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W Bush comes to town and this floats to the top......hmmmmmmmmmmmm

Since the US cannot tolerate the presence of enemy forces on the soil of North America, it would only make sense for them to prepare plans to take action in the event that such a contingency occurs. They would be negligent to do otherwise. It is difficult to see how they could effect such a defense without entering Canada (if that's where the threat was)   either with or without our sovereign permission. Hopefully the former in an ideal situation but doubtless the latter in a crisis.

As for defending ourselves against a truly hostile US "attack" (as opposed to a friendly entry) you don't need to be a genius to see that we offer no credible conventional threat, nor could we short of a massive Norwegian- or Swedish- style "national fortress"   plan that would involve compulsory service, the development of a covert national mobilization capability, massive expenditure on arms, and the construction of defenses and obstacles on all likely axes. (On the Prairies....where to put that crater????). If we were to seriously plan to counter an invasion of this sort, IMHO the plan would have to consist of two lines of effort:

a)   a widespread and determined unconventional("asymmetric") resistance that would target the vulnerabilities of US forces and exploit information operations to the maximum (CNN images might be a bit confusing to Americans-our neighbourhoods don't look too different from theirs, nor do we...M1 in front of a burnt-out McD's or Safeway...) We would have to be prepared to make such an invasion so politically intolerable to the average US citizen that the US Govt looked for an exit strategy:we would be unlikely to conduct "decisive operations" on our own. As the Iraqis and the Taleban have found to their dismay, bending US resolve, especially where a threat to the Homeland is concerned, is not an easy task. This would probably include resorting to extreme measures that we don't even want to think about right now; and

b) a pre-planned diplomatic effort to ensure that we had the greatest possible political, economic and military support from other countries such that the costs to the US of such an invasion would not be only military. Unfortunately, any US govt that was actualy willing to attack Canada would probably not be particularly susceptible to foreign pressure: we would be takling about a major departure from the political culture of North America as we know it.

IMHO far better to take reasonable measures to strengthen our sovereignty defence capability (so we pose less of a threat as a "dead ground approach" to the US), increase our ability to shoulder our military burden in the world (thus regaining some lost credibility), and work on building a relationship with the US that is not mutually hostile, nor "master and lackey" but instead is founded on some kind of improved understanding and respect. Cheers.
 
They've already tried this... didn't any of you see Canadian Bacon?  :cdn:
 
I have heard that during tensions over Quebec's possible seccession in the 90s, the US military created (updated?) contingency plans for military intervention in Quebec or elsewhere in Canada (various scenarios could have triggered this).  I would be interested in any documentary evidence on this one way or the other. 
 
S_Baker said:
Oh, I am sure you would left coast........ ;)
Well I for one am fed up of providing you "You All's" with cheap energy,and Canada is the major source of energy to the U.S..

It's about time we turn the key off and start asking our own price for our natural resources and we  regain the wealth which is our due and which we have missed on for so many years because of our past Goverments that have sold us out on on our wealth.

Free trade is not working as it's supposed to be so lets rip it up.

I am Canadian.   :cdn:   :salute:  
 
Spr.Earl said:
Free trade is not working as it's supposed to be so lets rip it up.

The numbers don't seem to be pointing that way (unless the editors of Foreign Affairs are a pack of incompetent liars).
 
OK - 1 more time - all Canucks go back to Economics 101

www.donlowconcrete.com/USA

The 38 most powerful men in Canada are who?

Signed Adam Smith

 
Spr.Earl said:
Well I for one am fed up of providing you "You All's" with cheap energy,and Canada is the major source of energy to the U.S..

It's about time we turn the key off and start asking our own price for our natural resources and we  regain the wealth which is our due and which we have missed on for so many years because of our past Goverments that have sold us out on on our wealth.

Free trade is not working as it's supposed to be so lets rip it up.

I am Canadian.   :cdn:   :salute:  

I think that our federal government's main plan to keep Canada "free" is by bending over for Uncle Sam constantly.  If Canada stopped selling oil to the US, perhaps as a means of protest against some of America's current overseas adventures, how long does anyone think it would take the States to invade Canada as a means of "liberating the Canadian people from the oppressive tyranny of a government that does not fairly represent the wishes of the Canadian people?"

Sound stupid?  Just remember that America rewrites history to it's own advantage, and that Hussien, Norriega, etcetera, were all willing cohorts of the US until they outlived their usefullness to the American Empire.  Then they were overthrown and vilified for their crimes by the US, who ignored their own tacit involvement in support of these men when they were viewed as supporting Amrerican interests in thier respective countries.
 
So... uhhh... does Canada have any secret plans on invading the US?
 
mo-litia said:
If Canada stopped selling oil to the US, perhaps as a means of protest against some of America's current overseas adventures,

Remind me again who owns most of the oil companies here?
 
