Victoria Cross 150 years old
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- Start date
- Reaction score
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- Points
- 210
In that time 93 Canadian have received it
I have seen this statement, with similar numbers, but for the life of me, i have not been able to establish criteriae to do the count. :threat:
Dunn is routinely counted, but there were other men of Canadian birth serving in British units that are not.
There were Brits who were serving in Canadian units who are counted, but really, they were not Canadians.
Does anyone know the rules used to this statistic?
I have seen this statement, with similar numbers, but for the life of me, i have not been able to establish criteriae to do the count. :threat:
Dunn is routinely counted, but there were other men of Canadian birth serving in British units that are not.
There were Brits who were serving in Canadian units who are counted, but really, they were not Canadians.
Does anyone know the rules used to this statistic?
- Reaction score
- 15
- Points
- 430
The usual count of Canadian VCs appears to allow for the inclusion of anyone who had lived in canad at any time, regardless of the length of time they did so or which country's forces they were in at the time of the event. There does not appear to be any published "standard' conditions for making this count.
I've seen "94" quoted quite often, though sources differ.
I would suggest one of the better general sources on line regarding the VC is now at Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Victoria_cross), which was migrated from the Victoria Cross Reference site (http://www.victoriacross.net/default.asp).
Wikipedia's list of VC reciients by nationality gives a figure of 90 for Canadians:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Victoria_Cross_recipients_by_nationality
... yet their page listing them gives 96 names.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Canadian_Victoria_Cross_recipients
I have one database list that runs to 99 names, admittedly I never tracked the individual conditions for being considered "Canadian." The three discrepancies to my list of 99 follow, Wikipedia reference and notes in parentheses:
02-Sep-1898 Lieutenant de Montmorency, Raymond Harvey Lodge Joseph 21st Lancers (Empress of India's)
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raymond_Harvey_Lodge_Joseph_%28The_Hon.%29_De_Montmorency
"Also considered Canadian.")
09-Jun-1858 Pte O'Hea, Timothy 1st Battalion The Rifle Brigade
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timothy_O%27Hea
...stationed in Canada when the following deed took place for which he was awarded the VC.")
14-Oct-1918 Private Ricketts, Pte Thomas 1st Battalion, The Royal Newfoundland Regiment
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tommy_Ricketts
"Sometimes considered to be Canadian although it should be borne in mind that during World War I Newfoundland was a self governing dominion and didn't became a Province of Canada until 1949.")
I've seen "94" quoted quite often, though sources differ.
I would suggest one of the better general sources on line regarding the VC is now at Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Victoria_cross), which was migrated from the Victoria Cross Reference site (http://www.victoriacross.net/default.asp).
Wikipedia's list of VC reciients by nationality gives a figure of 90 for Canadians:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Victoria_Cross_recipients_by_nationality
... yet their page listing them gives 96 names.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Canadian_Victoria_Cross_recipients
I have one database list that runs to 99 names, admittedly I never tracked the individual conditions for being considered "Canadian." The three discrepancies to my list of 99 follow, Wikipedia reference and notes in parentheses:
02-Sep-1898 Lieutenant de Montmorency, Raymond Harvey Lodge Joseph 21st Lancers (Empress of India's)
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raymond_Harvey_Lodge_Joseph_%28The_Hon.%29_De_Montmorency
"Also considered Canadian.")
09-Jun-1858 Pte O'Hea, Timothy 1st Battalion The Rifle Brigade
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timothy_O%27Hea
...stationed in Canada when the following deed took place for which he was awarded the VC.")
14-Oct-1918 Private Ricketts, Pte Thomas 1st Battalion, The Royal Newfoundland Regiment
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tommy_Ricketts
"Sometimes considered to be Canadian although it should be borne in mind that during World War I Newfoundland was a self governing dominion and didn't became a Province of Canada until 1949.")
