2.4 PERCENT
> 5. THE ABOVE INCREASES SHOULD BE REFLECTED IN THE END MAR 05 PAY FOR
> MOST CF MEMBERS
> 6. THE REVISED RATES ARE AVAILABLE ON THE DGCB INTERNET SITE AT
> <HTTP://WWW.DND.CA/HR/DPPD//> AND INTRANET
> <HTTP://HR.DWAN.DND.CA/DGCB/DPPD//>
> END OF ENGLISH TEXT / LE TEXT FRANCAIS SUIT
> SUJET: AF 04/05 ET 05/06 AUGMENTATIONS DE LA REMUNERATION FC
> REF : CANFORGEN 155/04 ADM (HR-MIL) 083 171309Z DEC 04
> 1. LE MINISTRE DE LA DEFENSE A LE PLAISIR D ANNONCER LES
> AUGMENTATIONS DE SOLDE ET D INDEMNITES ENVIRONMENTALES SUIVANTES
> POUR LES FC
> 2. LES MILITAIRES DU RANG (MR)
> A. EFFECTIF 1 AVR 04
> (1) UN RAJUSTEMENT ECONOMIQUE DE 2.25 POURCENT ET
> (2) UN AJUSTEMENT DE 4.25 POURCENT AFIN DE RETABLIR LA COMPARABILITE
> DE LA SOLDE AVEC LA FONCTION PUBLIQUE FEDERALE (FPF)
> (3) EXEMPLES DE RETROACTIVITE AVANT DEDUCTIONS: CPL STANDARD CPR 4
> RECEVRONT APPROX 3120 DOLLARS, ADJUC CPR 4 RECEVRONT APPROX 4824
> DOLLARS
> B. EFFECTIF 1 AVR 05, UN RAJUSTEMENT ECONOMIQUE DE 2.4 POURCENT
> 3. LES OFFICIERS DU SERVICE GENERAL (OSG)/PILOTES (LCOL ET EN
> DESSOUS) ET LES MEDECINS ET DENTISTES (SLT ET LT) DES FC RECEVRONT
> A. EFFECTIF 1 AVR 04
> (1) UN RAJUSTEMENT ECONOMIQUE DE 2.25 POURCENT ET
> (2) UN AJUSTEMENT DE 1.03 POURCENT AFIN DE RETABLIR LA COMPARABILITE
> DE LA SOLDE AVEC LA FPF
> (3) EXEMPLES DE RETROACTIVITE AVANT DEDUCTIONS: 2LT RECEVRONT DE
> 1128 DOLLARS A 2088 DOLLARS, CAPT OSG CPR 10 2604 DOLLARS ET LCOL
> OSG CPR 4 3288 DOLLARS
> B. EFFECTIF 1 AVR 05
> (1) UN RAJUSTEMENT ECONOMIQUE DE 2.4 POURCENT ET
> (2) IL EXISTE UN GRAND NOMBRE DE CONVENTIONS COLLECTIVES QUI NE SONT
> PAS RATIFIEES.   SI LES TAUX DE REGLEMENTS DES CONVENTIONS
> COLLECTIVES PERIMEES POUR LES GROUPES REPERES DE LA FPF S AVERENT
> ETRE PLUS ELEVES QUE LES AJUSTEMENTS DE SOLDE ACCORDES AUX OFFICIERS
> AFFECTES POUR LES ANNEES FINANCIERES 2003-2004, 2004-2005 ET
> 2005-2006, UNE APPROBATION DU CONSEIL DU TRESOR SERA DEMANDEE POUR
> AUTORISER UN MONTANT FORFAITAIRE COUVRANT LA DIFFERENCE ENTRE L
> AUGMENTATION ECONOMIQUE APPROUVEE POUR LES OSG POUR L ANNEE
> FINANCIERE 2005-2006 ET L AJUSTEMENT DE SOLDE QUI AURAIT ETE
> APPROUVEE POUR L ANNEE FINANCIERE 2005-2006 SI LE PROCESSUS DE
> NEGOTIATION COLLECTIVE DE LA FONCTION PUBLIQUE AVAIT ETE COMPLETE
> 4. LES INDEMNITES ENVIRONMENTALES ET SPECIALES SERONT AUGMENTEES DE
> LA FACON SUIVANTE
> A. EFFECTIF 1 AVR 04, 5.68 POURCENT ET
> B. EFFECTIF 1 AVR 05, 2.4 POURCENT
> 5. LA PLUPART DES MIL DES FC RECEVRONT CES AUGMENTATIONS AVEC LA
> SOLDE DE LA FIN MARS 05
> 6. LES TAUX DE SOLDE REVISES SERONT PUBLIES PAR VOIE DU SITE
> INTERNET DGRAS A <HTTP://WWW.DND.CA/HR/DPPD//> ET INTRANET A
> <HTTP://HR.DWAN.DND.CA/DGCB/DPPD//>.
>

