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Why Europe Keeps Failing........ merged with "EU Seizes Cypriot Bank Accounts"

E.R. Campbell said:
More on "the Greek question" in this article which is reproduced under the Fair Dealing provisions of the Copyright Act from the Financial Times:

http://www.ft.com/intl/cms/s/0/5d767052-fc9a-11e4-800d-00144feabdc0.html#axzz3aOCOZMqq

The Euro, and the whole philosophy of a united Europe upon which it rests are pretty close to be sacred in much of Europe and even the "responsible Europeans" (the Dutch, Germans, Finns) will fight hard to maintain the integrity of the Eurozone. That means they will bend and twist whatever rules are necessary to keep Greece "in" in the Euro.

But, if you look at the numbers, it's hopeless ... and it's equally hopeless, in the near to mid term, for Portugal, Spain, Italy and even France: they cannot (politically) be fiscally responsible, their voters will not accept it.

Right now 19 of the EU's 28 members are in the Eurozone; I think 10 to 15 ("responsible" nations) is about the right number, and that will include a few weak sisters. If the Euro can be made to work, for a decade, by ten, then expand to, one by one; 15, if fifteen can be made to work for another decade then expand again, one at a time ... be realistic.


Greece... from one of your own ancients:

“Ah how shameless – the way these mortals blame the gods. From us alone they say come all their miseries yes but they themselves with their own reckless ways compound their pains beyond their proper share.”

― Homer, The Odyssey
 
I am starting to get a sense that ERCs tiers may be taking shape.

David Cameron has surprised Europe by showing up at their table for the next 5 years and with a need/desire to change the situation.
Germany has suddenly decided that maybe Britain has a point after all.
France wants Britain to counter Germany but doesn't like being treated as the inconsequential entity it is.
Juncker is trying to make nice - offering any and all sorts of changes so long as they can claim that Britain is still in and no treaty changes have occurred (I am thinking along the lines of the Pragmatic Sanction of Bourges and the Concordat of Bologna which allowed Rome to continue saying the France was Catholic while all of the Pope's real powers were transferred to the Kings of France - Europe has a long history of kidding itself).

Meanwhile the UK has friends along the northern shores in Netherlands, Denmark, Sweden and Finland, not to mention Estonia, Latvia and Lithuania- Friendships that are becoming stronger as Britain exercises with them and Russia does not.

Iceland, Norway, Denmark, Sweden, Finland, Poland, Estonia, Latvia and Lithuania are all aligning their military forces.

Poland, Lithuania, Ukraine, Romania and Moldova are aligning their forces.

A hard crust is forming to the east and north of the EU - and not all of those countries are seeing the benefits of being beholden to the Southerners - who would rather not have anything to do with those rough folks living in a bad neighbourhood.

I can see the EU loosening its ties, while pretending it isn't.

 
Here, reproduced under the Fair Dealing provisions of the Copyright Act from the Globe and Mail is an overview of Prime Minister Cameron's programme for the next few years:

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/world/uk-to-unveil-eu-referendum-plans-as-parliament-opens/article24635885/
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Britain's new government outlines EU referendum plan as parliament opens

JILL LAWLESS
LONDON — The Associated Press

Published Wednesday, May. 27 2015

Britain’s first all-Conservative government in two decades unveiled its plans for power Wednesday, including laws to hold a referendum on European Union membership, give Scotland more autonomy and toughen immigration policies.

The list of proposed legislation was read by Queen Elizabeth II at the State Opening of Parliament, an annual blend of politics and pomp replete with gilded throne, diamond-studded crown and officials in antiquated garb.

It follows a May 7 election that unexpectedly gave Prime Minister David Cameron’s centre-right Conservatives a parliamentary majority — and with it the power to implement a political agenda without coalition compromises.

The Queen’s Speech, delivered by the monarch but written by the government, included legislation to cap welfare benefits, freeze some taxes for five years and hold a vote on EU membership by the end of 2017 — all key Conservative election promises.

The queen said the government would adopt a “One Nation approach, helping working people get on.”

The speech promised legislation to cut red tape for small businesses and freeze income and sales tax rates until 2020. There was also a right-to-buy plan to help thousands of tenants become homeowners.

The unemployed face a lower cap on benefits, while the government plans to make it harder for unionized workers to strike.

Cameron’s “One Nation” may well have looser bonds. Scotland is getting more powers to raise and spend taxes, fulfilling a promise made by Cameron before last year’s Scottish independence referendum. Wales will also gain more autonomy, and there was a promise to reduce the say of Scottish lawmakers over policies that affect only England and Wales.

Details of that plan, known as “English votes for English laws,” are likely to prove contentious — one of several pieces of legislation the government may struggle to pass.

Cameron’s majority is small, just 12 seats in the 650-seat House of Commons. An election vow to replace the Human Rights Act — which has a European court as its top arbiter — with a British bill of rights was reduced to a promise of “proposals” rather than legislation. The plan is opposed by some Conservatives as well as opposition parties.

There will also likely be battles in Parliament over promised legislation to crack down on extremism and take a more unwelcoming approach to immigration.

In a ceremony she has enacted 61 previous times in her reign, the 89-year-old queen delivered the speech in the House of Lords — Parliament’s unelected upper house — to a tightly packed audience of lawmakers in ordinary clothes and peers in red robes trimmed with ermine.

Since King Charles I tried to arrest members of the House of Commons in 1642 — and ended up deposed, tried and beheaded — the monarch has been barred from entering the Commons chamber.

The queen arrived from Buckingham Palace to Parliament in the Diamond Jubilee State Coach, pulled by two white horses and escorted by cavalry whose silver helmets gleamed in the spring sunshine.

Inside the Lords, she sat on a gilded throne wearing the Imperial State Crown, encrusted with almost 3,000 diamonds.

The annual pageant draws heavily on the history of the power struggle between the monarchy and Parliament. Lawmakers were summoned from the House of Commons by Black Rod, a security official — but only complied after first slamming the door in his face to symbolize their independence.

In another symbol of the traditional hostility between Commons and crown, a lawmaker was held at Buckingham Palace as a “hostage” during the ceremony to ensure the monarch’s safe return.


One point of reference: any Canadian prime minister would be comfortable with a majority of 12 (out of 650) or, in Canadian terms of, say, six in a HoC of 338. The UK HoC is not managed in the same way as ours: party discipline is much looser and many MPs (Conservative and Labour alike) are very, very independent of their party leaders and often will not take the whip. Prime Minister Cameron's majority is elusive and can (will) disappear on some issues, like the Human Rights Act.