- Reaction score
- 15
- Points
- 430
For the record, here's the list of 99:
Day Month Year Rank Name Unit
25 October 1854 Lieutenant Dunn, Lt Alexander Roberts 11th (Prince Albert's Own) Regiment of (Light) Dragoons (Hussars)
14 September 1857 Surgeon Reade, Surgeon Herbert Taylor 61st (South Gloucestershire) Regiment of Foot
16 November 1857 Hall, William Royal Navy (HMS Shannon), Naval Brigade
9 June 1858 Pte O'Hea, Timothy 1st Battalion the Rifle Brigade
7 May 1867 Dr. (Asst-Surg) Douglas, Campbell Mallis 24th (Warwickshire) Regiment of Foot, (later The South Wales Borderers)
2 September 1898 Lieutenant de Montmorency,Raymond Harvey Lodge Joseph 21st Lancers (Empress of India's)
20 April 1900 Lieutenant Nickerson, William Henry Snyder Royal Army Medical Corps (att to Mounted Infantry)
5 July 1900 Sergeant Richardson, Sergt. Arthur Herbert Lindsay Strathcona's Horse
7 November 1900 Sergeant Holland, Edward James Gibson The Royal Canadian Dragoons
7 November 1900 Lieutenant Cockburn, Hampden Zane Churchill The Royal Canadian Dragoons
7 November 1900 Lieutenant Turner, Lieut. Richard Ernest The Royal Canadian Dragoons
1 February 1915 Corporal O'Leary, Lance Corporal Michael 1st Battalion, The Irish Guards
23 April 1915 Lance Corporal Fisher, L/Cpl Frederick 13th Infantry Battalion (Royal Highlanders of Canada)
24 April 1915 Lieutenant Bellew, Lieut. Edward Donald 7th Battalion (1st British Columbia Regiment)
24 April 1915 Colour-Sergeant Hall, Colour-Sergeant Frederick William 8th Battalion (90th Winnipeg Rifles)
25 April 1915 Captain Scrimger, Capt Francis Alexander Caron Canadian Army Medical Corps
15 June 1915 Lieutenant Campbell, Lt Frederick William 1st Battalion (Western Ontario Regiment)
17 August 1915 Private Brown, Pte Harry 10th Infantry Battalion (10th Canadians)
21 January 1916 Captain Sinton, John Alexander Indian Medical Service, Indian Army
5 July 1916 Lieutenant (Temp) Wilkinson, Temporary Lieutenant Thomas Orde Lauder 7th Bn. The Loyal North Lancashire Regiment
9 September 1916 Corporal (Acting) Clarke, A/Cpl Leo 2nd Infantry Battalion (Eastern Ontario Regiment)
16 September 1916 Private Kerr, Pte. John Chipman 49th Infantry Battalion
8 October 1916 Private Richardson, Pte James Cleland 16th Infantry Battalion (The Canadian Scottish)
27 March 1917 Lieutenant Harvey, Lieut. Frederick Maurice Watson Lord Strathcona's Horse (Royal Canadians)
9 April 1917 Private Milne, Pte William Johnstone 16th Infantry Battalion (The Canadian Scottish)
9 April 1917 Lance Sergeant Sifton, L/Sgt Ellis Wellwood 18th Battalion
9 April 1917 Captain MacDowell, Capt Thain Wendell 38th Infantry Battalion
3 May 1917 Lieutenant Combe, Lt Robert Grierson 27th Battalion
2 June 1917 Captain Bishop, William Avery Royal Flying Corps
3 June 1917 Private Pattison, Pte. John George 50th Battalion (Calgary Regiment
15 August 1917 Private O'Rourke, Pte. Michael James 7th Battalion (1st British Columbia Regiment)
18 August 1917 Sergeant Hobson, Sergt. Frederick 20th Infantry Battalion
18 August 1917 Major (Acting) Learmonth, A/Major Okill Massey 2nd Infantry Battalion (Eastern Ontario Regiment)
21 August 1917 CSM Hanna, CSM Robert 29th Battalion (British Columbia Regiment)
24 August 1917 Corporal (Acting) Konowal, A/Cpl Filip 47th Battalion (47th British Columbia Battalion)
10 October 1917 Lieutenant-Colonel Bent, Lt.-Col. Philip Eric The Leicestershire Regiment
26 October 1917 Private Holmes, Pte Thomas William 4th Canadian Mounted Rifles Battalion (Rifles 2nd Central Ontario Regiment)
26 October 1917 Captain O'Kelly, Capt Christopher Patrick John 52nd Battalion (New Ontario Battalion)
26 October 1917 Lieutenant Shankland, Lt Robert 43rd Battalion (Cameron Highlanders)
30 October 1917 Major Pearkes, Maj. George Randolph 5th Canadian Mounted Rifles Battalion
30 October 1917 Lieutenant MacKenzie, Lt Hugh 7th Canadian Machine Gun Company
