Why does the canadian government not expand the navy

[sean m]

I was wondering why the canadian government does not use the same type of marketing campaign it did with the army. Also why does it not focus more monetary funds on improving the navy, since the work with the army has proven to be succesful? For instance having a maritime special operations force would be important, to take some pressure of JTF2, or take the guys who are better at maritime operations and stick them into a navy special forces regiment. This has been brought up in the past but obviously has not gotten anywhere. It seems like an essential area which the Canadian government should focus on.

 

[Michael OLeary]

What do you base your assessment on to declare this to be "essential"?

 

[Nostix]

I would assume for the same reasons many ideas go unrealized around the world.

We live in a world of finite resources. It doesn't matter what your business is, until the need outweighs a lack of money, manpower, popular support, or a combination of the three, it usually isn't going to happen.

 

[Eye In The Sky]

I was wondering why the canadian government does not use the same type of marketing campaign it did with the army.

Which was....?

Also why does it not focus more monetary funds on improving the navy, since the work with the army has proven to be succesful?

Wha?  I guess to answer, I need to know what 'work" with the army you are talking about?  The MBT replacement?  New mortar gloves?  Can you narrow it down some?

For instance having a maritime special operations force would be important,

Ok.  Why? 

to take some pressure of JTF2, or take the guys who are better at maritime operations and stick them into a navy special forces regiment.

Wouldn't you have to know something about JTF2 to determine that? 

Assuming we got this NSF Regiment together...what do we put them in?  Boats from the Shearwater yacht club?

This has been brought up in the past but obviously has not gotten anywhere. It seems like an essential area which the Canadian government should focus on.

*IF* trials were done, and reports written, and read...and nothing came of it, it was probably because someone paid to think about these things determined it was not required, doable or something for some reasons that are not likely going to be posted here.  Same as JTF2 capabilities...those who need to know them, know them.

Capabilities, whether they are naval, land or air, cost money.  Maintaining current levels cost more money each year; adding to them would cost even more.

We can only operate within the budget, and mandate, given to the CF from its proper authorities.

 

[sean m]

It is essential since  this modern era of combat, armies are relying on special forces more and more. a navy special forces unit would permit us to be able to coordinate advance operations thorugh discrete nautical insertion, help in the protection of global activities in all areas (oceans, seas). It would be an essential component of defending canada. If we want to increase our affect on global matters we need a cohesive special operations forces. This is why I believe we should reinstate the paratroop regiment. I believe we are one of the few powers not to have an airborne regiment. But definetly, navy special operations forces should be the first priority.

 

[sean m]

To answer your first question. The ad campaign on television, it has drastically improved the number of people inthe canadian army. I am having a hard time trying to get into the reserves. For you second question, I was referring to spending on the army in general and recrtuiting has improved. there are still difficulties but not as bad as before and not as worse as with the navy now. I answered your third question after in my previous post, sry I wa typing it when you posted. To your fourth, i believe that if one unit has to focus on land and maritime operations for all of it's operators, it would put a strain on manpower for the unit as a whole. Your fifth, I agree they cost money so I believe there should be an attempt made identical to that given to the land forces. I believe Canada has the power to be a more influential player in global activities, we have made moves but need to make more.

Which was....?

Wha?  I guess to answer, I need to know what 'work" with the army you are talking about?  The MBT replacement?  New mortar gloves?  Can you narrow it down some?

Ok.  Why? 

Wouldn't you have to know something about JTF2 to determine that? 

Assuming we got this NSF Regiment together...what do we put them in?  Boats from the Shearwater yacht club?

*IF* trials were done, and reports written, and read...and nothing came of it, it was probably because someone paid to think about these things determined it was not required, doable or something for some reasons that are not likely going to be posted here.  Same as JTF2 capabilities...those who need to know them, know them.

Capabilities, whether they are naval, land or air, cost money.  Maintaining current levels cost more money each year; adding to them would cost even more.

We can only operate within the budget, and mandate, given to the CF from its proper authorities

 

[Eye In The Sky]

It is essential since  this modern era of combat, armies are relying on special forces more and more.

Ok, but why a NAVY special forces.  You mean, like the US SEALS? 

a navy special forces unit would permit us to be able to coordinate advance operations thorugh discrete nautical insertion, help in the protection of global activities in all areas (oceans, seas). It would be an essential component of defending canada.

Again, on all of the above points...HOW?  Its almost like you are spitting out something you recently read in an article or book.  What are these advance ops thru discrete nautical insertion??

If we want to increase our affect on global matters we need a cohesive special operations forces.

Mmmmmmmmmm. ok.  Our SOF is now non-cohesive?

This is why I believe we should reinstate the paratroop regiment. I believe we are one of the few powers not to have an airborne regiment.

I'll agree on that, but probably not for the same reasons you are thinking.  But yes, get the Airborne Regiment back.  Call your MP tomorrow about it.

But definitely, navy special operations forces should be the first priority.

For all of the CF? 

I hope you are open to ummmmmm..."constructive criticism".  >

 

[Eye In The Sky]

I will add this; there is a little voice in my head that thinks you are fishing for some kind of info on current CF SOF capabilities, or something along that line and, around here, people are pretty good about maintaining OPSEC.

So I really think you are fishing without any bait on this topic.  Especially on anything SOF in nature.

 

[sean m]

Yes to do exactly what the seals, SBS, french commando frogmen etc. Thre is no reason why 2nd world countries such as Brazil, Indonesia or the Philipines should have navy special forces and not us.

For your second point, just look at the activites of groups like the seals or SBS, they desabilize the enemy knock out important military elements and provide easier entry for the main landing forces. AS well as completing other missions.

CANSOFCOM is cohesive but we nee to add to it like wtf do we have the CJIRU as a special forces unit. no other united as a bio weapons- bomb squad unit as special forces capable why do we need that, the U.S, Britain etc dont have it... it is not necessary as a spec op unit, only Australia has it.

Fifth and Sixth point, Yes definetly call the MP, do you thik it will ever really happen though. Besides expanding the forces in general yes. What do you think is most important

I am interested in SOF capabilities. I want am interestedlater on in going into HUMINT and hopefully making into the special HUMINT company. This is not why I am asking, I believe that it is important to have navy special forces and was wondering what ppl on here thought about it.

 

[Eye In The Sky]

I think you need to consider something here.

Credibility.  It comes with knowledge, experience and training, IMO.

Unfortunately for you at this time, militarily you have none.

Now...I've been around the CF for 20 years and change, Reserve and Reg Force, Army and Air Force and I don't criticize or offer opinions on our SOF because to do so I'd be out of my lane so far, I couldn't even SEE my lane anymore.

:2c:

 

[Scott]

And locked before this goes right off the rails.

sean, what EITS has said in his last might be the best reply one could muster here. Not that long ago, or perhaps even earlier in the evening, you would have found yourself underneath a very large dogpile for your statements.

Usual caveats

Scott
Army.ca Staff