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Danjanou said:
That was 3 Mech Cdo when I was there in the early 70's
Which of these airbases is the old CFB Lahr?
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That was 3 Mech Cdo when I was there in the early 70's
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Scary how similar in design both of these places are:
http://maps.google.com/maps?ll=48.36925,7.827722&spn=0.03,0.03&q=48.36925,7.827722
and
http://maps.google.ca/maps?f=q&hl=en&geocode=&q=Lahr,+bavaria,+Germany&sll=47.74902,7.720299&sspn=0.168746,0.307617&ie=UTF8&t=h&ll=47.893212,7.633781&spn=0.086901,0.153809&z=13&iwloc=addr
Well then again... maybe not. They aren't all that far away from each other.
Nites
http://maps.google.com/maps?ll=48.36925,7.827722&spn=0.03,0.03&q=48.36925,7.827722
and
http://maps.google.ca/maps?f=q&hl=en&geocode=&q=Lahr,+bavaria,+Germany&sll=47.74902,7.720299&sspn=0.168746,0.307617&ie=UTF8&t=h&ll=47.893212,7.633781&spn=0.086901,0.153809&z=13&iwloc=addr
Well then again... maybe not. They aren't all that far away from each other.
Nites
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geo said:Heh....
Ubique to the Engineers = Everywhere
Ubique to the Gunners = All over the place >
CHIMO!
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There is my Friday, end of the week chuckle I was in need of! 8)
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Danjanou said:
Even older than George! That's one reason I went to Ottawa, so that I would have people like ERC and OS to hang around ;D
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OLD SWEAT, I think you are correct as far as the number of
CF104s are concerned but the losses of percentages of aircraft
in service are comparable with the Luftwaffe,somewhere near
a quarter of the total were lost by both the RCAF and the Luftwaffe.
The Canadian pilots seemed more adept at making a Martin-Baker
exit as they had far fewer fatalities than the Germans.
Incidentally the NATO standard upgraded HAS were for the use
of flyover F14 squadron from Seymore-Johnson AFB, practiced
a couple of year in the early 80s,exercise Crested Cap I think it
was called.
Regards
CF104s are concerned but the losses of percentages of aircraft
in service are comparable with the Luftwaffe,somewhere near
a quarter of the total were lost by both the RCAF and the Luftwaffe.
The Canadian pilots seemed more adept at making a Martin-Baker
exit as they had far fewer fatalities than the Germans.
Incidentally the NATO standard upgraded HAS were for the use
of flyover F14 squadron from Seymore-Johnson AFB, practiced
a couple of year in the early 80s,exercise Crested Cap I think it
was called.
Regards
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OLD SWEAT,I am not sure the RCAF ever used it in the interceptor role
in Europe, as far as I remember as soon as the 104 replaced the Sabre
they went to the nuclear strike role and then sometime in the late 70s
to recce and ground attack.The aircraft was very unforgiving and flying
in these latter roles must have been a great challenge to the pilots,which
explains why the pilots who flew them claim they they were the greatest
thing since sliced bread.
Concerning my last,I of course meant F15s,and the HAS I was referring
to were those in Lahr.
Regards
in Europe, as far as I remember as soon as the 104 replaced the Sabre
they went to the nuclear strike role and then sometime in the late 70s
to recce and ground attack.The aircraft was very unforgiving and flying
in these latter roles must have been a great challenge to the pilots,which
explains why the pilots who flew them claim they they were the greatest
thing since sliced bread.
Concerning my last,I of course meant F15s,and the HAS I was referring
to were those in Lahr.
Regards
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I am sure the RCAF never used the CF104 as an interceptor; however that is what it was originally designed to do. As I recall from the sixties there were a lot of airplanes flying real fast and real low in Germany. Our guys in the Air OP Troop used to develop permanent twitching neck trying to find the next German 104 after the lead passed just overhead, apparently without having seen the Canadian L19 chugging along at two digits of air speed.
I am sure the RCAF never used the CF104 as an interceptor; however that is what it was originally designed to do. As I recall from the sixties there were a lot of airplanes flying real fast and real low in Germany. Our guys in the Air OP Troop used to develop permanent twitching neck trying to find the next German 104 after the lead passed just overhead, apparently without having seen the Canadian L19 chugging along at two digits of air speed.