30 October 1917 Private Kinross, Pte Cecil John 49th Infantry Battalion
30 October 1917 Sergeant Mullin, Sgt George Harry Princess Patricia's Canadian Light Infantry
6 November 1917 Corporal Barron, Cpl Colin Fraser 3rd Infantry Battalion (Toronto Regiment)
6 November 1917 Private Robertson, Pte. James Peter 27th Infantry Battalion
20 November 1917 Lieutenant Strachan, Lt. Harcus Fort Garry Horse
21 March 1918 Second Lieutenant de Wind, 2Lt Edmond 31st Infantry Battalion
27 March 1918 2nd Lieut MacLeod, 2nd Lieut. Alan Arnett Royal Flying Corps
30 March 1918 Lieutenant Flowerdew, Lt Gordon Muriel Lord Strathcona's Horse (Royal Canadians)
28 April 1918 Captain McKean, Capt George Burdon 14th Infantry Battalion (Royal Montreal Regiment)
1 May 1918 Private Cruikshank, Robert Edward 2/14th (County of London) Bn., The London Regiment (London Scottish)
10 May 1918 Lieutenant Bourke, Rowland Richard Louis Royal Naval Volunteer Reserve
8 June 1918 Corporal Kaeble, Cpl Joseph 22nd Infantry Battalion, (Canadien Francais)
8 August 1918 Lieutenant Tait, Lt. James Edward 78th Infantry Battalion (Winnipeg Grenadiers)
8 August 1918 Corporal Miner, Cpl Harry Garnet Bedford 58th Infantry Battalion
8 August 1918 Private Croake, Pte John Bernard 13th Infantry Battalion (Royal Highlanders of Canada)
8 August 1918 Corporal Good, Cpl Herman James 13th Infantry Battalion (Royal Highlanders of Canada)
9 August 1918 Corporal (Acting) Brereton, A/Cpl Alexander Picton 8th Battalion (90th Winnipeg Rifles)
9 August 1918 Lieutenant Brillant, Lt Jean 22nd Infantry Battalion (Canadien Francais)
9 August 1918 Corporal Coppins, Cpl Frederick George 8th Battalion (90th Winnipeg Rifles)
9 August 1918 Sergeant Zengel, Sgt Raphael Louis 5th Infantry Battalion (Western Cavalry)
12 August 1918 Private Dineson, Pte Thomas 42nd Infantry Battalion (Royal Highlanders of Canada)
13 August 1918 Sergeant Spall, Sgt Robert Princess Patricia's Canadian Light Infantry
26 August 1918 Lieutenant Rutherford, Lt Charles Smith 5th Canadian Mounted Rifles Battalion
28 August 1918 Lieutenant-Colonel Clark-Kennedy, LCol William Hew 24th Battalion (Victoria Rifles)
1 September 1918 Private Nunney, Pte Claude Joseph Patrick 38th Infantry Battalion
2 September 1918 Captain Hutcheson, Capt Bellenden Seymour Canadian Army Medical Corps
2 September 1918 Private Rayfield, Private Walter Leigh 7th Battalion (1st British Columbia Regiment)
2 September 1918 Lance Corporal Metcalf, L/Cpl William Henry 16th Infantry Battalion (The Canadian Scottish)
2 September 1918 Private Young, Pte John Francis 87th Battalion (Canadian Grenadier Guards)
2 September 1918 Sergeant (Acting Knight, A/Sgt Arthur George 10th Infantry Battalion (10th Canadians)
2 September 1918 Lieutenant-Colonel Peck, LCol Cyrus Wesley 16th Infantry Battalion (The Canadian Scottish)
27 September 1918 Lieutenant Kerr, Lt George Fraser 3rd Infantry Battalion (Toronto Regiment)
27 September 1918 Lieutenant Lyall, Lt. Graham Thomson 102nd Infantry Battalion (North British Columbians)
27 September 1918 Lieutenant Gregg, Lt Milton Fowler The Royal Canadian Regiment
29 September 1918 Captain (Temp) MacGregor, Temporory Captain John 2nd Canadian Mounted Rifles (1st Central Ontario Regiment)
30 September 1918 Lieutenant Honey, Lt Samuel Lewis 78th Infantry Battalion (Winnipeg Grenadiers)
1 October 1918 Sergeant Merrifield, Sgt William 4th Infantry Battalion
8 October 1918 Captain Mitchell, Capt. Coulson Norman 4th Battalion, Canadian Engineers (1st Tunnelling Company)
11 October 1918 Lieutenant Algie, Lt Wallace Boyd 20th Infantry Battalion
14 October 1918 Private Ricketts, Pte Thomas 1st Battalion, The Royal Newfoundland Regiment
1 November 1918 Sergeant Cairns, Sergt. Hugh 46th Infantry Battalion
19 December 1941 CSM Osborn, CSM John Robert 1st Battalion, The Winnipeg Grenadiers
19 August 1942 Captain (Hon) Foote, Hon. Capt John Weir Canadian Chaplain Services