Giving (devolving) more powers to Scotland and Wales implies the need for an English nation with it's own parliament, too. I think the UK needs to evolve into a federal state with a new, federal legislature in some new British capital city like, say, Carlisle or York.

I suspect the EU referendum will drive European politics for a year - for good or ill. I continue to believe that the "tired cake" model is the right answer, but I'm not at all sure it is achievable. But: the UK is leading a popular movement against "bureaucratic (unaccountable) Brussels" and some other EU members wish the Brits well in their quest to reshape the union.



 
This, reproduced under the Fair Dealing provisions of the Copyright Act from the Globe and Mail, might be fun, in a slightly sadistic way, if the consequences of a Greek default wouldn't send global stock markets into an (unneeded) tailspin:

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/report-on-business/international-business/european-business/tsipras-returns-to-plot-next-move-as-greek-stalemate-persists/article24795248/
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Defiant Greece defers payment to IMF as debt deal inches closer

ERIC REGULY
ROME — The Globe and Mail

Last updated Friday, Jun. 05, 2015

Greece ramped up the negotiating drama with its international creditors on Thursday with the surprise announcement that it would delay making a scheduled debt payment this week to the International Monetary Fund.

But leaked documents suggested that the two camps were close to finding common ground in the crucial area that would dictate the country’s budget surpluses.

The documents were widely published as Greek Prime Minister Alexis Tsipras came under enormous pressure from the hard-left arm of his Syriza government to avoid signing a deal that would unleash more harsh austerity on the crumbing Greek economy, which is back in recession after weak growth in 2014.

The party infighting apparently persuaded Mr. Tsipras not to hand over €300-million on Friday to the International Monetary Fund as an act of defiance against the IMF and Greece’s other two creditors, the European Union and the European Central Bank.

The IMF later confirmed that Athens does not intend to default on the loan; instead, it intends to bundle the Friday payment with three other June payments, totalling €1.5-billion, and pay the IMF at the end of the month.

Greece’s decision to push out the Friday payment came only hours after IMF chief Christine Lagarde, who has argued that debt relief should be a component of any new bailout package for Greece, said she was “confident” that Greece would make the Friday payment.

Early on Thursday, after a meeting in Brussels with European Commission president Jean-Claude Juncker, Mr. Tsipras said the two camps were “very close in agreement in the primary surpluses” even if they remained far apart on pension payments and increases to the value added tax (VAT) that is charged on almost all goods and services.

While the pension issue alone could sabotage the negotiations, triggering a default that could push Greece out of the euro zone, there were other indications of progress in the talks that would define new bailout terms for Greece. On Thursday, Jeroen Dijsselbloem, chairman of the euro zone finance ministers’ group, said the talks this week between Greece and its creditors were “successful in narrowing down the remaining issues.”

Greece’s 47-page proposal to its creditors, obtained by the Greek news site Enikos.gr, showed that the government wants to report a primary surplus – the budget surplus after debt payments are stripped out – of only 0.6 per cent this year, 1.5 per cent next year and 2.5 per cent in 2017.

Greek has been lobbying hard for a low primary surplus, which would allow it to devote more funds to social services and less to debt servicing. A high primary surplus would require the government and all its departments to launch another round of spending cuts, potentially triggering more public-sector firings and social unrest.

In a new note published on the Voxeu.org site, economists Elias Papaioannou, Richard Portes and Lucrezia Reichlin said that “the renewed recession, uncertainty and depressed investment climate make it simply unrealistic to target significant surpluses. Further tax increases or expenditure cuts would be self-defeating. They would only intensify the recession.”

The creditors had insisted on far higher primary surpluses, but their latest proposal, which was also leaked on Thursday, shows that they have softened their demands. They now propose a 1 per cent primary surplus this year, 2 per cent next year and 3 per cent in 2017. The gap between the two proposals is narrow, suggesting that the two sides can find common ground.

Mr. Tsipras is to address the Greek Parliament on Friday night. While the content of his speech is not known, he will probably try to convince the fractious lawmakers that it is the Greek government, not its creditors, that has Greece’s best interests at heart.


While it might be better, for all concerned, if Greece and the other "weak sisters"* are either kicked out of the Eurozone or, at least, forced into a second tier, where their fiscal policies can be 'supervised' by the "strong brothers,"** the shock to a fragile global recovery from the Great  Recession will be damaging.

Monetary union is far, far more complex and difficult than the proponents of the Euro imagined in the 1980s and '90s.

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*  Greece, certainly, Portugal and Spain, very likely and Italy and France, probably, too
** Germany, Finalnd and a few others
 
Looks like Greece is finally going to go under. An interesting thing to note is the Greek government seems to have set up a delay so Greek citizens are not forced to lose their savings by a "bail in", so for the moment, Greek citizens are taking their money out of the banks as fast as they can, and presumably sticking into safer foreign banks (although a dubious plan now, given the idea of "bail ins" seems to have caught on) or in their mattresses. Summer is going to be very interesting in Europe (in the Chinese curse sense of "interesting"), and the fallout is going to have lots of second and third order effects across the EUzone and here in Canada and North America as well.

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-06-05/greek-banks-verge-total-collapse-bank-run-surges-massively-depositors-yank-€700-mill

Greek Banks On Verge Of Total Collapse: Bank Run Surges "Massively" As Depositors Yank €700 Million Today Alone
Submitted by Tyler Durden on 06/05/2015 22:49 -0400

While the Greek government believes it may have won the battle, if not the war with Europe, the reality is that every additional day in which Athens does not have a funding backstop, be it the ECB (or the BRIC bank), is a day which brings the local banking system to total collapse.

As a reminder, Greek banks already depends on the ECB for some €80.7 billion in Emergency Liquidity Assistance which was about 60% of total deposits in the Greek financial system as of April 30. In other words, they are woefully insolvent and only the day to day generosity of the ECB prevents a roughly 40% forced "bail in" deposit haircut a la Cyprus.





The problem is that a Greek deposit number as of a month and a half ago is hopefully inaccurate. It is also the biggest problem for Greece, which has been desperate to prevent an all out panic among those who still have money in the banking system.

Things got dangerously close to the edge last Friday (as noted before) when things for Greece suddenly looked very bleak ahead of this week's IMF payment and politicians were forced to turn on the Hope Theory to the max, promising a deal with Europe had never been closer.

