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Vets must pay for D-Day trip

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May. 5, 2004. 09:09 AM

Vets must pay for D-Day trip
Ottawa invites only 60 to Normandy
Ceremonies will mark 1944 invasion


GABE GONDA
STAFF REPORTER

On June 6, 1944, Keith Tozer took a deep breath, then shifted his ammunition truck into gear. He plunged it into the English Channel, up to Juno Beach and launched himself into the pivotal battle of World War II.

The bloody trail that followed D-Day is burned into his mind‘s eye forever. Tozer is 80 now and his vision is going, yet he wants a last look at the place on France‘s northern coast where he joined the fight for Europe six decades ago.

But Tozer isn‘t going to Normandy next month, and he‘s among a growing group of Canadian veterans angry at the government‘s decision to send just 60 of their number to commemorate D-Day‘s 60th anniversary.

"They sent me applications for how many tickets I wanted for the ceremonies," Tozer said yesterday from his North York home. "But they said, `Of course you have to pay your own way.‘ I said, `What? They want me to pay to go back and see the **** I went through?‘ I didn‘t think that was right."

Veterans Affairs Canada says it can‘t afford to send more than a small group on the trip, which will also include 70 support staff to ensure the "security and efficient movement of Canadians through the Canadian ceremonies," according to an e-mail from the department.

"What we‘re trying to do is provide one group that‘s representative of them all," said spokeswoman Janice Summerby.

About one-quarter of the 80,000 Canadians who participated in D-Day are still alive, according to Veterans Affairs, and Summerby said sending them all to Normandy this month would be impossible. Instead, the government charged regimental associations across the country with choosing their own representatives for Battle of Normandy events that are expected to cost $1.57 million.

For Tozer, who was badly injured during combat on the Dutch-German border, this is just the latest round in a half-century fight with the federal government over what his years of military service were worth.

The retired stationary engineer grew up in Toronto and went to Central Technical School before enlisting in the Army Service Corps, which serviced tanks and provided armoured battalions with fuel, ammunition and other supplies.

While stationed in England during the Battle of Britain, he watched during a German bombing raid as a fuel explosion burned a fellow soldier to death. After D-Day, during a Luftwaffe counter-offensive in France, Tozer rushed to the aid of a comrade who‘d been hit by shrapnel on a trip to the latrine.

"The front part of his chest was taken right off, and there was his heart beating while we were looking at him ... there was nothing you could do for him."

Tozer was recently diagnosed with post-traumatic stress disorder and spent years fighting for his pension. Like others, he says government excess in other areas makes the decision to keep so many vets at home this D-Day particularly galling.

Ernie Bovey, who served on a frigate that swept the English Channel in the months leading up to D-Day, echoed Tozer‘s sentiment.

The 79-year-old, who lives in Gananoque, Ont., cited Governor-General Adrienne Clarkson‘s recent circumpolar trip, which cost $5.3 million, as an example of the government‘s misplaced spending priorities.

He said Veterans Affairs could have sent three times as many veterans to Normandy for a fraction of the price of Clarkson‘s junket.

"Based on a tour price per person of $3,000 for 10 days, the total would be $540,000, only slightly more than 10 per cent of what it cost the government to fly the Governor-General and her VIP entourage (on its recent trip)," Bovey said.

Summerby insisted the government values men like Tozer and Bovey and expressed sympathy for all veterans who will be left on the home front come June 6.

"Hopefully, there will be events in Canada (veterans) can participate in," she said. "Or they can enjoy the overseas ceremonies on the television."

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Wow. Despicable, especially the last quote.
 
That is ******* disgusting, absolutely disgusting.

I can‘t think of anything to say other then that.
 
And the solution would be??

VAC decided to send a representative of each unit involved with the landings. The altnative I guess would be send 2 or 3 but where do you draw the line, beacuse I think everyone agrees Canada cannot afford to send them all.

As to the 70 support staff, a lot will be military and therefore no cost.

And the GG trip is a red herring. Beacuse she spent 5.3 million, there is no money left. Don‘t think so.
 
Have any of those expressing disgust on this forum about this done anything to raise money to send a veteran? I‘d contribute what little I could afford.

RCA is right, where do you draw the line? Not to sound crass, but how important is it for our Governor General (who has done a ton of good things for the Forces as Commander in Chief) to strengthen ties with other nations in the world, as opposed to helping aged veterans return to France for ... what exactly? If they want to go, they should go, and I would rather the billion we spent on the useless gun registry pay for them, but that isn‘t going to happen.

