US carrier "sunk" by French SSN in wargames

[Robert0288]

Interesting enough, I came across this today

US supercarrier ‘sunk’ by French submarine in wargames
http://www.news.com.au/world/us-supercarrier-sunk-by-french-submarine-in-wargames/story-fndir2ev-1227250666936

WITH a good submarine, a navy can do amazing things. Ask the French. They’ve just managed to “sink” a nuclear-powered US super carrier — and half its battle group.

The French Ministry of Defence has revealed one of its attack submarines pulled of an astounding upset during recent war-games in the North Atlantic.

The Aviationist blog spotted an article on the French defence force’s website — quickly withdrawn — which told how one of their submarines, the “Saphir” tackled the might of the United States’ navy off the coast of Florida.........

Another article here: http://theaviationist.com/2015/03/05/us-aircraft-carrier-sunk-by-subs/

 

[Oldgateboatdriver]

Move along! Nothing to see here.

The Canadian "O" Boats have pulled that feat many times, mostly just off Norfolk, in war-games during the 70's, 80's and 90's.

I one of them, the referees even had to find a technicality to disqualify the "kill" otherwise the whole exercise, that only had on aircraft carrier in play, would have been over before it even began.

 

[CougarKing]

Didn't the Swedes do something similar recently with their subs?

News.com.au

US supercarrier ‘sunk’ by French submarine in wargames

WITH a good submarine, a navy can do amazing things. Ask the French. They’ve just managed to “sink” a nuclear-powered US super carrier — and half its battle group.

The French Ministry of Defence has revealed one of its attack submarines pulled of an astounding upset during recent war-games in the North Atlantic.

The Aviationist blog spotted an article on the French defence force’s website — quickly withdrawn — which told how one of their submarines, the “Saphir” tackled the might of the United States’ navy off the coast of Florida.

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[Scoobie Newbie]

I wonder if anyone was fired over this?

 

[midget-boyd91]

Perhaps the French had some 'inspiration' in how to dominate a sub surface wargame....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u_Mx1kA3irk

 

[dangerboy]

I wonder if anyone was fired over this?

Why should anyone get fired? It is an exercise and the purpose of exercises is to learn from mistakes, if there even was a mistake, sometimes the enemy just get lucky.

 

[Scoobie Newbie]

Why should anyone get fired? It is an exercise and the purpose of exercises is to learn from mistakes, if there even was a mistake, sometimes the enemy just get lucky.

You don't remember officers getting fired in the USA when we embarrassed them as OPFOR?

 

[Colin Parkinson]

Don't want people to learn from mistake do they. Having the French do this and teach how they did it may hopefully save thousands of lives one day. I also wonder if the USN has wargamed how they intend to rescue 2-3,000 sailors and get them away from the combat zone.

 

[Spencer100]

Good point. Really did not think about the sailors in the water.  If it was a couple ships upwards of 3000 pers.  Plus radiation?

That alone maybe a case for the "smaller" carriers some have talked about.  IE America Class or Mistral.  (I know the America is still very large) 

 

[cupper]

Brings up the old question, If the French sink a Carrier in the middle of the ocean and no one is there to see it, did it really happen?

 

[Fishbone Jones]

Good point. Really did not think about the sailors in the water.  If it was a couple ships upwards of 3000 5000 pers.  Plus radiation?

That alone maybe a case for the "smaller" carriers some have talked about.  IE America Class or Mistral.  (I know the America is still very large)

IIRC, Carriers have not been manned by <5000 men (persons) since the Kennedy class.

 

[Scoobie Newbie]

Slight correction. The new Gerold Ford class will have less then 5000 pers.

 

[Oldgateboatdriver]

IIRC, Carriers have not been manned by <5000 men (persons) since the Kennedy class.

True enough, but if you sink a carrier with torpedoes, I wouldn't hold much hope of escape for the 2 to 3 thousand sailors trapped below number 3 deck.

 

[Oldgateboatdriver]

Brings up the old question, If the French sink a Carrier in the middle of the ocean and no one is there to see it, did it really happen?

Doesn't matter if you see it or not: If you wipe an American carrier from the face of the earth, you know it. The deafening electronic silence that suddenly takes place is sign enough. Besides, you have about half a dozen escort ships to witness it wherever they are anyway: They don't travel light .

 

[Jarnhamar]

True enough, but if you sink a carrier with torpedoes, I wouldn't hold much hope of escape for the 2 to 3 thousand sailors trapped below number 3 deck.

I would swim out the torpedo hole  ;D

 

[jollyjacktar]

True enough, but if you sink a carrier with torpedoes, I wouldn't hold much hope of escape for the 2 to 3 thousand sailors trapped below number 3 deck.

Just the thought of what a modern torpedo does to a ship makes me break out in a sweat.  I would hope that my end would be quick.

 

[Colin Parkinson]

I picked the number I did as I expect close to a 1,000 causalities before it sinks and likely 500-1,000 fire fighting and damage control plus trying to run any remaining power plants.

 

[cupper]

Just the thought of what a modern torpedo does to a ship makes me break out in a sweat.  I would hope that my end would be quick.

Torpedoes don't actually make a hole in the side of the ship anyway do they? I was lead to believe that they are designed to explode underneath the keel, creating a void and / or pressure bubble that essentially causes the keel to fail and the ship break in half.

Although if you think about it, it would still a huge means of egress. And your inside cabin just got upgraded to a balcony.

 

[OldSolduer]

Torpedoes don't actually leave holes anyway do they? I was lead to believe that they are designed to explode underneath the keel, creating a void and / or pressure bubble that essentially causes the keel to fail and the ship break in half.

You read Tom Clancy books too? That's what I understand as well.

 

[cupper]

You read Tom Clancy books too? That's what I understand as well.

That and Youtube.