19 August 1942 Lieutenant-Colonel Merritt, Lt. Col. Charles Cecil The South Saskatchewan Regiment
8 November 1942 Captain Peters, Capt. Frederick Thornton Royal Navy
14 December 1943 Major (Acting) Triquet, A/Maj Paul Le Royal 22e Regiment
16 February 1944 Major Hoey, Maj. Charles Ferguson 1st Battalion, The Lincolnshire Regiment
24 May 1944 Major Mahoney, Maj John Keefer The Westminster Regiment (Motor)
12 June 1944 Pilot Officer Mynarski, Pilot Officer Andrew Charles Royal Canadian Air Force
24 June 1944 Flight Lieut. Hornell, Flight Lieut. David Ernest Royal Canadian Air Force
4 August 1944 Sqn Ldr Bazalgette, Sqn Ldr Ian Willoughby Royal Air Force
18 August 1944 Major Currie, Maj. David Vivian 29th Armoured Reconnaissance Regiment (The South Alberta Regiment)
22 October 1944 Private Smith, Pte Ernest Alvia The Seaforth Highlanders of Canada
26 February 1945 Sergeant Cosens, Sgt Aubrey The Queen's Own Rifles of Canada
1 March 1945 Major Tilston, Maj Frederick Albert The Essex Scottish Regiment
24 March 1945 Corporal Topham, Cpl Frederick George 1st Canadian Parachute Battalion
9 August 1945 Gray, Robert Hampton Royal Canadian Naval Volunteer Reserve
27 October 1918 Major Barker, Major William George Royal Air Force
Day Month Year Rank Name Unit
25 October 1854 Lieutenant Dunn, Lt Alexander Roberts 11th (Prince Albert's Own) Regiment of (Light) Dragoons (Hussars)
14 September 1857 Surgeon Reade, Surgeon Herbert Taylor 61st (South Gloucestershire) Regiment of Foot
16 November 1857 Hall, William Royal Navy (HMS Shannon), Naval Brigade
9 June 1858 Pte O'Hea, Timothy 1st Battalion the Rifle Brigade
7 May 1867 Dr. (Asst-Surg) Douglas, Campbell Mallis 24th (Warwickshire) Regiment of Foot, (later The South Wales Borderers)
2 September 1898 Lieutenant de Montmorency,Raymond Harvey Lodge Joseph 21st Lancers (Empress of India's)
20 April 1900 Lieutenant Nickerson, William Henry Snyder Royal Army Medical Corps (att to Mounted Infantry)
5 July 1900 Sergeant Richardson, Sergt. Arthur Herbert Lindsay Strathcona's Horse
7 November 1900 Sergeant Holland, Edward James Gibson The Royal Canadian Dragoons
7 November 1900 Lieutenant Cockburn, Hampden Zane Churchill The Royal Canadian Dragoons
7 November 1900 Lieutenant Turner, Lieut. Richard Ernest The Royal Canadian Dragoons
1 February 1915 Corporal O'Leary, Lance Corporal Michael 1st Battalion, The Irish Guards
23 April 1915 Lance Corporal Fisher, L/Cpl Frederick 13th Infantry Battalion (Royal Highlanders of Canada)
24 April 1915 Lieutenant Bellew, Lieut. Edward Donald 7th Battalion (1st British Columbia Regiment)
24 April 1915 Colour-Sergeant Hall, Colour-Sergeant Frederick William 8th Battalion (90th Winnipeg Rifles)
25 April 1915 Captain Scrimger, Capt Francis Alexander Caron Canadian Army Medical Corps
15 June 1915 Lieutenant Campbell, Lt Frederick William 1st Battalion (Western Ontario Regiment)
17 August 1915 Private Brown, Pte Harry 10th Infantry Battalion (10th Canadians)
21 January 1916 Captain Sinton, John Alexander Indian Medical Service, Indian Army
5 July 1916 Lieutenant (Temp) Wilkinson, Temporary Lieutenant Thomas Orde Lauder 7th Bn. The Loyal North Lancashire Regiment
9 September 1916 Corporal (Acting) Clarke, A/Cpl Leo 2nd Infantry Battalion (Eastern Ontario Regiment)
16 September 1916 Private Kerr, Pte. John Chipman 49th Infantry Battalion
8 October 1916 Private Richardson, Pte James Cleland 16th Infantry Battalion (The Canadian Scottish)
27 March 1917 Lieutenant Harvey, Lieut. Frederick Maurice Watson Lord Strathcona's Horse (Royal Canadians)
9 April 1917 Private Milne, Pte William Johnstone 16th Infantry Battalion (The Canadian Scottish)
9 April 1917 Lance Sergeant Sifton, L/Sgt Ellis Wellwood 18th Battalion
9 April 1917 Captain MacDowell, Capt Thain Wendell 38th Infantry Battalion
3 May 1917 Lieutenant Combe, Lt Robert Grierson 27th Battalion
2 June 1917 Captain Bishop, William Avery Royal Flying Corps