 

[Inch]

http://army.ca/forums/threads/26613/post-167268.html#msg167268

Beat ya by about 6 hours.  ;D

 

[Spr.Earl]

Heres the latest CANFORGEN about our pay raise.
I imagine we will have to wait a month or two for our back pay.

FROM: NDHQ CDS OTTAWA
DTG: R 151335Z FEB 05
SUBJ: FY 04/05 AND 05/06 PAY INCREASES
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TO CANFORGEN
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UNCLAS CANFORGEN 033/05 CDS 010
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BILINGUAL MESSAGE/MESSAGE BILINGUE
SUBJ: FY 04/05 AND 05/06 PAY INCREASES
REF: CANFORGEN 155/04 ADM(HR-MIL) 083 171309Z DEC 04
1. THE MINISTER OF NATIONAL DEFENCE IS PLEASED TO ANNOUNCE THE
FOLLOWING INCREASES TO PAY AND ENVIRONMENTAL ALLOWANCES
2. CF NON-COMMISSIONED MEMBERS
A. EFFECTIVE 1 APR 04
(1) AN ECONOMIC ADJUSTMENT OF 2.25 PERCENT AND
(2) AN ADJUSTMENT OF 4.25 PERCENT TO RESTORE COMPARABILITY WITH THE
PUBLIC SERVICE (PS)
(3) EXAMPLES OF AMT OF BACK PAY BEFORE DEDUCTIONS.  CPL STD IPC4
WILL RECEIVE BACK PAY OF APPROX 3120 DOLLARS WHEREAS CWO IPC4 WILL
RECEIVE APPROX 4824 DOLLARS
B. EFFECTIVE 1 APR 05 AN ECONOMIC ADJUSTMENT OF 2.4 PERCENT
PAGE 2 RCCLHAV6011 UNCLAS
3. CF GENERAL SERVICE OFFICERS (GSO)/PILOTS (LCOL AND BELOW) AND
MEDICAL AND DENTAL OFFICERS (LT AND 2LT) WILL RECEIVE
A. EFFECTIVE 1 APR 04
(1) AN ECONOMIC ADJUSTMENT OF 2.25 PERCENT AND
(2) AN ADJUSTMENT OF 1.03 PERCENT TO RESTORE COMPARABILITY WITH THE
PS
(3) EXAMPLES OF BACKPAY BEFORE DEDUCTIONS.  2LT WILL RECEIVE FROM
1128 DOLLARS TO 2088 DOLLARS, CAPT GSO IPC10 2604 DOLLARS AND LCOL
GSO IPC4 3288 DOLLARS
B.  EFFECTIVE 1 APR 05
(1) AN ECONOMIC ADJUSTMENT OF 2.4 PERCENT AND
(2) THERE ARE STILL A LARGE NUMBER OF LAPSED AGREEMENTS FOR PS
GROUPS.  SHOULD THE SETTLEMENT RATES FOR LAPSED AGREEMENTS FOR THE
BENCHMARKED PUBLIC SERVICE GROUPS EVENTUALLY PROVE TO BE HIGHER THAN
THE PAY ADJUSTMENTS AWARDED TO AFFECTED OFFICERS FOR FISCAL YEARS
2003/2004, 2004/2005 AND 2005/2006, TB APPROVAL WILL BE SOUGHT TO
AUTHORIZE LUMP SUMS OF PAY IN THE AMOUNT OF THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN
THE ECONOMIC INCREASE APPROVED FOR GSOS FOR FY 2005/2006 AND THE
AMOUNT OF THE PAY ADJUSTMENT THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN APPROVED FOR FY
2005/2006 HAD THE PUBLIC SERVICE COLLECTIVE BARGAINING PROCESS BEEN
PAGE 3 RCCLHAV6011 UNCLAS
SUBSTANTIALLY COMPLETED
4. ENVIRONMENTAL AND SPECIAL ALLOWANCES WILL BE ADJUSTED AS FOLLOWS
(A) EFF 1 APR 04 5.68 PERCENT AND
(B) EFF 1 APR 05 2.4 PERCENT
5. THE ABOVE INCREASES SHOULD BE REFLECTED IN THE END MAR 05 PAY FOR
MOST CF MEMBERS
