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Not holding back:
US Presidential Election 2024 - Trump vs Harris - Vote Hard with a Vengence
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I saw a comment earlier that Walz is the first person on a Democrat presidential ticket to have not gone to law school since Jimmy Carter. Interesting if inconsequential tidbit. Very clearly the Dems are pushing him as an ‘everyman’.
Personally I’d rather slam my junk in a car door than wear something with any politician’s name on it, but to each their own I guess.
Agreed. I think it’s more of a US thing. They are clearly trying to appeal to a wider audience.
QV
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So much praise! Looks like some folks are getting only the new DNC sponsored push on Waltz. Broaden your horizon and read about his record during the mostly peaceful riots. Regarding these new DNC methods of targeting blue collar, what is it they say about imitation? Ultimately this comes down to Trumps past term achievements vs ObamaBidenHarris v3.0.
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I doubt there will be a VP candidate's debate unless there is also at least one presidential candidate's debate. And Trump is unlikely to concede all the home field advantages again, and the Harris campaign isn't in a hurry to put their candidate up for unscripted remarks and Q&A.
It doesn’t seem to have hurt his favourability in his home state.
But he’s virtually unknown elsewhere. So people’s opinions haven’t yet formed I would think. But I bet he ranks better than Vance who has the lowest favourability of any VP pick in decades.
The Trump campaign have struggled to shape this new reality so we’ll see how they do in the weeks to come in dealing with Walz now on the ticket.
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Not really. Why would I summarize it when you've already dismissed it out of hand? Nothing about it left to discuss.
Vance said he was ready once they were confirmed. They have been now so we’ll see if he lives up to that.
Right now the Trump side seems to be the ones avoiding debates. But I’m sure it will happen though.
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The last real debate as far as I'm concerned was back when the Old League of American Women Voters ran them .
The political operators around both Bush and Clinton with the connivance of the TV networks. The operators felt they had to "dumb things down so their Bosses could shine . And the TV networks felt the debates needed to be ' punchier '
I suspected that most of those political operators now wish they left well enough alone.
The political operators around both Bush and Clinton with the connivance of the TV networks. The operators felt they had to "dumb things down so their Bosses could shine . And the TV networks felt the debates needed to be ' punchier '
I suspected that most of those political operators now wish they left well enough alone.
Well, if there’s any meat on the bones, someone who ll write about it.Not really. Why would I summarize it when you've already dismissed it out of hand? Nothing about it left to discuss.
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Well I’m dismissing it right now unless another source that’s less biased also picks it up.Not really. Why would I summarize it when you've already dismissed it out of hand? Nothing about it left to discuss.
So there’s that.
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If the differentiation is "completed law school/was a lawyer" or "was enrolled in a law school/quit to run for Congress" then it's Al Gore. So, at least, we can't blame the internet on a lawyer.
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For the record, based on a quick Google-fu, here's what's out there about Walz's leaving the Guard.
2 x Sgts Major (one of whom replaced Walz): guy left after a wng order of some kind to head overseas (they say he chickened out, Walz says he left to start his political career)
www.wctrib.com
@StolenValor1 Twitter feed: here's his docs, MN NG says he's entitled to say he served as a Command SgtMaj because that was his rank when he left, and that he retired honourably
Various pro-military outlets' takes ...
www.stripes.com
www.military.com
taskandpurpose.com
... and some editorial takes in MSM
www.newsweek.com
MN NG seems to be sharing docs with media, but I haven't found any indication of the original accusers sharing any documentation behind their claims - happy to be corrected via any links that can be shared here.
I haven't seen any documentation Walz filled out re: when he says he asked to leave vs. when he did end up leaving. There's gotta be some process, but I don't know how long that would have taken. There's also documentation out there confirming his drop in rank for his retirement pay.
As one old-timey columnist used to say, I hope this helps muddify the fuzzification
2 x Sgts Major (one of whom replaced Walz): guy left after a wng order of some kind to head overseas (they say he chickened out, Walz says he left to start his political career)
Paid letter: The Truth About Tim Walz
Tim Walz has embellished and selectively omitted facts and circumstances of his military career for years.
www.wctrib.com
Various pro-military outlets' takes ...
Walz credits National Guard service with sharpening leadership skills he hopes to use as vice president
Minnesota Gov. Tim Walz has long credited his Army National Guard service with developing his leadership capabilities, skills he hopes to take to the White House as Vice President Kamala Harris’ running mate.
Tim Walz, Who Spent Decades as an Enlisted Soldier, Brings Years of Work on Vets Issues to Dem Ticket
Tim Walz enlisted in the Army National Guard in Nebraska in 1981 and retired honorably in 2005 as the top enlisted soldier for 1st Battalion, 125th Field Artillery Regiment, in the Minnesota National Guard.
Harris picks Tim Walz, a former command sergeant major, as VP running mate
With Walz and former Marine J.D. Vance both running, the next vice president will be an enlisted veteran for the first time since 2008.
taskandpurpose.com
To Veterans Like Me, Tim Walz's Abandonment of His Unit Is Unforgivable
Here's the truth about Tim Walz: When his men needed him before what would have been his only combat deployment, he was nowhere to be found.
www.newsweek.com
MN NG seems to be sharing docs with media, but I haven't found any indication of the original accusers sharing any documentation behind their claims - happy to be corrected via any links that can be shared here.
I haven't seen any documentation Walz filled out re: when he says he asked to leave vs. when he did end up leaving. There's gotta be some process, but I don't know how long that would have taken. There's also documentation out there confirming his drop in rank for his retirement pay.
As one old-timey columnist used to say, I hope this helps muddify the fuzzification
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it appears to me that both sides are avoiding the debates unless it is under their terms. Harris side is trying to stick to the agreed terms of the Biden debate while Trump side is stating that was an agreement with Biden so if they want to stick to it then they have to put Biden up. If they want him to debate Harris then it is a new deal and here are our terms.
the debate anytime anywhere line hasn’t aged well.
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He accepted all of their terms for the last debate.
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