3 June 1917 Private Pattison, Pte. John George 50th Battalion (Calgary Regiment
15 August 1917 Private O'Rourke, Pte. Michael James 7th Battalion (1st British Columbia Regiment)
18 August 1917 Sergeant Hobson, Sergt. Frederick 20th Infantry Battalion
18 August 1917 Major (Acting) Learmonth, A/Major Okill Massey 2nd Infantry Battalion (Eastern Ontario Regiment)
21 August 1917 CSM Hanna, CSM Robert 29th Battalion (British Columbia Regiment)
24 August 1917 Corporal (Acting) Konowal, A/Cpl Filip 47th Battalion (47th British Columbia Battalion)
10 October 1917 Lieutenant-Colonel Bent, Lt.-Col. Philip Eric The Leicestershire Regiment
26 October 1917 Private Holmes, Pte Thomas William 4th Canadian Mounted Rifles Battalion (Rifles 2nd Central Ontario Regiment)
26 October 1917 Captain O'Kelly, Capt Christopher Patrick John 52nd Battalion (New Ontario Battalion)
26 October 1917 Lieutenant Shankland, Lt Robert 43rd Battalion (Cameron Highlanders)
30 October 1917 Major Pearkes, Maj. George Randolph 5th Canadian Mounted Rifles Battalion
30 October 1917 Lieutenant MacKenzie, Lt Hugh 7th Canadian Machine Gun Company
30 October 1917 Private Kinross, Pte Cecil John 49th Infantry Battalion
30 October 1917 Sergeant Mullin, Sgt George Harry Princess Patricia's Canadian Light Infantry
6 November 1917 Corporal Barron, Cpl Colin Fraser 3rd Infantry Battalion (Toronto Regiment)
6 November 1917 Private Robertson, Pte. James Peter 27th Infantry Battalion
20 November 1917 Lieutenant Strachan, Lt. Harcus Fort Garry Horse
21 March 1918 Second Lieutenant de Wind, 2Lt Edmond 31st Infantry Battalion
27 March 1918 2nd Lieut MacLeod, 2nd Lieut. Alan Arnett Royal Flying Corps
30 March 1918 Lieutenant Flowerdew, Lt Gordon Muriel Lord Strathcona's Horse (Royal Canadians)
28 April 1918 Captain McKean, Capt George Burdon 14th Infantry Battalion (Royal Montreal Regiment)
1 May 1918 Private Cruikshank, Robert Edward 2/14th (County of London) Bn., The London Regiment (London Scottish)
10 May 1918 Lieutenant Bourke, Rowland Richard Louis Royal Naval Volunteer Reserve
8 June 1918 Corporal Kaeble, Cpl Joseph 22nd Infantry Battalion, (Canadien Francais)
8 August 1918 Lieutenant Tait, Lt. James Edward 78th Infantry Battalion (Winnipeg Grenadiers)
8 August 1918 Corporal Miner, Cpl Harry Garnet Bedford 58th Infantry Battalion
8 August 1918 Private Croake, Pte John Bernard 13th Infantry Battalion (Royal Highlanders of Canada)
8 August 1918 Corporal Good, Cpl Herman James 13th Infantry Battalion (Royal Highlanders of Canada)
9 August 1918 Corporal (Acting) Brereton, A/Cpl Alexander Picton 8th Battalion (90th Winnipeg Rifles)
9 August 1918 Lieutenant Brillant, Lt Jean 22nd Infantry Battalion (Canadien Francais)
9 August 1918 Corporal Coppins, Cpl Frederick George 8th Battalion (90th Winnipeg Rifles)
9 August 1918 Sergeant Zengel, Sgt Raphael Louis 5th Infantry Battalion (Western Cavalry)
12 August 1918 Private Dineson, Pte Thomas 42nd Infantry Battalion (Royal Highlanders of Canada)
13 August 1918 Sergeant Spall, Sgt Robert Princess Patricia's Canadian Light Infantry
26 August 1918 Lieutenant Rutherford, Lt Charles Smith 5th Canadian Mounted Rifles Battalion
28 August 1918 Lieutenant-Colonel Clark-Kennedy, LCol William Hew 24th Battalion (Victoria Rifles)
1 September 1918 Private Nunney, Pte Claude Joseph Patrick 38th Infantry Battalion
2 September 1918 Captain Hutcheson, Capt Bellenden Seymour Canadian Army Medical Corps
2 September 1918 Private Rayfield, Private Walter Leigh 7th Battalion (1st British Columbia Regiment)
2 September 1918 Lance Corporal Metcalf, L/Cpl William Henry 16th Infantry Battalion (The Canadian Scottish)
2 September 1918 Private Young, Pte John Francis 87th Battalion (Canadian Grenadier Guards)
2 September 1918 Sergeant (Acting Knight, A/Sgt Arthur George 10th Infantry Battalion (10th Canadians)
2 September 1918 Lieutenant-Colonel Peck, LCol Cyrus Wesley 16th Infantry Battalion (The Canadian Scottish)
