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What is the test

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Maybe some of you new guys can answer this. What is the physical test for entry into the Forces? When I joined I only did a medical and then did my physical on the first day of Basic. It appears to be done differently every year and by every area. Also, is it done the same for both Res and Reg?

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Good morning,

Being a recent addition to the Forces I can hopefully answer this. The physical test for entry is the EXPRES test w/ the step test instead of the 20m shuttle run. It requires for males under 35: 19 push ups, 19 sit ups, 75kg handgrip and what seems like a little bit of easy stepping(?).

There is a still a test during the first week of basic, and it‘s surpring that people continue to fail it at St-Jean despite the entry physical. The biggest difference is the quality of push-ups; they simply aren‘t counted at St-Jean if they‘re not to form.

For the Reg F it is certainly a national requirement, everybody on course this summer had to do it. For the Res F I‘m pretty sure it is also mandatory, as all the reservists I‘ve met had to do it as a reqirement. All remember the great music during the step test. :)

Anyways, i‘m sure somebody else will answer your question better if I‘m somehow wrong here.

-Milligan
 
Judging from the shape I see a lot of the reservists are in these days, I wouldn‘t really worry too much about the physical test. They look pretty rough. I don‘t know if many of them could handle a 3 km run, let alone 19 push ups. I know for ncm‘s, the only physcial test they are required to pass (reserves) is the 13 km ruck march...which is done on even terrain now.

Certainly not the fitness the army was known for in the past.
 
Digger...I mis understood the question. my former response isn‘t really relative.

As a returning member, the test I need to do is 19 pushups, a step test and a hand grip test. I heard a rumoour about a shuttle run, but this has not been implemented. You can getthe details on the recruiting site.When I served before in 1993/4, we had no entry, but did have to pass a chin up (6), pushup (19) and Sit up (19) test, plus the ruck march (13 km) while on course.

Cheers!
 
There is no 13k ruck march thing any more.

The max ruck I did this summer was... 7k.
Standards go lower again.
 
Despite what people may think about the fitness of the reserves, the physical entry requirements are the same for both reg force AND reserves. The 19 pushup, 19 situp thing needs to be done by everyone (unless you‘re female, then it‘s 9 pushups and 15 situpes). They‘re still doing the step test as the entry requirement, but they‘re going back to the shuttle run... to be implemented sometime soon. The reserves may not do the 13km ruck march every year the way the regs do, and yes, there are people who‘s physical fitness is lacking, but that isn‘t just in the MO. I saw a reg force RMS clerk who was about 5‘2" and about 350-400 pounds. Don‘t tell me that she could‘ve done it.

As for standards going down, people have been saying that about training since the dawn of time "Oh, it was so much harder when I did it." My grandfather was told that by the ‘old boys‘ when he joined in 1939. Everyone talks longingly about the old days, and how much harder it was, and how everything sucks now and we‘re not training people as well as we used to. Either the old soldiers were absolutely murdered during training, going through the most rigorous training in the history of combat, or things aren‘t really that bad.
 
So let me get this straight. there is a step test that you have to do in under 12 minutes, for a total distance of 2.4 kms.... So is this a step machine like they at the gym or is it an actually a step of steps; that have to go up and down on?

What was it like before they made all the changes? From the sounds of it; it must of been a lot of harder.

Dave
 
the steps are real steps, no machine

as for "before", the standards change all the time; sometimes they required chinups, other times you needed to do a run, sometimes they did the PT 400 test (long story), but what they‘re trying to do now is level the playing field a little: allow the units and the courses to put the emphasis on PT, which puts more stress on the units. However, if you‘re joining combat arms and can‘t even lift your own body weight, you might not even pass your courses. However, the CSS courses put WAY less emphasis on PT, and just make it an individual responsibility.

I‘m not going to say which policy is right or wrong, but if you‘re not fit enough to do the job, you‘ll reap the whirlwind sooner or later.
 
I can understand not setting the standard too high for new recruits. However, once excepted in, it should be made clear what will be expected of them come day one of thier basic.

PS...I am having a hard time picturing this Step test....more input please....!
 
picture 2 steps against a wall. some music starts and you go up and down the steps to the music

right foot on first step
left foot on 2nd step
right foot on 2nd step
and so on

up, up, together
down, down, together

you keep doing this to the time of the music for a few minutes, then the person stops you and takes your blood pressure & pulse. You do it again, at a faster pace, blood pressure/pulse. They let you rest for a few minutes and check BP/pulse again. This checks your heart‘s ability to cope with stress, and then your recovery rate. Does this help?
 
In the reserves now, it‘s more the responsibility of the individual to stay in good shape on thier own...

I had to do the standard physical (19 pushups, 19 situps in under 1 min, 75kg handgrip and the step test) during recruiting, and on the first couple of days of basic, we did it again but replaced the step test with the shuttle run..
 
Okay the step test makes more sence now. I was trying to figure out how on earth I was going to that for 2.4 kms. So its more of a heart rate test then.
 
about the push-ups, can you describe them? i‘ve heard that your hands are to be about armpit wide and that you need to touch your nose to the ground. is this true? personally, i don‘t think this is too hard, but how fussy are they about them? when did they get rid of the 3k run? i‘ve been looking forward to it.
 
It depends on where you go, the standards are a little different. Your hands should be slightly further apart than your armpits, and you should move down until your arms are bent at a 90 degree angle. Another good way is to put a stack of books about 4-5" high under your chest, and come down until your chest touches it. Also, make sure your body is straight, your head is up, and you‘re not "humping the ground"... I‘m sure you can picture this one yourself. Also, make sure not to stick your butt in the air... they hate that!
 
When doing push-ups, do your elbows have to be in tight to your sides, or sticking outwards, or does it even matter?
 
as long as you go all the way down and all the way up, I don‘t think they‘ll care if your elbows bend backwards (through they might be interested to know that on the medical ;) )
 
I have done a couple of tests with the PSP over the last few months and there is one thing that I have learned is important...FORM FORM FORM. If your form is bad you will get double counted. Nothing more frustraing when your doing pushups and the tester is counting "35...35...35...36...36". However, there is some inconsistancies between testers, , some are more picky then others. So get your form down, visit your local PSP and get them to show you the "Protocol" of how they want to see it done.
 
Despite what people may think about the fitness of the reserves, the physical entry requirements are the same for both reg force AND reserves. The 19 pushup, 19 situp thing needs to be done by everyone (unless you‘re female, then it‘s 9 pushups and 15 situpes). They‘re still doing the step test as the entry requirement, but they‘re going back to the shuttle run... to be implemented sometime soon. The reserves may not do the 13km ruck march every year the way the regs do, and yes, there are people who‘s physical fitness is lacking, but that isn‘t just in the MO. I saw a reg force RMS clerk who was about 5‘2" and about 350-400 pounds. Don‘t tell me that she could‘ve done it.

As for standards going down, people have been saying that about training since the dawn of time "Oh, it was so much harder when I did it." My grandfather was told that by the ‘old boys‘ when he joined in 1939. Everyone talks longingly about the old days, and how much harder it was, and how everything sucks now and we‘re not training people as well as we used to. Either the old soldiers were absolutely murdered during training, going through the most rigorous training in the history of combat, or things aren‘t really that bad.
Amen.
 
I just did all my testing last saturday.

Push ups: You had to just go down to 90 degrees and touch the tester‘s hand. He counts.

Sit ups: You had someone holding your feet and you did as many as possibly with your hands behind your head.

Step Test: That thing was just lame. However, I am trying to locate an mp3 of the song.
 
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