Weapon Myths
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"COBRA-6 is so gangsta, he mounts the sights on the side of his glock yo!"
- Seen the Sierra Leonean urban firing stance competition PowerPoint? Includes such classics as the
"Glock Foe-Tay". Extra points were awarded for blue duct-taped magazines and flourescent orange life jackets worn like body armour.
- Seen the Sierra Leonean urban firing stance competition PowerPoint? Includes such classics as the
"Glock Foe-Tay". Extra points were awarded for blue duct-taped magazines and flourescent orange life jackets worn like body armour.
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I have one.
"The C7 can't use metal mags as it was specially modified to only use plastic mags"
"The C7 can't use metal mags as it was specially modified to only use plastic mags"
Mortar guy
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Gee COBRA-6, what's the Bottle Route range? >
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Okay..EVERYBODY KNOWS!! That the BEST house clearing weapon is a Cap Trooper in his Marauder Suit!!! ;D :rocket:
Not to mention we all know never to give a newly commissioned 2Lt or even a senior Lt a rifle
that's what their security detail's for....right? :blotto:
Not to mention we all know never to give a newly commissioned 2Lt or even a senior Lt a rifle
that's what their security detail's for....right? :blotto:
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"If you don't ensure that you have placed the cocking handle fully forward once the C6 is cocked, the cocking handle will be stuck to the bolt moving forward and back when ever it is fired." MCpl
"If you find that you are in a minefield, the first think you do is warn others to stop, then kneel down on the spot, then clear a one metre safety zone." Sgt
"The M67 fragmentation grenade will kill everything within a few metres of it explosion point and has a danger range of 10 metres. If you are within 10 metres you are in danger, beyond that you are safe due to the conical blast pattern of the grenade." Cpl
"The 5.56 mm NATO round is the best person killing round out there." WO
"The accuwedge(little orange rubber chunk) will extend the life of the C7." DND publication
As far as rounds fitting in soviet guns. Obviously you cannot fit a 5.56 mm NATO round in a weapon that chambers 7.62x39 and neither would the 7.62x51. But how about mortars? If wikipedia is of any use at all, it claims is it possible to fire a NATO 81 mm mortar round from a soviet 82 mm mortar (with significant accuracy loss of course).
"If you find that you are in a minefield, the first think you do is warn others to stop, then kneel down on the spot, then clear a one metre safety zone." Sgt
"The M67 fragmentation grenade will kill everything within a few metres of it explosion point and has a danger range of 10 metres. If you are within 10 metres you are in danger, beyond that you are safe due to the conical blast pattern of the grenade." Cpl
"The 5.56 mm NATO round is the best person killing round out there." WO
"The accuwedge(little orange rubber chunk) will extend the life of the C7." DND publication
As far as rounds fitting in soviet guns. Obviously you cannot fit a 5.56 mm NATO round in a weapon that chambers 7.62x39 and neither would the 7.62x51. But how about mortars? If wikipedia is of any use at all, it claims is it possible to fire a NATO 81 mm mortar round from a soviet 82 mm mortar (with significant accuracy loss of course).
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Are those more myth's? I like the wedge thingy, my weapon doesnt rattle as much ( no idea about it extending its life )
-grenades in general are not like hollywood, and I believe more PenDam's or demonstrations with them need to be done to show the troops just what the do/don't do ( having seen first hand it can take 2-3 to quell a noisy room )--a good friend of mine survived a grenade thrown at him by a TB while we were in Panjawi, was back in action fast
-the 5.56 Nato round is fine, again I think we get 'hollywoodified' about what happens when someone is hit by a bullet, when someone, anyone, is hit when they are keyed up on adrenaline or drugs, they arent going down fast.
- as an old mortar dog I've seen some things done in the interest of....science, but never mixing ammo, dunno what would happen there.