It wasn't, and instead Greece admitted its sovereign coffers are totally empty this week when it "bundled" its modest €345 million payment to the IMF along with others, for a lump €1.5 billion payment, which may well never happen.

And the bigger problem for Greece is that after testing yesterday the faith and resolve of its depositors (not to mention the Troika, aka the Creditors) and found lacking, said depositors no longer believe in the full faith (ignore credit) of the Greek banking system.It may have been the Greek government's final test.

Because accoring to banking sources cited by Intelligent News, things today went from bad to horrible for Greek banks, when Greeks "responded with massive outflows to the Greece's government decision to bundle the four tranches to IMF into one by the end of the June."

According to banking sources, the net outflows sharply increased on Friday and the available liquidity of the domestic banking system reduced at very low and dangerous levels.

The same sources estimate the outflows on Friday around 700 million Euros from 272 million Euros on Thursday. The available emergency liquidity assistance (ELA) for the Greek banks is estimated around 800 million Euros. In addition, the outstanding amount of the total deposits of the private sector (households and corporations) has declined under 130 billion Euros or lower than the levels at early 2004.

The total net outflows in the last 7 business days are estimated 3.4 billion Euros threatening the stability of the Greek banks.
This means 2.5% of all Greek deposits were pulled in just the past 5 days! Indicatively, this is the same as if US depositors had yanked $280 billion from US banks (where total deposits amount to about $10.7 trillion)

As further reported, the Bank of Greece is set to examine on Monday if Greece will urgently ask additional ELA. However, since one of the main conditions by the ECB to keep providing ELA to Greece is for its banks to be "solvent" (a condition which is only possible thanks to the ECB), one wonders at what point the Troika, whose clear intention it has been from day one to cause the Greek bank run in the process leading to the fall of the Tsipras government, will say "no more."

For those interested, according to IN, the deposit (out)flows in the last 7 business days are as follows:





Finally, for those who missed it, here is the first hand account of the Greek bank run from precisely a week ago as retold by ZH contributor Tom Winnifrith:

Witnessing the great bank run first hand as I deposit money in Greece

Jim Mellon says that the Greeks should build a statue in my honour as on Friday I opened a bank account in Greece and made a deposit. Okay it was only 10 Euro, I need to put in another 3,990 Euro to get my residency papers so I can buy a car, a bike and a gun, but it was a start. But the scenes at the National Bank in Kalamata were of chaos, you could smell the panic and they were being replicated at banks across Greece.

For tomorrow is a Bank Holiday here and if you are going to default on your debts/ switch from Euros to New Drachmas a bank holiday weekend is the best time to do it. And with debt repayments that cannot be met due on June 5 (next Friday) Greece is clearly in the merde. If it defaults all its banks go bust.

But I had to open an account and make a deposit. Outside the bank in the main street of Kalamata there are two ATMs. The lines at both were ten deep when I arrived and when I left an hour later. Inside I was directed to the two desks marked "Deposit". You go there to put in money, to open an account or if you are so senile that you cannot do basic admin of your account without assistance. As such it was me depositing cash and four octogenerians who had not got a clue about anything. Actually I lie. These folks may have been gaga but they were not so gaga that they were actually going to deposit cash, I was the sole depositer.

Friday was also the day when pensions are paid into bank accounts. On the Wednesday and Thursday it was reported that Greeks withdrew 800 million Euro from checking accounts. Friday's number will dwarf that. Whe you go to a Greek bank you pull off a ticket and wait for your number to be called. The hall in my bank contains about 60 seats all of which were filled. There were folks standing behind the seats and in fact throughout the hall, all wanting to get their cash out before the bank closed at 2 PM.

At the side of the room, shielded by a glass screen sat a man behind a big desk. He tapped away at his screen and made phone calls. Ocassionally folks wandered over, shook papers in his face and harangued him having got no joy elsewhere. So I guess he was the bank manager. I rather expected him to end one phone call and stand up to say "That was Athens - all the money has gone, its game over folks." But he didn't. He may well do so at some stage soon.

Eventually I got the the front of my five person queue of the senile and opened my account. Passport, tax number, phone number all in order. I handed over a 10 Euro note and the polite - if somewhat stressed - young man gave me about ten pieces of paper to sign and stamped my passbook. I have done my bit for Greece and have given it 10 Euro which I will lose one way or another in due course. So Jim - time to lobby for that statue.

The Government did not put up a default notice on Friday as I half expected. The can kicking goes on. The ATMs will be emptied this weekend and on Tuesday and in the run up to a potential default day next Friday the banks will be packed again with folks taking out whatever money they can.

It is not just the bank coffers that are being emptied. To get to The Greek Hovel where I sit now from my local village of Kambos is a two mile drive. On my side of the valley there is some concrete track but it is mainly a mud road. On the other side of the valley there is a deserted monastery so to honour the Church - even if there are no actual monks there - a concrete road was built in the good times. By last summer it was more pothole than road.

By law, since I have water and electricity, I can demand that the road be mended and so last summer I went to the Kambos town hall (4 full time staff serving a population of 536) and did just that. They said "the steam roller is broken and we have no money but will try to do it in the Autumn." They did not.

But last week a gang of men appeared and the road is now pothole free, indeed in some places we have a whole new concrete surface. And as I head towards Kalamta there are extensive road mending programmes. At Kitries, the village has found money to renovate its beach front. It is a hive of activity across the Mani.

Quite simply each little municipality is spending every cent it has as fast as it can. The Greek State asked all the town halls to hand over spare cash a few weeks ago to help with the debt repayment. The town halls know that next time it will not be a request but an order. But by then all the money they had hoarded will have been spent. That is Greekeconomics for you.

Everyone knows that something has to give and that it will probanly happen this summer. The signs are everywhere
 
E.R. Campbell said:
Here, reproduced under the Fair Dealing provisions of the Copyright Act from the Globe and Mail is an overview of Prime Minister Cameron's programme for the next few years:

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/world/uk-to-unveil-eu-referendum-plans-as-parliament-opens/article24635885/

One point of reference: any Canadian prime minister would be comfortable with a majority of 12 (out of 650) or, in Canadian terms of, say, six in a HoC of 338. The UK HoC is not managed in the same way as ours: party discipline is much looser and many MPs (Conservative and Labour alike) are very, very independent of their party leaders and often will not take the whip. Prime Minister Cameron's majority is elusive and can (will) disappear on some issues, like the Human Rights Act.

