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We will never trust you again

Not according to the AG Report. Millions of dollars, handed out by liberals, broke conflict of interest rules with liberal MPs funneling money to companies they were connected with. That is only one point of government malfeasance. There are many more listed. Tell me, how much of that money was recovered?

So not so much debunked as clarified and confirmed by the Attorney General

Anyway, we're getting off the original topic so I will abstain from any further derai
All of that is true except for the part where liberals were involved in any sort of "money funneling". No liberals were involved in where the money went. The government wasn't involved at all in where the money went. Even @cbh can back me up on this one. And the reason this is "on topic" is that if you are still using this is an example of "clear cut government corruption", despite all the research on I've shared on this site, then I question the validity of any of your claims of knowledge of corruption.
 
So all the time we in the CAF were told we had to be ethical…by politicians who may or may not have been.
Hmmm makes you wonder why we joined somedays.
 
reported a net worth of up to $30 million
so not $30 million but a max of $30 million, and it could be as low as $6 million. And those numbers represent her husband's businesses. Sounds like her husband is a successful business man, I thought that was a good thing?
 
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Everytime the Americans exported freedom somewhere McDonald's, Coca-Cola, Levis and Nike followed. It's been a minute since the Cold War, but people forget how much of a status symbol American brands were. And everything culturally American. From American cars to Hollywood movies. Even today, the world will watch YouTube videos on their iPhones while sipping Starbucks and flying on a Boeing to their next vacation. Being all about free markets enabled this. But if they become transactional like Russia and China, it's hard to imagine how this kind of model can be sustained.
The US doesn't have to "export freedom"; it never had to, but especially does not have to in the internet age. "Exporting freedom" was an excuse for the interventionism that eventually pissed off enough independents and Republicans to shift the political ground. (The Democrats were mostly always already there; for decades almost every attempt to "export freedom" was characterized by them as propping up right-wing regimes to resist the global march of the wonders of socialism.)

All the US needs is for US companies to do whatever it is they do.
 
China may or may not succeed at what it is trying to do, which is create vassals. This works approximately until the vassal has to choose between paying the Chinese master or ending the squeeze on its own people that is necessary to pay the Chinese master (in order to prevent being torn apart by its own people).

China is more likely to end up with a lot of sunk capital abroad and not much to show for it.
 
Curious that Biden is not on the list.

Really accomplished grifters start "foundations" and then use the "foundations" much as some people use their companies to buy "company cars".
Only because I forgot to include Biden, but yeah, I missed the all memes saying how good a businessman he was, too, if he came away from the presidency worth more than when he came in.
 
China may or may not succeed at what it is trying to do, which is create vassals. This works approximately until the vassal has to choose between paying the Chinese master or ending the squeeze on its own people that is necessary to pay the Chinese master (in order to prevent being torn apart by its own people).

China is more likely to end up with a lot of sunk capital abroad and not much to show for it.

Except that the US is now doing exactly what the Chinese do. And less competently I might add. Beyond the Pacific, the Chinese don't seem to care much about values or geopolitics. Whatever gets them a trade surplus is the general rule.

It's not that the Americans exported freedom. I was being a bit sarcastic. It's that they supported free markets and free speech. Increasingly though, Trump and co want to adopt the Chinese model. And they are doing so just as the world is starting to reject the Chinese model. This article recently is making the rounds on the crux of the problem:

China is making trade impossible China is making trade impossible

The Americans adopting the same strategy will fail. And it won't leave them stronger. It's just going to cede more political room to China and probably make the world poorer.

Going back to the actual topic of this thread, let's not pretend this Administration is serious. They spent pages in their National Security Strategy talking about "Civilizational Collapse" in Europe, a continent where war is raging due to Russian aggression. To say they have lost the plot is an understatement. We need to stop pretending we have serious counterparties there to deal with.
 