- minefield, well drills are drills
-grenades in general are not like hollywood, and I believe more PenDam's or demonstrations with them need to be done to show the troops just what the do/don't do ( having seen first hand it can take 2-3 to quell a noisy room )--a good friend of mine survived a grenade thrown at him by a TB while we were in Panjawi, was back in action fast
-the 5.56 Nato round is fine, again I think we get 'hollywoodified' about what happens when someone is hit by a bullet, when someone, anyone, is hit when they are keyed up on adrenaline or drugs, they arent going down fast.
- as an old mortar dog I've seen some things done in the interest of....science, but never mixing ammo, dunno what would happen there.
- minefield, well drills are drills
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COBRA-6 said:
Yes, the PKM round is the one that they must have been refering to.
Ref, the NATO 81mm and RS/WP 82mm mortar rounds, that is another story that has been around since at the early 1980's. Apparently, this would allow the Russians to fire our ammo but we would not be able to fire theirs. Although it sounds practical, a 1 millimeter difference does make an impact on reliability. The ring around the mortar may not be able to engage the barrel rifling. This would result in loss of propelling gasses escaping around the mortar (decreasing range) and loss of spin imparted by the rifling (thus loss of accuracy). Although it technically could be done I wouldnt want to be part of the unit being supported by a mortars det using improper ammunition.
Centurian1985,
Unless things have changed since I retired, 81mm mortars, and presumably 82s as well, are smoothbores. Obturation (the containment of propellant gases) is done by means of a band that expands and seals the bore once the charge is ignited. Think piston rings in an internal combustion engine. Therefore the bomb does not rotate, and is stablized in flight by the fins.
Hopefully VG or one of the other mortar guys can put their donuts down and confirm or refute my statement. In the meantime, dinner hour nears and I am off for a beer.
Unless things have changed since I retired, 81mm mortars, and presumably 82s as well, are smoothbores. Obturation (the containment of propellant gases) is done by means of a band that expands and seals the bore once the charge is ignited. Think piston rings in an internal combustion engine. Therefore the bomb does not rotate, and is stablized in flight by the fins.
Hopefully VG or one of the other mortar guys can put their donuts down and confirm or refute my statement. In the meantime, dinner hour nears and I am off for a beer.
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I am not aware of any 81/82 mm mortar with rifling (conventional, muzzle-loading systems). As for 120 mm systems, the most commonly recognized rifled mortar is the Thomson-Brandt RT-61. Turkey (HY 12 DI) also had one and the US 4.2" (M30) had a rifled bore. I am working with notes a few years old, so there may have been recent changes.
For obturation in the smooth-bored mortars, the "expanding ring" is usually a plastic ring with a long oblique slice in one side. This ring rests in a groove, the lower side of which is sloped to the tail of the bomb. When the round accelerates on firing, the ring slips down the sloped side of the groove and is forced open to the wider diameter, and in contact with, the bore of the barrel.
For the rifled systems, my own familiarity is from reviewing documents on the RT-61, the rifled rounds had a pre-engraved metal driving band that needed to be fed into the bore propoerly aligned. This mortar, and I suspect other rifled mortars, could also fire smooth bored ammunition, but with less range and a less efficient obturation system.
For obturation in the smooth-bored mortars, the "expanding ring" is usually a plastic ring with a long oblique slice in one side. This ring rests in a groove, the lower side of which is sloped to the tail of the bomb. When the round accelerates on firing, the ring slips down the sloped side of the groove and is forced open to the wider diameter, and in contact with, the bore of the barrel.
For the rifled systems, my own familiarity is from reviewing documents on the RT-61, the rifled rounds had a pre-engraved metal driving band that needed to be fed into the bore propoerly aligned. This mortar, and I suspect other rifled mortars, could also fire smooth bored ammunition, but with less range and a less efficient obturation system.
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He wasn't refering to a 7.62 X 54mm I was holding a C1A1 when he said it. He said an AK-47 round would feed into it, about a minute eariler he was showing us the AK he was refereing to the 7.62X39mm
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