27 September 1918 Lieutenant Kerr, Lt George Fraser 3rd Infantry Battalion (Toronto Regiment)
27 September 1918 Lieutenant Lyall, Lt. Graham Thomson 102nd Infantry Battalion (North British Columbians)
27 September 1918 Lieutenant Gregg, Lt Milton Fowler The Royal Canadian Regiment
29 September 1918 Captain (Temp) MacGregor, Temporory Captain John 2nd Canadian Mounted Rifles (1st Central Ontario Regiment)
30 September 1918 Lieutenant Honey, Lt Samuel Lewis 78th Infantry Battalion (Winnipeg Grenadiers)
1 October 1918 Sergeant Merrifield, Sgt William 4th Infantry Battalion
8 October 1918 Captain Mitchell, Capt. Coulson Norman 4th Battalion, Canadian Engineers (1st Tunnelling Company)
11 October 1918 Lieutenant Algie, Lt Wallace Boyd 20th Infantry Battalion
14 October 1918 Private Ricketts, Pte Thomas 1st Battalion, The Royal Newfoundland Regiment
1 November 1918 Sergeant Cairns, Sergt. Hugh 46th Infantry Battalion
19 December 1941 CSM Osborn, CSM John Robert 1st Battalion, The Winnipeg Grenadiers
19 August 1942 Captain (Hon) Foote, Hon. Capt John Weir Canadian Chaplain Services
19 August 1942 Lieutenant-Colonel Merritt, Lt. Col. Charles Cecil The South Saskatchewan Regiment
8 November 1942 Captain Peters, Capt. Frederick Thornton Royal Navy
14 December 1943 Major (Acting) Triquet, A/Maj Paul Le Royal 22e Regiment
16 February 1944 Major Hoey, Maj. Charles Ferguson 1st Battalion, The Lincolnshire Regiment
24 May 1944 Major Mahoney, Maj John Keefer The Westminster Regiment (Motor)
12 June 1944 Pilot Officer Mynarski, Pilot Officer Andrew Charles Royal Canadian Air Force
24 June 1944 Flight Lieut. Hornell, Flight Lieut. David Ernest Royal Canadian Air Force
4 August 1944 Sqn Ldr Bazalgette, Sqn Ldr Ian Willoughby Royal Air Force
18 August 1944 Major Currie, Maj. David Vivian 29th Armoured Reconnaissance Regiment (The South Alberta Regiment)
22 October 1944 Private Smith, Pte Ernest Alvia The Seaforth Highlanders of Canada
26 February 1945 Sergeant Cosens, Sgt Aubrey The Queen's Own Rifles of Canada
1 March 1945 Major Tilston, Maj Frederick Albert The Essex Scottish Regiment
24 March 1945 Corporal Topham, Cpl Frederick George 1st Canadian Parachute Battalion
9 August 1945 Gray, Robert Hampton Royal Canadian Naval Volunteer Reserve
27 October 1918 Major Barker, Major William George Royal Air Force
- Reaction score
- 0
- Points
- 210
Good list Michael:--
It seems that every time I try to make a rule, there are exceptions:
For example:--
If a Canadian serving in a British unit is considered a "Canadian" recipient, why is an American serving in a Canadian unit not considered an "American recipient,or an Ukrainian a "Ukranian" recipient?
If a Newfoundland recipient is not counted because Newfoundland was not part of Canada at the time, why count Nova Scotians before 1867?
I agree that the VC Reference is one of the best authorities on the subject.
Having said all that, these types of "knit pickings" do nothing to dimish the valour.
It seems that every time I try to make a rule, there are exceptions:
For example:--
If a Canadian serving in a British unit is considered a "Canadian" recipient, why is an American serving in a Canadian unit not considered an "American recipient,or an Ukrainian a "Ukranian" recipient?
If a Newfoundland recipient is not counted because Newfoundland was not part of Canada at the time, why count Nova Scotians before 1867?
I agree that the VC Reference is one of the best authorities on the subject.
Having said all that, these types of "knit pickings" do nothing to dimish the valour.
- Reaction score
- 272
- Points
- 880
Although our own Canadian Department of History and Heritage Web-site lists only 94 recipients of the VC.
http://www.forces.ca/hr/dhh/honours_awards/engraph/recip_vc_e.asp?cat=3
Recipients - Victoria Cross
Full citations to these awards are recorded in 1000 Brave Canadians, published by The Unitrade Press.