Giving (devolving) more powers to Scotland and Wales implies the need for an English nation with it's own parliament, too. I think the UK needs to evolve into a federal state with a new, federal legislature in some new British capital city like, say, Carlisle or York.

I suspect the EU referendum will drive European politics for a year - for good or ill. I continue to believe that the "tired cake" model is the right answer, but I'm not at all sure it is achievable. But: the UK is leading a popular movement against "bureaucratic (unaccountable) Brussels" and some other EU members wish the Brits well in their quest to reshape the union.


And, according to an article in The Independent, David Cameron's honeymoon with his own party is already over and the issue is the EU referendum.

The article says:

    "David Cameron has been warned that 100 Conservative MPs will vote for Britain to leave the European Union unless he wins the reforms they want when he renegotiates new membership terms.

    The Prime Minister’s post-election honeymoon with his own MPs ended as Eurosceptic Tories set out demands that he has little chance of securing. They include reforms to the EU’s freedom of movement rules and allowing the
    UK Parliament to veto EU laws.

    The Conservatives for Britain group, launched on 7 June, claimed that up to nine Cabinet ministers could support a No vote to the EU in the referendum that will take place by the end of 2017.

    Mr Cameron made clear that Conservative ministers would have to resign if they failed to back his position in the  referendum.  Speaking at the start of the G7 summit in Germany, he said he expected all Tory ministers to accept
    the deal he negotiates and that they would have to leave the Government if they decide to support a No campaign."
 
E.R. Campbell said:
And, according to an article in The Independent, David Cameron's honeymoon with his own party is already over and the issue is the EU referendum.

The article says:

    "David Cameron has been warned that 100 Conservative MPs will vote for Britain to leave the European Union unless he wins the reforms they want when he renegotiates new membership terms.

    The Prime Minister’s post-election honeymoon with his own MPs ended as Eurosceptic Tories set out demands that he has little chance of securing. They include reforms to the EU’s freedom of movement rules and allowing the
    UK Parliament to veto EU laws.

    The Conservatives for Britain group, launched on 7 June, claimed that up to nine Cabinet ministers could support a No vote to the EU in the referendum that will take place by the end of 2017.

    Mr Cameron made clear that Conservative ministers would have to resign if they failed to back his position in the  referendum.  Speaking at the start of the G7 summit in Germany, he said he expected all Tory ministers to accept
    the deal he negotiates and that they would have to leave the Government if they decide to support a No campaign."

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The result is that PM Cameron has two years to govern and to win the best reform package he can.  The EU has two years to decide what they a prepared to live with. And the Eurosceptics have two years to decide if they can live with the reforms that the PM and the EU have agreed.

In the event of failure, one, or all three, of the parties involved, will be facing the gallows. 

Let battle commence.
 
Reuters reports, in this article which is reproduced under the Fair Dealing provisions of the Copyright Act from that service, that the crisis point is near:

http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/06/13/us-eurozone-greece-idUSKBN0OS0E020150613
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Tsipras seeks debt relief as Greeks take offer to Brussels

ATHENS/BRUSSELS | BY RENEE MALTEZOU AND JAN STRUPCZEWSKI

Sat, Jun 13, 2015

Greek Prime Minister Alexis Tsipras said he was willing to accept unpalatable compromises to secure a deal with international creditors, provided he gets debt relief in return, something that Germany refuses to countenance.

With Greece heading towards possible default and bankruptcy, he told his negotiating team before it took a counter-proposal to Brussels that without debt relief he would say "no" to any settlement with the EU and IMF that isolate his country from the rest of Europe.

In little more than a fortnight, Athens must repay 1.6 billion euros to the International Monetary Fund with money it does not have.

Greek ministers arrived in Brussels on Saturday to resume negotiations with international creditors on a cash-for-reforms deal that ended in stalemate on Thursday.

The counter-proposal offering concessions on budget issues is designed to break the deadlock that is threatening Greece's future in the euro zone.

Tsipras, who was elected in January on promises to end austerity, made it clear he was willing to give ground but with strings attached that German Chancellor Angela Merkel is highly unlikely to accept.

"If we have a sustainable solution, regardless of how difficult the compromise is, we will bear the burden because the only criteria are exiting the crisis and the bailouts," a government official quoted Tsipras as telling the ministers on Friday night before they headed to Brussels.

Tsipras used the term "sustainable solution" to refer to a long-standing demand for large parts of Greece's mountainous debts to be written off - something he believes is vital if the Greek economy is to start getting back on its feet after a five-year depression.

Much of that debt is owed to Germany, the biggest contributor to Greece's 240 billion euro bailouts. Any acceptance by Merkel that the money might never be paid back would almost certainly create uproar among the country's politicians and taxpayers.

Tsipras also signaled that without debt relief, he would reject any deal which isolated his country from the rest of Europe, such as the creditors' demands for curbs on the right of Greek workers to bargain collectively on pay - something that union members elsewhere take for granted.

"If Europe desires the split and the continuation of subjugation, we will make the big decision to say 'no' and fight the battle for the dignity of the people and our national sovereignty," he said.

PSYCHOLOGICAL PRESSURE

Government spokesman Gabriel Sakellaridis gave more details on the negotiating stand, such as on the primary surplus, a budget balance that excludes debt repayments, and the creditors' demands for yet more of the austerity that has already radically reduced Greeks' living standards.

"The government seeks a solution which will include a debt relief, low primary surpluses, no wage and pension cuts, an investment package and restarting the economy," he told Agora newspaper.

"Debt relief is not an ideological obsession or a symbolic move, but a necessary condition to relieve people and jumpstart the economy," he added.

On Friday, EU officials said representatives of euro zone member states had formally discussed a series of scenarios, including for the first time one which involved a possible Greek default on the repayment to the International Monetary Fund due by the end of this month.

Athens, which attended a meeting of the official-level Euro Working Group on Thursday, has denied that any such scenario had come up.

Defaulting on a repayment to the IMF, the lender of last resort under the post-World War Two global financial system, would have profound consequences. The European Central Bank would probably have to halt emergency lending that supports Greek banks, which have suffered huge withdrawals by anxious savers.

Athens would then probably have to respond with capital controls, curbing deposit withdrawals and payments abroad in a series of events that would put Greece's future in the euro in grave danger.

But Sakellaridis dismissed such a scenario. "The Greek banking system is steady and solvent, which is being proven every day. Any other theories are just part of the negotiation, a form of (mainly psychological) pressure."

