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Was the Saladin ever considered for Canada?

Colin Parkinson

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So I was watching clips on the Saladin armoured car on youtube last night and began to wonder, why didn’t we get the Saladin when we bought the Ferret? Did we consider it, test it? Was it tactical doctrine, cost, mechanical issue that stopped us? I know the Brits had a Recce doctrine of using Ferrets supported by Saladins, Foxes and Scorpions, we seem to have ended up with Lynx and the Ferret. Also was there any interests in buying the Vixen when the UK was considering replacing it’s Ferrets? 
 
Well  you may not believe this but we almost bought the turret for a light recce tank based on the Bobcat APC
 
An awesome vehicle for its day. We used them on exercise in Cyprus in the early 80s. I had a troop under command as an RMAS cadet company commander. Didn't have a clue how to deploy them properly, but luckily they knew what to do!

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Cyprus was the last location that the Royal Armoured Corps, used FV601 Alvis SaladinAlvis SaladinThe Saladin is a six-wheeled armoured car built by Alvis and used by the British Army. It replaced the AEC Armoured Car that had been in use during World War II.-History:...
, Ferret armoured carFerret armoured carThe Ferret armoured car, also commonly called the Ferret Scout car, is a British armoured fighting vehicle designed and built for reconnaissance purposes. The Ferret was produced between 1952 and 1971 by the UK company, Daimler...
and Alvis SaracenAlvis SaracenThe FV603 Saracen was a six-wheeled armoured personnel carrier built by Alvis and used by the British army that became a recognisable vehicle as a result of its part in the policing of Northern Ireland.-History:...
Armoured vehicles long after they had fallen out of use with the regular army they were still being used by the Cyprus Armoured Squadron well into the mid 1980s. A even stranger situation developed when the resident Royal Air ForceRoyal Air ForceThe Royal Air Force is the United Kingdom's air force, the oldest independent air force in the world. Formed on 1 April 1918, the RAF has taken a significant role in British military history ever since, playing a large part in World War II and in more recent conflicts.The RAF operates almost 1,109...
(RAF) Regiment Squadron was equipped with FV101 ScorpionFV101 ScorpionThe FV101 Scorpion is a British light tank, part of the Combat Vehicle Reconnaissance or, CVR family. The full design name is Combat Vehicle Reconnaissance Fire Support . Manufactured by Alvis Vickers it was introduced into service with the British Army in 1973 and served until 1994.More than...
and FV103 SpartanFV103 SpartanFV103 Spartan is a British Army armoured personnel carrier.Spartan is the APC member of the CVR family. It has capacity for 5 men in addition to 2 crew...
CVRT at RAF Akrotiri for airfield defence meant that the RAF had better armoured vehicles than resident Army units. The last British Army unit to train soldiers in the use of the Ferret was 1st Bn. Royal Irish regiment at Episkopi during 1992, and being finally withdrawn in 1994, being replaced by Saxon APC.
http://www.absoluteastronomy.com/topics/British_Forces_Cyprus
 
GK .Dundas said:
Well  you may not believe this but we almost bought the turret for a light recce tank based on the Bobcat APC

Hmmm might have to photoshop that!!! Thanks you both for the info.
 
GK .Dundas said:
Well  you may not believe this but we almost bought the turret for a light recce tank based on the Bobcat APC

Are you sure about that? According to this website only three versions of the Bobcat were envisioned; two APC variants and a self-propelled gun variant.

 
Getting back to Colin's original questions, while I don't have any specific information on Canada's interest in the Saladin, I do know that the Fox and Scorpion (the British Army's designated replacements for the Ferret and Saladin) were trialed by the CF between August 1970 and April 1971.

According to an article in the 1970 edition of 'The Strathconian', in August of that year Captain Bob Caldwell headed a team that traveled to Bovington to trial both vehicles at the RAC Centre for four months.  Just before Christmas two of the Foxes and two Scorpions were brought to Canada to undergo winter trials at Wainwright (January to March, 1971).

In Canadian use the Fox was to be a possible replacement for the Ferret (it was after all just a Ferret IV with an up-gunned turret) while the Scorpion was to be introduced as the DFSV (Direct Fire Support Vehicle), a new requirement for the Canadian-based armoured regiments of 1970.

The article in 'The Strathconian' indicates that the winter trials went well and the personnel involved were generally happy with the results, but the trials were to continue on in the UK.  Whether these two vehicles fit the bill or not, we know now that neither were adopted.  The Ferret continued on until after the 1976 Olympics in Montreal, and no DFSV was ever acquired.

As to the Vixen, well, it was a non-starter.  Not even the British Army bought it.

I believe the reason the Canadian Army did not purchase the Saladin when it purchased the Ferret is due to, as you guessed, doctrine.  The British Army employed the Ferret / Saladin combination in its Armoured Car Regiments, which are a Corps-level asset.  During the post-war years the Canadian Army was concentrating on a Division structure.  This required armoured car reconnaissance only in the armoured regiment, where the tank could provide any heavy support required.  When the Army did organize an armoured car regiment in 1964, it was an all Ferret organization.

Hope this helps.

Cheers,
Dan.
 
While we did not buy any Saladin/Saracen our firetrucks in Lahr and Baden airfields
were built by Alvis and used the same chassis,running gear.Toward the end of their
lives they became a bit of a maintenance nightmare and were replaced by Oshkosh
firetrucks.The Oshkosh was a big improvement in most areas but if an aircraft had
gone off the runway into that wet German grass the Alvis would have been able to
get close to it ,I am not sure the Oshkosh could.
I was in Montreal 202 Wksp. when the development work on the Bobcat was being
done and there was a hanger full of wooden mockups of various versions and I am
sure there was one with a turret that closely resembled the one on the Saladin.
                                                    Regards
 
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