6. THE REVISED RATES ARE AVAILABLE ON THE DGCB INTERNET SITE AT
HTTP://WWW.DND.CA/HR/DPPD// AND INTRANET
HTTP://HR.DWAN.DND.CA/DGCB/DPPD//
END OF ENGLISH TEXT / LE TEXT FRANCAIS SUIT
SUJET: AF 04/05 ET 05/06 AUGMENTATIONS DE LA REMUNERATION FC
REF : CANFORGEN 155/04 ADM (HR-MIL) 083 171309Z DEC 04
1. LE MINISTRE DE LA DEFENSE A LE PLAISIR D ANNONCER LES
AUGMENTATIONS DE SOLDE ET D INDEMNITES ENVIRONMENTALES SUIVANTES
POUR LES FC
2. LES MILITAIRES DU RANG (MR)
A. EFFECTIF 1 AVR 04
(1) UN RAJUSTEMENT ECONOMIQUE DE 2.25 POURCENT ET
(2) UN AJUSTEMENT DE 4.25 POURCENT AFIN DE RETABLIR LA COMPARABILITE
DE LA SOLDE AVEC LA FONCTION PUBLIQUE FEDERALE (FPF)
PAGE 4 RCCLHAV6011 UNCLAS
(3) EXEMPLES DE RETROACTIVITE AVANT DEDUCTIONS: CPL STANDARD CPR 4
RECEVRONT APPROX 3120 DOLLARS, ADJUC CPR 4 RECEVRONT APPROX 4824
DOLLARS
B. EFFECTIF 1 AVR 05, UN RAJUSTEMENT ECONOMIQUE DE 2.4 POURCENT
3. LES OFFICIERS DU SERVICE GENERAL (OSG)/PILOTES (LCOL ET EN
DESSOUS) ET LES MEDECINS ET DENTISTES (SLT ET LT) DES FC RECEVRONT
A. EFFECTIF 1 AVR 04
(1) UN RAJUSTEMENT ECONOMIQUE DE 2.25 POURCENT ET
(2) UN AJUSTEMENT DE 1.03 POURCENT AFIN DE RETABLIR LA COMPARABILITE
DE LA SOLDE AVEC LA FPF
(3) EXEMPLES DE RETROACTIVITE AVANT DEDUCTIONS: 2LT RECEVRONT DE
1128 DOLLARS A 2088 DOLLARS, CAPT OSG CPR 10 2604 DOLLARS ET LCOL
OSG CPR 4 3288 DOLLARS
B. EFFECTIF 1 AVR 05
(1) UN RAJUSTEMENT ECONOMIQUE DE 2.4 POURCENT ET
(2) IL EXISTE UN GRAND NOMBRE DE CONVENTIONS COLLECTIVES QUI NE SONT
PAS RATIFIEES.  SI LES TAUX DE REGLEMENTS DES CONVENTIONS
COLLECTIVES PERIMEES POUR LES GROUPES REPERES DE LA FPF S AVERENT
ETRE PLUS ELEVES QUE LES AJUSTEMENTS DE SOLDE ACCORDES AUX OFFICIERS
AFFECTES POUR LES ANNEES FINANCIERES 2003-2004, 2004-2005 ET
PAGE 5 RCCLHAV6011 UNCLAS
2005-2006, UNE APPROBATION DU CONSEIL DU TRESOR SERA DEMANDEE POUR
AUTORISER UN MONTANT FORFAITAIRE COUVRANT LA DIFFERENCE ENTRE L
AUGMENTATION ECONOMIQUE APPROUVEE POUR LES OSG POUR L ANNEE
FINANCIERE 2005-2006 ET L AJUSTEMENT DE SOLDE QUI AURAIT ETE
APPROUVEE POUR L ANNEE FINANCIERE 2005-2006 SI LE PROCESSUS DE
NEGOTIATION COLLECTIVE DE LA FONCTION PUBLIQUE AVAIT ETE COMPLETE
4. LES INDEMNITES ENVIRONMENTALES ET SPECIALES SERONT AUGMENTEES DE
LA FACON SUIVANTE
A. EFFECTIF 1 AVR 04, 5.68 POURCENT ET
B. EFFECTIF 1 AVR 05, 2.4 POURCENT
5. LA PLUPART DES MIL DES FC RECEVRONT CES AUGMENTATIONS AVEC LA
SOLDE DE LA FIN MARS 05
6. LES TAUX DE SOLDE REVISES SERONT PUBLIES PAR VOIE DU SITE
INTERNET DGRAS A HTTP://WWW.DND.CA/HR/DPPD// ET INTRANET A
HTTP://HR.DWAN.DND.CA/DGCB/DPPD//.
BT
#6011
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[Scoobie Newbie]