Finance Minister Yanis Varoufakis, a former academic economist, played down any possibility of Greece being forced out of the euro.

"As a former statistician, I will never consent to the notion that there is a zero probability event," he told BBC radio. "It is also possible that a comet will hit planet Earth ... (but) I don’t believe that any sensible European bureaucrat or politician will go down that road.”

Varoufakis, who has been sidelined from the negotiations since falling out with some of his euro zone colleagues, said he believed Merkel would not "even begin to contemplate an exit of Greece from the euro zone".

Asked if the EU and IMF were bluffing, he said: "I hope they are."

(Additional reporting by Costas Pitas in London; Writing by David Stamp; Editing by Alison Williams)


To quote our friend MJP, "Hope is not a valid COA."
 
"The problem with Socialism is eventually you run out of other people's money"
-Margaret Thatcher

It looks like we are almost at this point. Reality is pretty much filling the entire window so even kicking the can down the road for a few more months really won't change the situation much (except to make the inevitable end even worse). So long as the various parties even offer the slightest thread for the Greeks to cling to, they will continue to refuse to pay the debt or make the real and substantive changes that need to be made (see highlight), even if the changes only amount to a percentage point of the GDP:

http://pjmedia.com/tatler/2015/06/14/the-absolutely-positively-without-a-doubt-last-last-last-chance-for-greece-to-avoid-default/?print=1

The Absolutely, Positively, Without a Doubt, Last, Last, Last Chance for Greece to Avoid Default

Posted By Rick Moran On June 14, 2015 @ 3:50 pm In Politics | 5 Comments


“Never send to know for whom the bells tolls; it tolls for Greece.” (With apologies to John Donne)

For months, the EU, the European Central Bank, and the IMF have negotiated, bargained, cajoled, begged Greece to come up with a plan to satisfy their debt requirements without cutting pensions and wages for Greek workers further, as the Greek government has demanded.

Greek Prime Minister Alex Tsipras has promised a dozen times that he would present a plan to the “troika” of powers that hold the purse strings on Greece’s bailout money that doesn’t include the austerity measures that Greece’s creditors are demanding.

This weekend, it became painfully apparent that Tsipras can’t deliver. His final proposals to a technical committee who would sign off on a deal so that Greece can get the last $7 billion of the $240 billion bailout and meet its debt obligations at the end of the month were termed “incomplete” by the creditors. Tsipras just can’t bring himself to take the steps necessary to cut his budget and start Greece down the road to a responsible government.

It took all of 45 minutes for the talks to implode today, and the EU says that there’s no chance for a deal as long as Tsipras continues to refuse to face reality. So the next decision will be entirely political; if Greece defaults, will they be kicked out of the EU?

Politico:


“The talks did not succeed as there remains a significant gap between the plans of the Greek authorities and the joint requirements of Commission, ECB and IMF,” said a Commission spokesperson in a statement.

The two sides still disagree on budget savings worth €2 billion, or 0.5 to 1 percentage points of GDP, the spokesperson said. At this point in the talks, the Commission is operating as the central negotiator for Greece’s international creditors, including the International Monetary Fund, which withdrew its technical negotiators in frustration last week.

Representatives from the IMF, the European Stability Mechanism bailout fund and the European Central Bank were waiting Sunday in the commission president’s office, in case the talks progressed. Commission President Jean-Claude Juncker himself was not present, though he was quoted by German news agency DPA as saying that Tsipras “knows the situation is coming to a head.”

The Commission spokesperson said that since the Greek proposals were still “incomplete,” the talks would now have to continue at a meeting of the Eurogroup of finance ministers, who gather Thursday in Luxembourg, along with IMF Managing Director Christine Lagarde. It could be the last chance to approve Greek economic reforms, since any new deal would need approval by some eurozone parliaments, including Germany, within the next two weeks.

On June 30, Greece owes €1.6 billion to the IMF. It’s also when the second bailout program expires.

The Greek government issued a position paper making clear its rejection of any drastic measures such as cuts in state pensions or wages that are anathema to Tsipras’ left-wing party, Syriza.

“The government reiterates, in no uncertain terms,” — and then in bold lettering — “that no reduction in pensions and wages or increases, through VAT, in essential goods — such as electricity — will be accepted,” the statement said. “No recessionary measure that undermines growth — the experiment has lasted long enough.”


Exasperation with the left-wing Greek government’s negotiating tactics has grown across Europe and especially in its biggest economy, Germany, where Vice-Chancellor Sigmar Gabriel wrote in Bild newspaper Sunday: “Not only is time running out, but also patience all across Europe. Everywhere the sentiment is building that — IT’S ENOUGH!”

Does that sound like the EU is willing to be generous to the Greek government?

One possible scenario now is that the EU finance ministers will meet on Thursday and present their own “take it or leave it” deal to Tsipras. He will almost certainly leave it and precipitate a slow motion crisis that could start with a run on Greek banks that would necessitate capital controls. The Greek stock market crashes, they are locked out of liquidity funds from the ECB, their banks collapse, and with no other options Greece leaves the euro and starts issuing drachmas.

But the political game is not quite over. European leaders may fear a breakup of the EU if that scenario plays out, which could lead to a variety of short term fixes, kicking the can down the road hoping Tsipras eventually wakes up. These measures could include forgiving some of Greece’s debt, restructuring their debt, or simply extending the IMF deadline a few months. These measures may not allow Greece to avoid some of the catastrophe — their banks are teetering and could collapse even without a default — but at least the currency would be saved.

So despite the doom and gloom coming out of Brussels, Greece may yet live to annoy the rest of Europe another day.