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OLD SWEAT,yes I remember it well,4 Fd,Wksp.Ft.Chambley 63-66.I even
got a fam.ride in one of your L.19s.The Brits. told the Germans they owned
the air below 20,000ft.and if they didn't like it they shouldn't have lost the
war.Here in the south every day was an airshow, but the really low flying
was over.Now it is like living in a demilitarized zone,all the bases in the area
are closed with the exception of the French at Colmar and I hear it will close
next year.I miss the "sound of freedom".
Regards
got a fam.ride in one of your L.19s.The Brits. told the Germans they owned
the air below 20,000ft.and if they didn't like it they shouldn't have lost the
war.Here in the south every day was an airshow, but the really low flying
was over.Now it is like living in a demilitarized zone,all the bases in the area
are closed with the exception of the French at Colmar and I hear it will close
next year.I miss the "sound of freedom".
Regards
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Colin,
To answer your original question, neither of the maps you provided was for the airfield formerly known as CFB Lahr. You can see it here:
http://maps.google.ca/maps?f=q&hl=en&geocode=&q=Lahr,+bavaria,+Germany&sll=47.74902,7.720299&sspn=0.168746,0.307617&ie=UTF8&t=h&ll=47.893212,7.633781&spn=0.086901,0.153809&z=13&iwloc=addr
The map for the former CFB Baden-Soellingen is here:
http://maps.google.ca/maps?f=q&hl=en&q=Gutenberg+Oberostendorf,+Ostallg%C3%A4u,+Bavaria,+Germany&sll=47.899887,7.619362&sspn=0.084128,0.153809&ie=UTF8&cd=1&geocode=FR-s2wIdvH6jAA&t=h&ll=47.856597,10.629015&spn=0.043481,0.076904&z=14&g=Gutenberg+Oberostendorf,+Ostallg%C3%A4u,+Bavaria,+Germany&iwloc=addr
Note that the town to the north-east of the Baden-Soellingen airfield,even today, is called "Kleinkanada".
According to the book Starfighter (1991) by David Bashow the RCAF purchased 200 single-seat CF-104's and 38 dual-seat CF-104D's. Delivery from Canadair began in 1961. I couldn't find any details as to the final number of accidents involving the aircraft. Hope this helps.
Dan.
To answer your original question, neither of the maps you provided was for the airfield formerly known as CFB Lahr. You can see it here:
http://maps.google.ca/maps?f=q&hl=en&geocode=&q=Lahr,+bavaria,+Germany&sll=47.74902,7.720299&sspn=0.168746,0.307617&ie=UTF8&t=h&ll=47.893212,7.633781&spn=0.086901,0.153809&z=13&iwloc=addr
The map for the former CFB Baden-Soellingen is here:
http://maps.google.ca/maps?f=q&hl=en&q=Gutenberg+Oberostendorf,+Ostallg%C3%A4u,+Bavaria,+Germany&sll=47.899887,7.619362&sspn=0.084128,0.153809&ie=UTF8&cd=1&geocode=FR-s2wIdvH6jAA&t=h&ll=47.856597,10.629015&spn=0.043481,0.076904&z=14&g=Gutenberg+Oberostendorf,+Ostallg%C3%A4u,+Bavaria,+Germany&iwloc=addr
Note that the town to the north-east of the Baden-Soellingen airfield,even today, is called "Kleinkanada".
According to the book Starfighter (1991) by David Bashow the RCAF purchased 200 single-seat CF-104's and 38 dual-seat CF-104D's. Delivery from Canadair began in 1961. I couldn't find any details as to the final number of accidents involving the aircraft. Hope this helps.
Dan.
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exspy said:
No, you're wrong, it's not the old CFB Lahr. The airfield in the link that you provided is located just south of Bad Kronzingen, a community not far (about 10-15 km SW) from Freiburg which is about a half hour (if you drive slow in a German frame of reference) south of Lahr.
"Kleinkanada" used to be the PMQ patch. If I remember correctly, when our mail was home delivered (if using a local German address and postal code) it was considered part of Hugelsheim.
exspy said:
This link also doesn't open an aerial view anywhere near Baden-Soellingen. You may have found them but the links are incorrect.
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EXSPY,That is definitely not Lahr airfield however I believe it is Bremgarten
the home of the Luftwaffe recce wing JG.52 equipped with RF4C Phantoms.
All three of these bases,Baden,Lahr,and Bremgarten,were built by the French
shortly after WW2.Baden was planned to be built right at the edge of the city,
where the Baden civil airstrip is now,there was such a protest from the citizens
of this fair city that the French military gave the German authorities 6 weeks to
find an alternative or the would start with their original plan.A few farmers were
stripped of their land and Baden Soellingen was born.