Last D-Day, there were D-Day vets across Canada watching the opening of the Juno Beach centre - ON TV. They had a huge do at Market Mall here in Calgary (and others nationwide). Three of us put on a display in WW II battledress, had my Willy‘s out, and we got to talk to, and thank, some vets. They weren‘t exactly crying in the aisles about not being in Normandy, in fact, it was nice for them to be honoured here in their hometowns, too.

I will be in Ottawa on June 6th and expect to see many veterans basking in the pride of their fellow Canadians that day. It isn‘t such a bad place to honour D-Day - with your fellow Canadians.
 
"Hopefully, there will be events in Canada (veterans) can participate in," she said. "Or they can enjoy the overseas ceremonies on the television."

Good thing they didn‘t watch the battle on TV as well (way of speaking). Where would we be today?

I agree that they can‘t send everybody, but there‘s a way of saying it nicely.

That‘s my 2 cents! :cdn:
 
The Liberals must of checked the voting registry again.They deserve better!
 
Vets paying for the D-Day Trip"? I think not ! D-Day was a major part , in the out come of WW2. And in the end , the fate of Freedom. These veterans , are getting fewer.I am sure the Government , could spare some coin. We send "some" people" , on cushy overseas postings , where " They are over there , over fed , and over paid". I heard that last phrase , from a Serbian , who just immigrated to Canada.
 
There are 20,000 D-Day vets still alive according to the Sun. How much coin do you have to spend?
 
My grandfather participated in the Normandy campaign, but he didn‘t land on Juno Beach until June 10th. Is he any less deserving of a free trip to France? Where do you draw the line?
 
Here are two beautiful letters to the editor (from the Star):

May 5.

Sixty years ago, we did not ask Canadian soldiers to pay for their train ride to Halifax, nor for their passage across the Atlantic. On June 6, 1944, we didn‘t ask them for a cross-Channel excursion fee. When they ran through the hail of machine-gun bullets, we didn‘t charge them an admission fee. There were no politicians on the beach that morning, nor political support staff to facilitate their security. But 60 years later, now that the fighting is done and it‘s safe for the politicians to walk on the sand courtesy of the Canadian taxpayer, now we want the vets to pay their way.

I was born in Canada 12 years after World War II ended. I have never experienced nightly blackouts, rationing of food or gas, or black-bordered telegrams. Conscription has not been an election issue in my lifetime. I do not scan daily casualty lists in the newspaper. All of this is due to the heroism and determination of the Canadians who took part in the D-Day landings.

Our government will only pay for a handful of veterans to return to Normandy for the 60th anniversary. News flash to Defence Minister John McCallum: It‘s only money! How many young Canadian men paid the ultimate price on that terrible morning, a sacrifice that no amount of money will redeem? Who are we who owe so much to these men, to begrudge them a trip back to that battlefield one last time? Whatever the cost, it will never repay these veterans what we truly owe them.

Alan Brown, Burlington
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May 5.

Everyone in this country owes these vets our very way of life. If they had not responded and gone into harm‘s way willingly, we would be living under a Nazi regime.

My father is one of those unsung heroes. He was just 19 years old when he was wounded on the beaches of France. This wound affected him all his life.

But he never complained; he just got on with living his life and raising his family in a world he had helped to keep free.

The very least the government of this country can do is to pay the fare and expenses of every last veteran who wishes to attend the celebrations of D-Day. To not do so is disrespectful and shameful. To think I have to write a letter to the newspaper requesting my government do the right thing is also shameful.

Elizabeth Allaway, Bowmanville
 
Flip side of the coin (playing Devil‘s Advocate)...

Like any other government department, the VAC money pot is not bottomless. So, for VAC to pay for the 20 some-odd-thousand vets to go to Normandy, what services do you want them to cut as a result?
 
Originally posted by bossi:
[qb] Here are two beautiful letters to the editor (from the Star):
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Did you have a point to make, or were you just chewing a brick?

Maybe Elizabeth and Allan would like to explain how many vets should be covered, and where the money will come from. It‘s a nice sentiment, sure.

In all honesty, maybe some of the Jewish cultural groups in Canada, the local French and Dutch communities, or the Governments of France should pay.

What about giant corporations, or insurance companies who posted record profits last year but refuse to lower insurance rates?

As for not asking Canadians to pay for the train ride to Halifax, if you want to get well and truly cold-blooded about it, they did get their 1.10 a day in wages plus veteran‘s benefits.