As seen here:
http://army.ca/forums/threads/26613.60.html

 

[Franko]

Well it's about bloody time  :

Regards

 

[Fishbone Jones]

Hey, thought I deleted this! Oh well, I'll leave it and lock it.

 

[Robert Bickle]

What will be the base pay for a private when the 6.5 increase takes place ?

 

[Cliffy433]

No such thing as a 6.5% raise.  4.25% equalization backdated to 1 Apr 04, 2.25% raise backdated to 1 Apr 04, and a further raise of 2.4%.  Making the raise only 4.65% as I understand it.  So, find a pay table and add 4.65% to your current rank and IPC.

tlm.
+

 

[Inch]

No such thing as a 6.5% raise.   4.25% equalization backdated to 1 Apr 04, 2.25% raise backdated to 1 Apr 04, and a further raise of 2.4%.   Making the raise only 4.65% as I understand it.   So, find a pay table and add 4.65% to your current rank and IPC.

tlm.
+

I think there's something wrong with your math, 4.25% + 2.25% = 6.5% plus the 2.4% that we all get effective 1 Apr 05 and NCMs will see a total raise of 8.9%

As for the answer to the original question, I'd suggest searching, but I'll just give you the link.

http://army.ca/forums/threads/26613/post-167358.html#msg167358

 

[bobbyhill]

Technically speaking, our pay will not be going up 8.9% as of April 1st.  True, we're getting a retroactive increase of 6.5%, AND THEN a raise of 2.4% which will be on top of the pay rate after the 6.5% increase. So, as the math goes:

1 x 1.065 = 1.065 (differece after retro increase)

1.065 x 1.024 = 1.09056

So, we're getting 9.056 percent raise.

 

[DAA]

Official pay rates for both Officers and NCMs have been updated on the Internet.

http://www.forces.gc.ca/dgcb/dppd/engraph/home_e.asp?sidesection=3

Enjoy your new found wealth. 

 

[big bad john]

I suggest that you look at the "Army Administration" section, there is a thread already going there.