Regards
the home of the Luftwaffe recce wing JG.52 equipped with RF4C Phantoms.
All three of these bases,Baden,Lahr,and Bremgarten,were built by the French
shortly after WW2.Baden was planned to be built right at the edge of the city,
where the Baden civil airstrip is now,there was such a protest from the citizens
of this fair city that the French military gave the German authorities 6 weeks to
find an alternative or the would start with their original plan.A few farmers were
stripped of their land and Baden Soellingen was born.
Regards
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Guys,
You're right. I think the same happened to me that happened to Colin. When you go searching on Google maps the address doesn't change from the first search made. In other words I started my two searches from the sites that Colin had provided. When I found Lahr and Bad-Soellingen the addresses had not changed so I just inadvertently repeated the sites that Colin had provided.
Please try this one for Lahr:
http://maps.google.ca/maps?f=q&hl=en&geocode=&q=Lahr+Germany&sll=48.037549,12.451522&sspn=0.006872,0.013819&g=Lahr,+bavaria,+Germany&ie=UTF8&ll=48.357846,7.848186&spn=0.054637,0.11055&t=h&z=13
And this one for Baden-Soellingen:
http://maps.google.ca/maps?f=q&hl=en&geocode=&q=kleinkanada+Germany&sll=48.037549,12.451522&sspn=0.006872,0.013819&g=Lahr,+bavaria,+Germany&ie=UTF8&ll=48.779836,8.075895&spn=0.054183,0.11055&t=h&z=13
I think it will work better this time. I apologize for my previous error.
Dan.
You're right. I think the same happened to me that happened to Colin. When you go searching on Google maps the address doesn't change from the first search made. In other words I started my two searches from the sites that Colin had provided. When I found Lahr and Bad-Soellingen the addresses had not changed so I just inadvertently repeated the sites that Colin had provided.
Please try this one for Lahr:
http://maps.google.ca/maps?f=q&hl=en&geocode=&q=Lahr+Germany&sll=48.037549,12.451522&sspn=0.006872,0.013819&g=Lahr,+bavaria,+Germany&ie=UTF8&ll=48.357846,7.848186&spn=0.054637,0.11055&t=h&z=13
And this one for Baden-Soellingen:
http://maps.google.ca/maps?f=q&hl=en&geocode=&q=kleinkanada+Germany&sll=48.037549,12.451522&sspn=0.006872,0.013819&g=Lahr,+bavaria,+Germany&ie=UTF8&ll=48.779836,8.075895&spn=0.054183,0.11055&t=h&z=13
I think it will work better this time. I apologize for my previous error.
Dan.
exspy said:
My copy of Starfighter is three provinces away in my parents' basement so I can't look it up, but I recall that it has an appendix that details the ultimate disposition of each airframe. That would probably be the most reliable source for totals. This website has a list of all ejections from 104's (and many other types of many nations) but I can't say how reliable it is. It lists eighty 104s ejected from in Canadian service. No data on it about crashes where the pilot rode it in.
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time expired said:
Yes, it is Bremgarten, but perhaps you should have said "former home" since it was also closed as a military air base in the early 1990s. It is now a business park. http://www.gewerbepark-breisgau.de/en/standort/index.htm
Hello,
My name is Andrea and I am working on a research project about the ghosts and hauntings at the CFB in Lahr/Germany.
From what I could see so far, there are quite a few people here who’ve been at some point stationed at that base.
I would be really grateful, if you could help me with my research by telling me about the stories you’ve heard, maybe you have even experienced something yourself what seemed to be of paranormal origin, things that you just can’t explain.
If you don’t want to publish these stories here, you can also send them to me per e-mail (andrea@tpf-baden.de) or personal message. I can assure you that no names will be mentioned and every bit of information will be dealt with confidentially.
Thank you,
Andrea
My name is Andrea and I am working on a research project about the ghosts and hauntings at the CFB in Lahr/Germany.
From what I could see so far, there are quite a few people here who’ve been at some point stationed at that base.
I would be really grateful, if you could help me with my research by telling me about the stories you’ve heard, maybe you have even experienced something yourself what seemed to be of paranormal origin, things that you just can’t explain.
If you don’t want to publish these stories here, you can also send them to me per e-mail (andrea@tpf-baden.de) or personal message. I can assure you that no names will be mentioned and every bit of information will be dealt with confidentially.
Thank you,
Andrea
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