Except that the US is now doing exactly what the Chinese do. And less competently I might add. Beyond the Pacific, the Chinese don't seem to care much about values or geopolitics. Whatever gets them a trade surplus is the general rule.
I would add industrial espionage and tech/IP theft.
It's not that the Americans exported freedom. I was being a bit sarcastic. It's that they supported free markets and free speech. Increasingly though, Trump and co want to adopt the Chinese model. And they are doing so just as the world is starting to reject the Chinese model. This article recently is making the rounds on the crux of the problem:

China is making trade impossible China is making trade impossible

The Americans adopting the same strategy will fail. And it won't leave them stronger. It's just going to cede more political room to China and probably make the world poorer.
We are already seeing the world view them in a similar fashion to China. I imagine at the end of the the Trump term that this view will be cemented.
Going back to the actual topic of this thread, let's not pretend this Administration is serious. They spent pages in their National Security Strategy talking about "Civilizational Collapse" in Europe, a continent where war is raging due to Russian aggression. To say they have lost the plot is an understatement. We need to stop pretending we have serious counterparties there to deal with.
The lunatics are running the asylum. We are seeing the results.
 
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There's a specific turning point in all the polling that you can identify when America broke. 2003. Before the invasion of Iraq most polls said America was moving in the right direction.. Post-invasion Americans haven't had a single year where those polls said the country was moving in the right direction.

Iraq is the gift that keeps on giving. And unfortunately all the people involved in selling that terrible decision were mostly rehabilitated in public. Just imagine what the trillions wasted on Iraq could have done for the average American. Or how Afghanistan would have turned out if the Americans weren't distracted with Iraq.

The folks who convinced that nation and those who followed to invade Iraq in 2003 should be tried, drawn and quartered.

I have no empirical evidence, but having lived through that time I can say 9/11 and the Iraq invasion of 2003 is where all this started... Its where the world world changed and led us here...
 
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The folks who convinced that nation and those who followed to invade Iraq in 2003 should be tried, drawn and quartered.

I have no empirical evidence, but having lived through that time I can say 9/11 and the Iraq invasion of 2003 is where all this started... Its where the world world changed and led us here...

Aside from what I said about polling. Since Iraq, the US has lurched from one crisis to the next and increasingly with fewer resources to address any of this.
 

This really is an excellent piece. And I get the sense that a lot of people commenting in this thread haven't read it. That Americans are forbidden from attending global forums is some BS. That they are surprised that the rest of the world is calling out their shit is actually kinda funny. That even Democratic politicians are surprised is almost shocking to me. How ignorant could they be?
 
This really is an excellent piece. And I get the sense that a lot of people commenting in this thread haven't read it. That Americans are forbidden from attending global forums is some BS. That they are surprised that the rest of the world is calling out their shit is actually kinda funny. That even Democratic politicians are surprised is almost shocking to me. How ignorant could they be?
Another point that I found interesting is the fact he references that a number of active duty US military officials still attended the event in a non-official manner. That they were they under their own initiative. I take that as a huge positive. Those are senior individuals who see the lunacy of the decision by the DoD to not attend but they chose to ignore it and attend anyways.
 
This really is an excellent piece. And I get the sense that a lot of people commenting in this thread haven't read it. That Americans are forbidden from attending global forums is some BS. That they are surprised that the rest of the world is calling out their shit is actually kinda funny. That even Democratic politicians are surprised is almost shocking to me. How ignorant could they be?

A key element in all of this is the lack of self-awareness of the politcal class in the States in particular and the West in general. Trunps happen when the leaders diverge too far from the led. Some folks liked a weekly hellfire and damnation sermon as an entertainment. A steady diet of it while being taxed to the gills and dragooned into faraway wars is wearing. Then they top it all off by telling folks they are doing it all wrong, that they are nasty people who need to live their lives differently.

Revolutions happen.
 
