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Does the PM even have to be elected?
Our Cabinet choices are constrained unlike the US so I dont see the comparison other than as an academic exercise. We chose to elect the drama teacher
US Presidential Election 2024 - Trump vs Harris - Vote Hard with a Vengence
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Our Cabinet choices are constrained unlike the US so I dont see the comparison other than as an academic exercise. We chose to elect the drama teacher
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So what takes precedence? Being an SME, being loyal to the Constitution, or doing their duty for the C-in-C? One can be loyal to the Constitution and not the C-in-C, such as in the case of unlawful orders.
Because as I have mentioned before, US military officers swear the oath to the Constitution, not to the C-in-C. I would assume that the federal public servants do something similar.
@KevinB may be able to clarify.
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"Sure. We'll have Fascism here. But, it will come as an anti-Fascist movement."
"When Fascism comes to America it will be on a program of Americanism."
U. S. Senator Huey Long ( LA )
( Incidentally, Long and RFK are the only two U.S. senators to be assasinated. )
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I, _____, do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; and that I will obey the orders of the President of the United States and the orders of the officers appointed over me, according to regulations and the Uniform Code of Military Justice. So help me God.
Constitution first, President (as CinC) second, then superior officers.
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The LEO OOS is similar.
I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I take this obligation freely, without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; and that I will well and faithfully discharge the duties of the Office I am about to enter. So help me God.
*same for elected officials (except President) and public service employees.
Presidential Oath of Office
I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will faithfully execute the Office of President of the United States, and will to the best of my Ability, preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States.
I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I take this obligation freely, without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; and that I will well and faithfully discharge the duties of the Office I am about to enter. So help me God.
*same for elected officials (except President) and public service employees.
Presidential Oath of Office
I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will faithfully execute the Office of President of the United States, and will to the best of my Ability, preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States.
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To reattack:
I would suggest that the CJCS is an SME of sorts, loyal to the Constitution first. Or, if the “fire anyone in Milley’s orbit” is to be trusted, that is a whole whack of SMEs loyal to the constitution.
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The Cat has been chucked amongst the Pigeons...
Hegseth, advocate for firing 'woke' military leaders, picked for defense secretary
- Hegseth has expressed disdain for 'woke' policies in Pentagon
- Hegseth could clash with Joint Chiefs Chairman Brown
- Hegseth has opposed roles for women in combat roles
U.S. President-elect Donald Trump has picked as his secretary of defense Pete Hegseth, a Fox News commentator and veteran who has expressed disdain for so-called "woke" policies of Pentagon leaders, opposed women in combat roles, and questioned whether the top American general was in his position because of his skin color.
If confirmed by the U.S. Senate, Hegseth could make good on Trump's campaign promises to rid the U.S. military of generals who he accuses of pursuing progressive policies on diversity in the ranks that conservatives have rallied against.
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Remember - Trump called Milley “woke”.The Cat has been chucked amongst the Pigeons...
Hegseth, advocate for firing 'woke' military leaders, picked for defense secretary
- Hegseth has expressed disdain for 'woke' policies in Pentagon
- Hegseth could clash with Joint Chiefs Chairman Brown
- Hegseth has opposed roles for women in combat roles
U.S. President-elect Donald Trump has picked as his secretary of defense Pete Hegseth, a Fox News commentator and veteran who has expressed disdain for so-called "woke" policies of Pentagon leaders, opposed women in combat roles, and questioned whether the top American general was in his position because of his skin color.
If confirmed by the U.S. Senate, Hegseth could make good on Trump's campaign promises to rid the U.S. military of generals who he accuses of pursuing progressive policies on diversity in the ranks that conservatives have rallied against.
Maxman1
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Abbott and Bowell were both Senators.
daftandbarmy
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There are many things I disliked about the former CJCS Gen Milley, but to call him woke was a little ridiculous.
The CJCS is the President’s Military Advisor, they have no real command role in DoD.
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And in both cases there is the presumption of free will. Opinions matter and adjudication is required. The judge might not agree with the opinion.
The constitutional requirement to be the PM is that your government can retain the confidence of the house. There is no explicit requirement for the PM to be an MP.
Mackenzie King lost his seat in the 1945 general election, but remained PM. Eventually one of his backbenchers was encouraged to resign and Mackenzie King won the resulting byelection, getting him back into the house.
Cabinet ministers are also not required to sit in the Commons, but there is a convention that they should. Our late WW2 Minister of Defence (McNaughton) never sat as an MP - he lost two consecutive elections.
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