Where‘s Wal-Mart when you really need them? All kinds of monied organizations could step in, if this was seen as a priority.
 
"In all honesty, maybe some of the Jewish cultural groups in Canada, the local French and Dutch communities, or the Governments of France should pay."

I second that.
 
I wish all the Veterans could , go , but like was mention , what areas to you want to cut the budget? " Robbing Peter , To Pay , Paul , " is not the answer. Plus I didn‘t realize that there was so many D-Day Vets.I am sure there are alot of organizations , that could help , send more Vets , over.
 
I don‘t know if I believe the 20,000 figure - We only had one division plus an armoured brigade and a parachute battalion, but I have to believe this figure includes RCAF and RCN servicemen. Whether that would add up to 80,000 or not is anyone‘s guess. Given the wastage rates of D-Day men, perhaps the 80,000 figure refers to everyone who fought in Normandy? Remember, it was THE SUN that provided the info...

But regardless, I am sure there are other agencies who could help out - perhaps even would have helped out had this been made known earlier.
 
My, you certainly are an offensive little twerp, aren‘t you? (i.e. "chewing a brick")
While it doesn‘t surprise me that some people prefer to be rude and eschew plain talk in favour of snipes and imagined witticisms, I would have thought you‘d be capable of something more cerebral than that. Oh, well ... maybe one day you‘ll grow up (or develop some grace).

Here‘s another letter to the editor (i.e. a well-written, evocative demonstration of the "public mood" which I‘d like to share with the rest of the forum, since I agree with its‘ sentiment - furthermore, I‘d rather see tax dollars spent on a sentimental pilgrammage of this sort vice opulent junkets for fat cat pals of the Federal Liberal party. Is that clear enough for you?)

P.S. your anti-Semitic, xenophobic swipe was a nice touch - certainly fits your neo-Nazi style

Please find the money
Sending them back to Normandy would mean the world to the men and women who saved the world

re: Vets must pay for D-day
May 5 (The Star)

It sickens me to think this is the way the Canadian government is continuing to treat its veterans. I believe Canada (at the bare minimum) owes these men and women who landed at Normandy the opportunity to go back and pay their respects on that beach.

I‘ve had the privilege to speak with many World War II veterans from Canada and across the world. The commonality in all their stories is the fact that now, even in their 80s, their memories from the war are crystal clear and they still suffer today. These men and women have lived, lost and sacrificed their lives and mental health for our freedom, for our entire standard of living today. They fought so we didn‘t have to. All they want to do is go back one last time and stand on that beach next to each other and solemnly say: "I‘m sorry that many of you of are not here with me. I still miss you and I will never forget what happened here and what we fought for."

It is disrespectful that our government can‘t find a way to fund or even a way to subsidize the trip to Normandy for those veterans who are physically able to go.

When I see so many millions misspent and lost through federal government scandals and inappropriate spending, why can‘t we just do the right thing and find the money where it will mean the world to the men and women who saved the world? What does it take these days to get some funding? Does it require someone as brave as Garth Webb and Wal-Mart to publicly come forward again and support a program for veterans and consequently embarrass the Canadian government into supporting it?

I was at the Juno Beach Centre last June 6 with my dad. We went to pay our respects to all soldiers and my two grandfathers. I can‘t describe the feelings I felt standing on that beach next to veterans and to see them relive their memories. We all owe them all our most sincere thanks and gratitude at the very least.

Chris Harvey, Toronto
 
Guys, let‘s try and keep it civil, mmkay?


I think the government should at least pay a percentage, and not to mention that I don‘t think ALL 20,000 will go.... half that MAYBE.
 
Just another reason we need to get rid of the Liberals. Any soldier who participated in D-Day that wants to return to Juno beach should be able to and should be financed by the government. If not for the sacrifices these brave men made on that day, those politicians might not be making their six figure salaries.
 
Well, I guess there are, to me - 2 separate issues. One is of logistics. How many Vets want to go? What would the real cost be? What about Vets who took part in other campaigns? For example -Does my Grandfather get to visit Murmansk? People will make the argument that every Vet should have an opportunity to re-visit where they served. That being said, this, I guess - being an extremely significant Campaign, which would justify extra expense. Its not like it is a surprise - surely they could have figured it all out, before this.

Second - The money thing is made worse by our (correct) perception of screwed up priorities, in Canadian Governement. There‘s no money for this, but there is for gun registry. Lots of money for patronage-laden contracts and schemes, but not enough for the important things.
 
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