If we (Alberta) stopped selling our(Alberta's oil to the U.S.,two things would happen.1) Alberta would verge on bankruptcy until we took over the rest of Canada,and 2) the U.S. would end up buying more Saudi oil,thus ensuring more financing for terrorist attacks on North American soil.Don't forget,we're on Osama's list too.(2nd place,I believe)
 
What about a post peak-oil invation? While FEMA will be useing a great amount of oil to keep the county under martial law with oil prices above $100 a barrel, who are they going to turn to for more cheap oil?

Could Canada even servive with 60 - 65, 000 troops to support the public? Or would we welocome a US invation?

It kinda sounds drastic but the Peak-Oil theory is something to worry about.

Here is an article on Peak-Oil: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/3777413.stm

About 2/3rds of the way down under "Can Saudi Deliver" there is a very interesting snippet from an interview with Fatih Birol, chief economist of the International Energy Agency !

There is a picture of a North Sea rig, just read the paragraph to the left of the picture & then tell me the powers that be are not trying to cover up the problem !  "
 
Maybe GW read something similar in 2002 and went "oh crap! thats.... bad! who has oil?! Saddam... i seee youuuuu"
:P

Seriously though, eventually the oil will be gone, then what will happen =/ Obviously we will eventually have to find an alternate fuel source, but Saudi Arabia will be out of oil before Alberta... and that somewhat frightens me in terms of what the Americans are willing to do to keep their machine running.Theyll probobly try to start buying up oil companies in alberta or something.... who knows, but a disappearance of a major world resource is never a good thing.

When was it projected the worlds oil reserves would run dry? I heard as early as 2012 =/
 
When was it projected the worlds oil reserves would run dry? I heard as early as 2012 =/

Yeah, that's "run dry" but a drastic change can come as soon as 2008-9, imagine in 2 years oil prices can reach up to 80$ or 90$ a barrel, things will get out of control = FEMA = Martial Law.
 
54/102 CEF said:
Not sure getting "saying something dumb and getting called on it" is in order here or any time.

Especially when the criticism was incorrect.  :-X Theory. 1. A set of statements or principles devised to explain a group of facts or phenomena, especially one that has been repeatedly tested or is widely accepted and can be used to make predictions about natural phenomena. Dictionary.com
A theory is a thought usually, but a thought isn't necessarily a theory. For example "I think I'm a clown:, isn't a theory unless one attempts to explain why one is a clown, such as: "I'm a clown because I spent 20 years living in a hole in the ground"
That being said, taking the piss out of each other is an important part of the army culture, and one of the aspects of army life that I miss the most, so fill your boots.

Think of the Winter War if we get invaded by anybody. And you thought those crappy issue skis where just an embuggerance.

-"too many people with too much time on their hands" Good call, makes me wonder what kind of secret plans are being crafted in NDHQ as we speak.

"When was it projected the worlds oil reserves would run dry? I heard as early as 2012" That's wildly optimistic I think. The director of the U.S. Bureau of Mines predicted that oil production would peak around 1920 and steadily decline after that.

If you don't like selling oil to the Americans you could always go into real estate in Fort MacMurray.
Speaking of economics, I think we should divert the MacKenzie River South to Irrigate Utah and Nevada. We're just dumping it into the Ocean anyway. The whole desert green as Idaho and full of potatoes. Then we can get rich off the trickle down effect as the McCain family sells Frozen French (sorry) Freedom Fries to the Chinese.
 
Id rather sell our oil to the yanks first over the saudis... or anyone else for that matter.... on the bright side of things, if we don't get invaded, we could get really rich really fast if we can dish out the oil fast enough (probobly impossible) but heres being unrealistic!  8)
 
O.K so the U.S have all kinds of firepower.. and I wouldn't count Canada out.They may be able to squash us with an onslaught...but there will always be small groups jumping in for a quick attack..lets not forget what there enemies are doing to them now.... war is not pretty.... but this is my country and as long as I can walk crawl... I won't ever give up....just a little go canada go hoopla
 
Duh...duh...duh...another one bites the Dust!

Anyone want to try and fix this one, or is it going to devolve into another juvenile US vs Canada thread?
 
One of the things the armchair critics (I have my armchair critic white wings! :) ) often forget is -- the Auto Industry -- when these parts plants end up in China - Ontario goes down the tubes ---- about the time the hybrid vehs co;me on line

News item

A dull oily pall of smoke hung over Ottawa and drifted down the Ottawa river where an angry crowd was looting 24 Sussex Drive - the Gov Gen had been chased to the airport and only just escaped with the CC150 lifting off for her refuge in the Northern Nordic countries where she has her secret cache of Ice wine.....

A beleagered government minister nervously tugged his tie strait after the all night session to close down all plants in Oshawa....

At the news conference - in   response to a question from a 20 something face from CBC news he admitted that the job losses to date were proportionatley smaller than in Michigan but still - when federal revenues fell after the tool and die shops from Waterloo to Windsor all went out of business

NHL gone south, autos gone to Indonesia -- Mr Minister what will you do?

Mr Minister was suddenly overwhelemed by a massive coronary ------ and Sheila Copps grabbed the miek asking everyone to return to their homes...
 
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