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Time for everyone to take a deep breath, since the EUZone is about to plunge into the deep end. I'm not sure that anyone really has any idea of the true interlinkages between various European banking institutions or what sort of securitized debt they hold anymore, so the unwinding process will be fast and brutal (especially when "unwinding" starts to happen in unexpected places). The example of Iceland is a bit of a non sequitor; Iceland's economy and debt is/was far smaller and not as seriously intertwined with the rest of the EU the way that Greece or the other PIIGS are. Lots of charts and graphs at link:

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-06-16/horrified-syriza-hardliners-back-immediate-greek-bank-nationalization-euro-exit

"Horrified" Syriza Hardliners Back "Immediate" Greek Bank Nationalization, Euro Exit
Submitted by Tyler Durden on 06/16/2015 21:31 -0400

In “Democracy Under Fire: Troika Looks To Force Greek Political ‘Reshuffle’”, we took an in-depth look at the true motivation behind the hardline stance adopted by Greece’s creditors. In short, we’ve argued that the troika is determined to send a strong message to EMU member countries that threatening to expose the idea of euro indissolubility as fiction is not a viable bargaining strategy when it comes to extracting austerity concessions from Brussels. This became even more important after regional and municipal elections in Spain which betrayed growing resentment for the troika and strong support for Podemos, a progressive political movement that is, in many ways, ideologically aligned with Syriza. Here’s what we said last month:

It is becoming increasingly clear that the Syriza show will ultimately have to be canceled in Greece (or at least recast) if the country intends to find a long-term solution that allows for stable relations with European creditors although it may be time for Greeks to ask themselves if binding their fate to Europe is in their best interests given that some EU officials seem to be perfectly fine with inflicting untold economic pain upon everyday Greeks if it means usurping the ‘radical leftists.’

Less than a week later, Syriza hardliners called for a default to the IMF and a return to the drachma. The motion was defeated by just 20 votes, prompting us to contend that Greek PM Alexis Tsipras will need to ensure that any serious proposal presented to creditors is first cleared by Syriza’s more radical members because the only thing worse than capital controls and “Grimbo” (i.e. a slow motion train wreck) is the chaos that would ensure should Tsipras strike a deal with creditors only to see it fall apart in parliament amid raucous party infighting and the rapid disintegration of government.

Now, it appears as though EU officials aren’t the only ones drawing up plans for capital controls and Grexit because as The Telegraph reports, the far-left faction within Syriza is ready to transition back to the drachma. Here’s more:

The radical wing of Greece's Syriza party is to table plans over coming days for an Icelandic-style default and a nationalisation of the Greek banking system, deeming it pointless to continue talks with Europe's creditor powers.

Syriza sources say measures being drafted include capital controls and the establishment of a sovereign central bank able to stand behind a new financial system. While some form of dual currency might be possible in theory, such a structure would be incompatible with euro membership and would imply a rapid return to the drachma.

The confidential plans were circulating over the weekend and have the backing of 30 MPs from the Aristeri Platforma or 'Left Platform', as well as other hard-line groupings in Syriza's spectrum. It is understood that the nationalist ANEL party in the ruling coalition is also willing to force a rupture with creditors, if need be.

"This goes well beyond the Left Platform. We are talking serious numbers," said one Syriza MP involved in the draft.

"We are all horrified by the idea of surrender, and we will not allow ourselves to be throttled to death by European monetary union," he told the Telegraph.

Syriza's Left Platform has studied the Icelandic model, extolled as a success story by the International Monetary Fund itself.

"The Greek banks must be nationalised immediately, along with the creation of a bad bank. There may have to be some restrictions on cash withdrawals," said one Syriza MP.

"The banks will go ape-s*** of course. We are aware that there will be a lot of lawsuits but at the end of the day we are a sovereign power," he said.

Syriza has a strong ideological motive to strike at the financial elites. They view the banks as the nerve centre of an entrenched oligarchy that has run the country for more than half a century as a family business. Forcing these institutions into bankruptcy provides cover for a socio-political purge, best understood as a revolution.

Iceland is a tempting model for Greece, but the parallel can be pushed too far. The Nordic country seized control of its three big banks - Glitnir, Kaupthing, and Landsbanki - when the crisis span out of control in late 2008.

As a reminder, this year Iceland will become the first European country that hit crisis in 2008 to beat its pre-crisis peak of economic output. In spite of its total 180-degree treatment of nefarious bankers, the banking system, and the people of its nation when compared to America (or The UK), Iceland has proved that there is a different (better) option that western dogma would suggest: imprisoning the bankers and letting the banks go bust. Here's what happened next:

In any event, it's also becoming clear that Tsipras is indeed limited by party hardliners in terms of what he can propose to EU creditors, and while Syriza claims this is evidence of party unity, it more likely represents the fact that the PM is stuck between allowing Greece to exit the euro or facing a severe political backlash in the event he comes to parliament with a draft proposal that includes concessions on pensions and the VAT. Here's The Telegraph again:

The creditors argue that 'Grexit' would be suicidal for Greece. They have been negotiating on the assumption that Syriza must be bluffing, and will ultimately capitulate. Little thought has gone into possibility that key figures in Athens may be thinking along entirely different lines.

Tasos Koronaki, the party secretary, said on Sunday that attempts to split the party will fail. "The government will not enter into any agreement that is not accepted by the parliamentary group. We are more united than ever," he said.

Mr Tsipras faces a critical choice. If he accepts creditor demands, he may lose a large bloc of his own party and have to rely on the establishment parties to push the deal through the Greek parliament.

Such a course of action would render him a Greek version of Britain's Ramsey MacDonald, the Labour prime minister in the 1930s who enforced austerity and became the socialist figurehead of a Conservative national government.

MacDonald never overcame the accusations of betrayal by the Labour movement. He died a broken man.
One is reminded of the demonstrations staged last week by members of the Communist-affiliated PAME union who displayed a banner depicting Tsipras alongside his two predecessors with the phrase “We have bled enough, we have paid enough.” The implication was that Tsipras is nothing more than a pandering technocrat, a characterization the PM is keen to dispel.

Ultimately then, Tsipras must decide how he wants history to remember his tenure as Prime Minister. Either he will be the leader who allowed Greece to crash out of the euro on its way to a redomination-driven economic collapse, or he will go down as the fiery advocate for change who caved under pressure and allowed the troika to stamp out democracy in the place where it was born.

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Here's some bonus color from Barclays on possible political outcomes:

We have argued that the cost of a U-turn by Greek Prime Minister Alexis Tsipras – that is, accepting the Institutions’ terms of an agreement – is likely to be a divided party, including raising opposition from radical Syriza MPs and possibly from its junior coalition partner, the Independent Greeks. However, in our view, this is something that PM Tsipras could survive, politically. The chances of early elections would be high in this scenario, but the likelihood of Mr Tsipras to be re-elected seem fair, in our view, even without the more radical factions of Syriza.