Prior to the South African War (4):
DUNN, Alexander Robert
HALL, William
READE, Herbert Taylor
DOUGLAS, Campbell Mellis
The South African (Boer) War 1899-1902 (4):
COCKBURN, Hampden Z.C.
HOLLAND, Edward J.G.
RICHARDSON, Arthur H.L.
TURNER, Richard E.W.
First World War 1914-1918 (70):
ALGIE, Wallace Lloyd
BARKER, William George
BARRON, Colin Fraser
BELLEW, Edward Donald
BENT, Philip Eric
BISHOP, William Avery
BOURKE, Rowland R.L.
BRERETON, Alexander P.
BRILLANT, Jean
BROWN, Harry
CAIRNS, Hugh
CAMPBELL, Frederick W.
CLARKE, Leo
CLARK-KENNEDY, William. Hew
COMBE, Robert Grierson
COPPINS, Frederick G.
CROAK, John Bernard
De WIND, Edmund
DINESEN, Thomas
FISHER, Fred
FLOWERDEW, Gordon M.
GOOD, Herman James
GREGG, Milton Fowler
HALL, Frederick William
HANNA, Robert
HARVEY, Frederick M.W.
HOBSON, Frederick
HOLMES, Thomas William
HONEY, Samuel Lewis
HUTCHESON, Bellenden S.
KAEBLE, Joseph
KERR, George Fraser
KERR, John Chipman
KINROSS, Cecil John
KNIGHT, Arthur George
KONOWAL, Filip
LEARMONTH, Okill M.
LYALL, Graham Thomson
MacDOWELL, Thain W.
MacGREGOR, John
MacKENZIE, Hugh
McKEAN, George Burdon
McLEOD, Alan Arnett
MERRIFIELD, William
METCALF, William Henry
MILNE, William Johnstone
MINER, Harry G.B.
MITCHELL, Coulson N.
MULLIN, George Harry
NUNNEY, Claude J.P.
O'KELLY, Christopher P.J.
O'LEARY, Michael
O'ROURKE, Michael James
PATTISON, John George
PEARKES, George Randolph
PECK, Cyrus Wesley
RAYFIELD, Walter Leigh
RICHARDSON, James C.
RICKETTS, Thomas
ROBERTSON, James Peter
RUTHERFORD, Charles S.
SCRIMGER, Francis A.C.
SHANKLAND, Robert
SIFTON, Ellis Wellwood
SPALL, Robert
STRACHAN, Harcus
TAIT, James Edward
WILKINSON, Thomas O.L.
YOUNG, Francis
ZENGEL, Raphael Louis
Second World War 1939-1945 (16):
BAZALGETTE, Ian W
COSENS, Aubrey
CURRIE, David Vivian
FOOTE, John Weir
GRAY, Robert Hampton
HOEY, Charles Ferguson
HORNELL, David Ernest
MAHONY, John Keefer
MERRITT, Charles C.I.
MYNARSKI, Andrew C.
OSBORN, John Robert
PETERS, Frederick Thornton
SMITH, Ernest Alvia
TILSTON, Frederick Albert
TOPHAM, Frederick George
TRIQUET, Paul
Could it be that possible discrepency in "Country" is based on the Award Criteria originally being that the VC was awarded for conspicuous bravery, in the presence of an enemy, by a member born in a Commonwealth nation serving with her Military or a member of an allied armed force that is serving with or in conjunction with a Commonwealth Force? Possibly ergo the reason an American or Ukranian recipient would be listed as eg. 'Canadian' in some references vice their own nationality. They would be ineligible for the VC based on their country of birth not being a part of the Commonwealth; but rather earned their Commonwealth VC because they were serving with a Commonwealth or Allied Unit at the time of their brave act?
http://www.forces.ca/hr/dhh/honours_awards/engraph/recip_vc_e.asp?cat=3
Recipients - Victoria Cross
Full citations to these awards are recorded in 1000 Brave Canadians, published by The Unitrade Press.
Prior to the South African War (4):
DUNN, Alexander Robert
HALL, William
READE, Herbert Taylor
DOUGLAS, Campbell Mellis
The South African (Boer) War 1899-1902 (4):
COCKBURN, Hampden Z.C.
HOLLAND, Edward J.G.
RICHARDSON, Arthur H.L.
TURNER, Richard E.W.
First World War 1914-1918 (70):
ALGIE, Wallace Lloyd
BARKER, William George
BARRON, Colin Fraser
BELLEW, Edward Donald
BENT, Philip Eric
BISHOP, William Avery
BOURKE, Rowland R.L.
