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Broadcasters demand return of $790 million in fees
Last Updated: Friday, January 12, 2007 | 6:22 PM ET
CBC News

Canada's private broadcasters are demanding the return of $790 million in licensing fees that the courts have ruled were collected unlawfully by the federal government over the previous eight years.

Glenn O'Farrell, president and CEO of the Canadian Association of Broadcasters, cited a groundbreaking decision Thursday by the Supreme Court of Canada to back up his demand.

The Supreme Court said the New Brunswick Liquor Corp. must pay back money that it collected illegally from a bar owner, a decision that could have immense ramifications for Canadian businesses.

Canadian courts have never before ordered a government to return tax money that was collected illegally.

While the long-term cost of the decision will not be known for months or even years, it could stretch into the billions of dollars.

"We can't say what the value of the decision is because it is still early days," said regulatory lawyer David Stratas of Heenan Blaikie LLP in Toronto. "But it could be millions or billions of dollars. Tens of thousands of tax measures across the country could be affected."

What is fairly certain, lawyers say, is that Kingstreet Investments Ltd. will soon get a cheque for $750,000, courtesy of the New Brunswick liquor board.  Other bar owners in the province will be lining up to get their own cheques.

Kingstreet shook up the Canadian tax establishment Thursday when the Supreme Court ruled unanimously that it was entitled to compensation after years of paying what was deemed an unconstitutional tax to the provincial liquor board.

The case stretches back to the early 1980s, when the liquor board began to charge bars a handling fee of five to 11 per cent of the cost of the liquor that they bought.


The Supreme Court ruled the fee was illegal because it bore no relationship to the true cost of providing the service. It was, the court ruled, simply a tax in disguise, and taxes can only be collected by the authority of a provincial or federal Parliament.

The Kingstreet ruling was very important, but it was not unique, said Brian Pell, a tax lawyer with McCarthy Tétrault LLP in Toronto. The courts have ruled in the past that other user fees, including probate fees and broadcast licence fees, are also unconstitutional.

But Pell said the Kingstreet ruling will open the door to claims by Canadian businesses that believe they have been obliged to pay user fees that were actually taxes in disguise.

Pell said it will take some time to sort all the claims out. The ruling could affect tens of thousands of user and licence fees, such as those for building permits and business licences, and possibly even parking tickets, where the cost of the fee bears no relationship to the cost of the service.

Sorting out which fees are legitimate could be a long process.

Companies will have to take a close look at each fee they pay to determine whether they are, in fact, legitimate, and possibly launch class-action lawsuits to recover their money.

Pell warned that the road may not be straight or easy. Governments have been known to change the law to bypass court rulings they did not appreciate, and some provinces specifically ban follow-on claims by related parties.

All very nice for the bar owners, but they would have passed that tax on to the customer all that time.  They aren't out of pocket in these cases, we, the citizens, are.  I want to know where I get to make a claim for any liquor I bought at a bar in New Brunswick over the past 25 years.



 
Holy crap.....I'm rich!!!!

Regards
 
..and those people that were heckling us about excessive drinking....now they're witnesses for the prosecution!
 
I'm already buying a new house based on my fair share

:cheers:


From a former Cosmo-naut (yes, you old Gagetown folks will know what I mean....), and former Knight of Camelot, aye, gimme me money!
 
Ahhh yes, the Cosmo.

Don't forget about Dundees and the Lunar Rougue.

Now in Moncton there was a little pub called Fat Tuesdays.....      >:D

Regards
 
Does this mean the "system access fee" and various other fees above and beyone my monthly plan on my cell phone are now gone?  My carrier is a crown corporation?  Any armchair tax lawyers on here?

tlm.
 
yammit said:
Does this mean the "system access fee" and various other fees above and beyone my monthly plan on my cell phone are now gone?  My carrier is a crown corporation?  Any armchair tax lawyers on here?

tlm.
Is that not under a class action lawsuit working it's way through the courts?
 
Recce By Death said:
Ahhh yes, the Cosmo.

Don't forget about Dundees and the Lunar Rougue.

Now in Moncton there was a little pub called Fat Tuesdays.....       >:D

Regards

fat tuesdays... it broke my heart when i went back one day and it was gone.

cosmos... hmmm -- yes, more blurry memories come to mind. 

Don't forget the social club.
 
;D Are you guys ever old to remember these places.  >:D

Crap, seems that I do too!!

 
So I take it you never stopped off under the Princess Margaret Bridge and had a few socialables at the Riverview Arms?
 
What about the fees for firearms licences.  Would they fall under the requirement to only cover the actual cost of doing business?  Drivers licences?  Whole can of worms.
 
George Wallace said:
So I take it you never stopped off under the Princess Margaret Bridge and had a few socialables at the Riverview Arms?

I refuse to answer on the grounds that it may incriminate me. I did make it to the Hilltop. I don't remember partying near a hotel.... ;)

But I have been known to turn up at Joe Comeau's in Halifax once; maybe twice. Perhaps Nova Scotia should enact this legislation as well?
 
Hauptmann Scharlachrot said:
From a former Cosmo-naut (yes, you old Gagetown folks will know what I mean....), and former Knight of Camelot, aye, gimme me money!

Then again, I was a Cosmo-nut and Pioneer at the Piganeer..... ;D
 
George Wallace said:
Then again, I was a Cosmo-naut and Pioneer..... ;D

Hey, I did play Pioneer at "The Fort" once.... ;D

Then there was "The Oak Room."
 
Cripes, Riverview Arms, haven't heard that one in a while. Didn't do the Cos that much, but vagualy remember the Hill Top (wasn't Monday's Ladies night??$.25 draft, or was that Tues??) Lived in the Pigoneer and the Cam, occasionally to the Oak Room.

I"M OLD  :crybaby:
 
The Crotch-mo, Camelot and the Chestnut. Also the SUB on campus...

Fat Tuesdays, I have been told that I have had fun there....

How does one become a Knight of Camelot, anyway?
 
Now that this has become a Gagetown Anonymous thread.....  ;)

What was the name of the place in the back corner of the Oromocto Mall. It officially opened at 10:30, but on Sunday mornings, their back door was open around 09:00.........I heard  :-\
 
Journeyman said:
Now that this has become a Gagetown Anonymous thread.....  ;)

What was the name of the place in the back corner of the Oromocto Mall. It officially opened at 10:30, but on Sunday mornings, their back door was open around 09:00.........I heard  :-\

The Oak something...got its licence pulled for such shenanigans...
D
 
I remember it being the Pioneer, but I'm trying to remember what it was called before that.


(Yes, my Service Number is in Roman Numerals   >:(  )
 
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