Instead, under the alternative scenario of no deal with the Institutions, in all likelihood we believe Greek banks’ access to ELA funding could be frozen shortly after the end of the month when the programme expires, and bank controls to limit deposit outflows and transfers abroad would be required. In addition, this scenario would also mean a divided Syriza, with the more moderate members opposing the government´s decision not to reach a deal. We think a majority of Greeks would blame the government for the failure in the negotiations and the freezing of their deposits. In our view, PM Tsipras would be worse off in this scenario, and we think it is unlikely that the government would be able to survive it.

 
I don't agree with everything that the Globe and Mail's Eric Reguly has to say in this column, which is reproduced under the Fair Dealing provisions of the Copyright Act from that newspaper, but it is a fair description of the "write-off, forgive and forget" school's position:

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/report-on-business/rob-commentary/greece-a-ponzi-scheme-with-no-end-in-sight/article25045033/
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Greece: A Ponzi scheme with no end in sight

ERIC REGULY

ST. PETERSBURG — The Globe and Mail

Last updated Saturday, Jun. 20, 2015

Greek Prime Minister Alexis Tsipras rolled into the St. Petersburg International Economic Forum on Friday to make nice with Russian President Vladimir Putin – not that it will make one iota of difference in saving Greece.

Greece is so small that Russia could easily afford to bail it out; one of Mr. Putin’s ministers hinted that Russia was willing to help. Doing so would amount to the cost of a few aircraft carriers or subsidizing a minor land war in Ukraine. But he’s not going to do it.

Mr. Putin has enough geopolitical problems of his own. If he were to bail out Greece, the United States and Europe would assume that Russia’s next move would be to park its navy in Piraeus. Mr. Putin probably also knows that Greece is a terminal case.

More loans won’t fix Greece; the opposite in fact. That’s because the creditors’ treatment of Greece constitutes the greatest Ponzi scheme on the planet (sorry Bernie Madoff). Mr. Tsipras knows that too, which is why Greece is barrelling toward default – he has said as much. The big question is whether some political and financial fudge will allow it to remain in the euro zone and the wider European Union if it does stop paying its debts.

Greece is insolvent, bankrupt, illiquid, economically dead – the sovereign version of Monty Python’s parrot. The creditors – the EU, the European Central Bank and the International Monetary Fund – have the numbskull idea that shovelling more loans into Greece will bring the corpse back to life. The trio of creditors will release €7.2-billion ($10-billion) in loans remaining from the previous bailout if Greece launches another round of austerity, which would include an increase to the value-added tax (VAT), a gutting of the pension plans, and assorted other trims and cuts. In other words, another nasty round of austerity on top of the previous nasty rounds of austerity.

No one feels sorry for Greece. It was largely the author of its own misfortunes, to the point it lied about the true size of its debt, treated tax collection as a part-time hobby and decided that economic diversification meant buying BMWs and stuffing pristine islands with cheap resorts. But anyone with an IQ greater than feta cheese should know by now that austerity is a growth killer, which is why Greece is incapable of emerging from recession. Except for a brief flirtation with growth last year, it has been swirling down the economic toilet since 2009. “VAT going up and pensions going down constitute reductions in the standard of living,” Neil MacKinnon, managing director of VTB Capital, said Friday on the sidelines of the St. Petersburg economic forum. “That will depress the economy even further.”

The creditors want to hand Greece more loans to pay off loans that are coming due this summer (Greece owes the IMF almost €1.6-billion by the end of June). But austerity will ensure that Greece will lack the means to pay off those new loans. That’s the Ponzi scheme – new loans to pay off old loans, to be inevitably followed by new loans to pay off old loans.

Everyone knows that the solution is a debt writeoff, and a big one. But even though the IMF has raised the idea of another debt restructuring – Greece crunched its privately held debt in 2012 – the IMF will not take one itself. It wants the EU to take the “haircut,” as it’s called. But the EU would sooner see Mr. Putin annex another chunk of Ukraine that write off its loans to Greece. A Greek default would cost the taxpayers of Germany and France alone about €60-billion. Try explaining a loss of that size to your voters. Already, half of the voters in Germany would like to turf Greece out of the euro zone, and that’s predefault.

The next few weeks, maybe few days, will make or break both Greece and the euro zone, and things looked dire by the end of the week. On Thursday, a meeting of the euro zone finance ministers, which included Greece’s Yanis Varoufakis, made absolutely no progress. The euro zone summit meeting on Monday is emerging as the true make-or-break session. “The game of chicken needs to end and so does the blame game,” European Council president Donald Tusk said Friday.

Greece has been accused of suicidal tendencies by not giving in to creditors’ demands. But accepting more austerity for more loans is no less suicidal than a default that could send it hurtling out of the euro zone.

How to end the standoff? The EU could commit to some sort of debt writeoff in exchange for diluted austerity and economic reform. Or Greece and the EU could throw in the towel and decide that both sides would be happier and healthier without one another’s company. It could go either way. A Greek default and exit from the euro zone would be nasty and painful, but there are precedents that are somewhat encouraging. Argentina defaulted and ended its currency link with the U.S. dollar in the early part of the last decade and managed to survive, if not quite thrive.

What is certain is that piling more loans onto more loans in exchange for economy-busting austerity is madness. At best, it would buy Greece some time before a long-term solution is found, and the EU is lousy at finding long-term solutions. At worst, it would keep Greece in perpetual recession, guaranteeing a Greek exit in a few years. And who knows what other undead countries – Italy, Spain, Portugal, Cyprus – would go crashing out with it?

Greece is right to resist another hash austerity-for-loans deal. The next few days will be chaos as the IMF demands its money back. Greek banks, kept alive only by fresh doses of liquidity from the ECB, could go bust. Mr. Tsipras could face a confidence vote or election. The creditors could descend into infighting. The markets will wobble, or worse, as the very integrity of the euro zone comes into question.

Throughout all this, Mr. Putin will be watching with amusement, knowing that he alone doesn’t face grave geopolitical problems.


OK, so if Eric Reguly is wrong, if writing off the Greek debt is not the right answer, then what is?

Well, step one is recognize that Mr Reguly is right: Greece is a basket case, a totally failed state that cannot hope to pay back its debts, and the current debt management scheme is, indeed, a giant Ponzi scheme.

Step two is to expel Greece from the Eurozone and force it into insolvency. Make it renounce its debts and restore the drachma and then try to borrow, again ...

Step three is for the Geeks to grow up and take a look at what Iceland and Ireland did; and

Step four is, probably, a Greek civil war and a military dictatorship ... backed with Chinese money because neither Russia nor America is solvent and Germany doesn't care.
 