They spent pages in their National Security Strategy talking about "Civilizational Collapse" in Europe, a continent where war is raging due to Russian aggression. To say they have lost the plot is an understatement. We need to stop pretending we have serious counterparties there to deal with.
Conservative Americans (at least) are exposed to stories of misdeeds (eg. "rape gangs") by immigrants/migrants, anti-semitism, and official attempts to control information flow emerging from Europe. There are substantive facts at the bottom of these things, and it's also reasonable to suppose that in some cases matters have been disproportionately amplified. The net effect is they (Americans) aren't impressed. At the least, if it's true that officialdom has reached the point of cautioning Jews and women that some areas are no-go, a problem has emerged. All that's left to pick over is how bad it is and what to do about it. Denial of the problem is no longer realistic.

War is raging in Ukraine, which is a very finite part of Europe. The most that can be asserted about the rest of Europe is that they're looking to improve military preparedness; they aren't on the verge of intervening on Ukraine's behalf and the theory that Putin will directly attack a NATO member is fringe bait.
 
I am going to say...this is nothing new.

America has, time after time, decade after decade, century after century, shown that they are not in line or in tune with western values.

Slavery, one of the last to get rid of it, and it took 750k dead.

WW1, it took the threat of Mexico joining the central powers to galvanize the Americans.

WW2, it took Pearl Harbor. Hitler running rampant in Europe...meh. Japan touching their boats, nuke and bomb everything.

Post WW2, they were running around with Jim Crow laws until the 1960s.

And when they took a leadership role, the west looked at them like they were nuts. Vietnam, nuts. Iraq 2003, nuts.

The USA isn't a global power that has two way flow of ideas. It exports its ideas and resists foreign ones. 40 percent of Americans have never left the USA, 10 percent of Americans have never left their own state. The Americans don't, by in large, know the world outside their own borders.

So America going off the rails is simply it reverting to the mean. It's still an incredibly brain dead and stupid course of action, but America has done it before and will do it again. The post world war 2 order built by the USA was an arberation.

So with that said, while the USA is in its self-immolation phase, its less what they are doing and what the world does in response.

China has already filled the US soft power role, and will continue to do so as the opinion, trust, global image and reputation of the USA continues to free fall. China, with it's financial reserves can do this in a way the west, debt ridden and lacking initiative simply cannot. Africa and South America will be Chinas playground, not the US or Europe. Asia will too, to an extent. Those that aren't in beijings line of fire will welcome the trade and investment, those that are will continue to distrust them, but make no mistake, China is the real winner here. They are the only nation that has proven that they can go toe to toe with the USA on the trade and diplomatic front and not blink, which makes China a soft power superpower.

Europe has a massive opportunity here. They have the financial and industrial capacity to go toe to toe with the USA, same as China. What they lack is the political will. But Europe, post WW2 has played the good partner with the USA only because they lived through 700 years of infighting and having the Americans as a external power to back made more sense than starting to squabble about which European power was going to dominate the rest. Germany purposely held back militarily, the UK offloaded its global responsibilities, France accepted German economic might, all the rest played nice because the big 3 were playing nice, and the big three played nice because they accepted America's role as a leading power. With the USA now pulling out of that role, Europe can go back to squabbling or they can finish the European project and reclaim it's status as a leading power. The Europe that conquered the world didn't just die, it was exhaused and put down the sword. That old Europe can now pick it back up and instead of focusing it outwards, focus it inwards. Integrated European Army. Fast track approval of European Armies throught Europe via strategic corridors. Joint borrowing. Joint military purchases. Get European economy of scale up and running. Rebuild their arm industries. Intergrate their arm industries. Europe doesn't need 3-5 different fighters, it needs 1 or 2. Europe doesn't need 10 different tanks, it needs 2 or 3. Get everyone working together and financially starve the rest. A further intergrated Europe can easily shrug off the Americans and keep Ukraine fighting for another 10 years if it needed to given it's financial and hard power. A EU with 27 member states, of which the Americans can pick off one or two to derail the project never can.