BRERETON, Alexander P.
BRILLANT, Jean
BROWN, Harry
CAIRNS, Hugh
CAMPBELL, Frederick W.
CLARKE, Leo
CLARK-KENNEDY, William. Hew
COMBE, Robert Grierson
COPPINS, Frederick G.
CROAK, John Bernard
De WIND, Edmund
DINESEN, Thomas
FISHER, Fred
FLOWERDEW, Gordon M.
GOOD, Herman James
GREGG, Milton Fowler
HALL, Frederick William
HANNA, Robert
HARVEY, Frederick M.W.
HOBSON, Frederick
HOLMES, Thomas William
HONEY, Samuel Lewis
HUTCHESON, Bellenden S.
KAEBLE, Joseph
KERR, George Fraser
KERR, John Chipman
KINROSS, Cecil John
KNIGHT, Arthur George
KONOWAL, Filip
LEARMONTH, Okill M.
LYALL, Graham Thomson
MacDOWELL, Thain W.
MacGREGOR, John
MacKENZIE, Hugh
McKEAN, George Burdon
McLEOD, Alan Arnett
MERRIFIELD, William
METCALF, William Henry
MILNE, William Johnstone
MINER, Harry G.B.
MITCHELL, Coulson N.
MULLIN, George Harry
NUNNEY, Claude J.P.
O'KELLY, Christopher P.J.
O'LEARY, Michael
O'ROURKE, Michael James
PATTISON, John George
PEARKES, George Randolph
PECK, Cyrus Wesley
RAYFIELD, Walter Leigh
RICHARDSON, James C.
RICKETTS, Thomas
ROBERTSON, James Peter
RUTHERFORD, Charles S.
SCRIMGER, Francis A.C.
SHANKLAND, Robert
SIFTON, Ellis Wellwood
SPALL, Robert
STRACHAN, Harcus
TAIT, James Edward
WILKINSON, Thomas O.L.
YOUNG, Francis
ZENGEL, Raphael Louis
Second World War 1939-1945 (16):
BAZALGETTE, Ian W
COSENS, Aubrey
CURRIE, David Vivian
FOOTE, John Weir
GRAY, Robert Hampton
HOEY, Charles Ferguson
HORNELL, David Ernest
MAHONY, John Keefer
MERRITT, Charles C.I.
MYNARSKI, Andrew C.
OSBORN, John Robert
PETERS, Frederick Thornton
SMITH, Ernest Alvia
TILSTON, Frederick Albert
TOPHAM, Frederick George
TRIQUET, Paul
Could it be that possible discrepency in "Country" is based on the Award Criteria originally being that the VC was awarded for conspicuous bravery, in the presence of an enemy, by a member born in a Commonwealth nation serving with her Military or a member of an allied armed force that is serving with or in conjunction with a Commonwealth Force? Possibly ergo the reason an American or Ukranian recipient would be listed as eg. 'Canadian' in some references vice their own nationality. They would be ineligible for the VC based on their country of birth not being a part of the Commonwealth; but rather earned their Commonwealth VC because they were serving with a Commonwealth or Allied Unit at the time of their brave act?
reccecrewman
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On the Victoria Cross topic, I've heard that if an NCM receives the VC, then Officers salute the NCM first........... Myth or truth? If it is truth, is it just a courtesy?
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Myth. Don't you think that something with that sense of importance would be clearly documented? It's that sense of importance which makes you want to think it might be true that would ensure that everyone would know it as an 'exception to the rule' if it were so. (Actually, I think we've discussed this one before.)
See this page at the Victoria Cross Reference for some related comments:
http://www.victoriacross.net/forum_topic.asp?topics=365&tid=114
See this page at the Victoria Cross Reference for some related comments:
http://www.victoriacross.net/forum_topic.asp?topics=365&tid=114
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I have no doubt that over the years more than a few VC holders, of varying ranks when serving, were invited to "take the salute" which may have added to building the myth.
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On another note:
Has anyone seen the Canadian Mint's 2006 Proof Set silver dollar commemorating this anniversary?
The Gold raised VC on the silver dollar is absolutely beautiful.
http://www.mint.ca/royalcanadianmintpublic/index.aspx?requestedPath=/en-CA/Home/default.htm
Has anyone seen the Canadian Mint's 2006 Proof Set silver dollar commemorating this anniversary?
The Gold raised VC on the silver dollar is absolutely beautiful.
http://www.mint.ca/royalcanadianmintpublic/index.aspx?requestedPath=/en-CA/Home/default.htm
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Thanks for clarifying that for me - BTW Armymedic, it is a beautiful coin.
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