Canada with it's geography will always be heavily influenced by the USA, but it doesn't need to be a vassal state. We have two oceans, and soon a third will be opening up for trade. We need to improve our infrastructure and networds away from a north south model and more to a east west model. And no, I'm not talking provinces trading with each other, although that helps. I'm talking getting goods on ships and trading to Europe and Asia. Anything Canada can do to decouple ourselves from the USA has to be done, and fast. The biggest threat is the Americans put on the mask that they are normal in 2028. They are not. As discussed earlier, they have usually been offside of the rest of the western world, and MAGA isn't going away. There are more extreme versions of Trump waiting out there, and the MAGA takeover of the Republican party isn't going to be undone. President Nick Fuentes is a possibility down the line. So Canada needs to accept the fact that anti trade, anti west politicans like JD Vance may be in power, if not in 2028, then 2032. The biggest error Canada made was thinking Trump was a one time phenomenon, and that Biden represented the norm. Biden was a outlier, MAGA is the norm. So pipelines to coasts, more port expansions, more road networks to ports, more trade via CETA and TPP, more strategic partnerships outside of the USA. The time to partner with SAAB and intergrate into the European sphere isn't now, it was in 2018-2019, but it's better late than never. Canada is fortunate that so much of what we sell to the USA is wanted all around the world and we should do everything in our power to shift away from the USA as much as we can before 2036. 2036 being the date CUSMA actually expires. If we haven't moved away from the USA by then, when President JD Vance could be in his second term then we are truly cooked as a nation. For far too long we have traded with the USA because it was easy. Build a road, build a pipeline, lay some power line, and accept to the worlds biggest economy was at our fingertips. We need to prepare for a world where CUSMA dies a real death in 2036, and all that ease of access is gone. So we have two choices. Be fully integrated in the global economy or become a US vassal state.

Ukraine and Taiwan. Unless Europe steps up, Ukraine is finished. A good test to see if Europe means to get serious again is what happens when the USA washes its hands of the conflict. If Europe can step up and fill the gap, that's a great sign that the old continent is waking up. If Ukraine is slowly beaten down with the lack of US arms and ammo, then it's clear the EU is still just pinning their hopes that the USA will save their bacon. NATO, for all intents and purposes, is dead. If Russia attacks in the baltics, the USA will provide arms and ammo, that's it. No US battalions rushing through German to fight the Russians, Red Storm Rising style. Limited US support at most, washing their hands at worse. Which should be fine, Russia has the GDP of Italy, or Canada. Europe should be able to smack the Russian back to moscow easier than Napoleon or Hitler. Should. If it's 27 member states running around with their hair on fire Russia will absolutely eat the Baltics, and then try their hand at Poland. Taiwan is more screwed. MAGA cares about containing China, but I don't think they have any desire to fight China. Taiwan will get arms and Ammo, but they will be blockaded by the Chinese Navy. Every tank, every drone, every drop of oil, once Taiwan expends it, they are never getting it back. China will grind them down, despite horrific losses. China is looking at the Russia Ukraine war and learning one lesson. As long as they are willing to stomach the casualties, they will win. Russia is grinding down Ukraine despite Europe and the USA before Trump supplying them by land. Taiwan, needing to be supplied by sea, will die. Nobody is stepping up if the USA doesn't, nobody has the Navy to fight the Chinese other than the USA. The tell here is the US rush to build semiconductors in the USA. They don't see TSMC being around much longer.

The Americans have signalled to the world that it really doesn't give a damn anymore, traditional enemies are partners, allies are enemies, and guarantees mean absolutely nothing. And this isn't just a trump thing. Biden slow dripped Ukraine arms and ammo to avoid "escalation" with russia. By the time Ukraine got what they needed Russia was sitting on 20 percent of their country. This is what the USA is. Selfish, self centered, ignorant and proud of it. The sooner the world wakes up to this reality, the better.
 
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