Apparently, according to The Telegraph, "ECB forced to intervene to prevent [Greek] banking collapse." (The ECB is the European Central Bank. The report says the ECB extended the support because "deposit flight [is] due to hit €1bn today.")

But the same report says today might be critical and it cites this:

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Lead @BILD editorial today: 'This is why BILD is in favour of #Grexit!'

 
The text is a bit small to read all of it, but the one paragraph has the following to say:
"There is no future for Greece in the Euro zone."
 
FT has a timeline for the Greek crisis, including a prediction of how the next few months may play out:

http://www.ft.com/cms/s/2/8b960548-143b-11e5-9bc5-00144feabdc0.html#axzz3dombDZLF

Greek debt crisis: Key dates on the road to a possible Grexit
Peter Spiegel in Brussels

Next four weeks could mark decisive phase in stand-off between Athens and creditors

The five-month stand-off between Athens and its bailout lenders has entered its most critical phase.

Eurozone finance ministers and heads of government have all descended on Brussels for what leaders hope will be a decisive series of meetings. The aim is to finally agree a credible Greek reform plan in order to release €7.2bn in rescue funds that Athens needs desperately to meet its debts and keep the government running.

Without the aid, Athens could default as soon as next week, when a €1.5bn repayment to the International Monetary Fund falls due. Finance minsters are already hinting no deal will be reached on Monday and a new series of meetings may be needed.

These are some of the important dates in the month ahead:

Monday June 22: Emergency summit

After finance ministers failed to reach a deal during a meeting on Thursday in Luxembourg, eurozone leaders were summoned to an emergency summit in Brussels for last-ditch talks aimed at preventing Greece from defaulting on its debts and potentially crashing out of the EU’s common currency.

Some eurozone officials believe that Alexis Tsipras, Greek prime minister, wants to strike a deal, and he submitted a new list of reforms in an effort to unlock the aid on Monday morning. Mr Tsipras has insisted repeatedly that any agreement must be reached at the highest political levels, not among technocratic negotiators. His hope is that being locked in a room with Angela Merkel, the German chancellor, and other EU heads of government may just create the atmosphere for a meeting of minds.

But finance ministers, who were also called to Brussels on Monday morning to prepare the summit, warned they may need to return again later in the week because of the tardiness of the Greek submission.

The European Central Bank has approved just enough emergency funding to sustain Greece’s banks through to the end of the day.

Tuesday June 23 onward: Worst-case scenarios

If no agreement can be reached at Monday’s summit, worst-case scenarios could kick in, including capital controls to limit withdrawals from Greek banks and prevent a complete financial meltdown.

The ECB is due to talk again on the status of Greek banks on Tuesday. If a Greek bank run were to begin, its governing council — which has been keeping Greek banks on life support by approving emergency central bank loans to local financial institutions — could be forced to declare them insolvent and withdraw all assistance. Without the emergency loans, Greece’s banks would collapse and the only way to restart them would be by creating a new central bank with a new currency.

Capital controls would slow this process, buying both sides more time to negotiate and prevent a Greek exit from the eurozone. But once imposed, capital controls are hard to roll back. Cyprus, which was forced to implement capital controls as part of its bailout two years ago, only lifted its final measures in May. In Iceland, it took nearly seven years.

June 25: Another Greek summit?

This is the date for the beginning of a long-scheduled EU summit. However, the meeting already has a full agenda, including UK prime minister David Cameron’s promised unveiling of his plans for renegotiating Britain’s relationship with the EU. Eurozone officials believe that by this point it may be too late to salvage a Greek deal.

But with fading prospects for a deal on Monday, eurozone officials are hinting that finance ministers may be summoned back to Brussels on Thursday ahead of this summit so that leaders can have another try at a deal.

June 30: Expiration date

The date Greece’s current bailout expires and when it is due to repay €1.5bn in loan repayments to the International Monetary Fund. Without an agreement on a list of economic reforms, officials have said there is no hope of extending the programme for a third time, meaning Greece would be without an EU safety net for the first time in five years.

Unless the bailout funds are disbursed, Mr Tsipras has made clear he will not make the IMF payment. Although technically this is not a default, since IMF rules consider a non-payment “arrears”, Greece would join a motley crew of developing countries — Somalia, Cuba and Zimbabwe — that have current or former “overdue obligations” to the IMF.

Although credit rating agencies have said that non-payment to the IMF is not formally a default, the ECB would have to decide if it meant Greece was essentially bankrupt. If so, the collateral used by Greek banks to obtain their emergency loans — mostly Greek government bonds — would be worthless. That would mean the ECB having to cut off emergency funding, probably forcing a Grexit.

July 1: Uncharted territory

If the bailout expires and Greece fails to make the IMF payment — but the ECB decides emergency loans to Greek banks can continue — Greece enters what Mario Draghi, ECB president, recently called “uncharted territory”. An economy hamstrung by capital controls, a government without any cash and a banking system struggling on life support, Greece would essentially begin a drawn-out process of economic suffocation.

Some eurozone officials believe such a state of affairs would lead to so much anger towards Mr Tsipras domestically that his government would fall. This could mean either new elections or — more likely — a national unity government, such as the one that existed under Lucas Papademos in early 2012, to clean up the mess.

July 20: Drop-dead deadline

This may be the real drop-dead deadline: the date two bonds totalling €3.5bn fall due to the ECB.

Although credit rating agency Standard & Poor’s said recently it would not consider a failure to pay these bonds a full default — it said only non-payment on bonds that are held by private creditors constitutes a default in their books — it would be virtually impossible for Greece to survive inside the eurozone if it defaulted on the ECB.
 
Thucydides said:
FT has a timeline for the Greek crisis, including a prediction of how the next few months may play out:

http://www.ft.com/cms/s/2/8b960548-143b-11e5-9bc5-00144feabdc0.html#axzz3dombDZLF


Matthew Pritchett in The Telegraph gets it:

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I suspect the end will come when one of the banks or financial institutions gets caught trying to quietly move Greek backed securities off the books, rather than when the Greek government calls off the game (so far they are winning, so why should they call it off?).

Once it leaks somewhere that a European bank is trying to get rid of their toxic assets, then the real panic will be on as everyone tries to dump their toxic assets before they are the last ones holding the bag. The contagion will spread rapidly, since people will suddenly think: If this Greek S**t is so bad, then the (insert PIIGS nation name here) isn't much better; better get rid of that too". The unwinding will be fast and furious, and far beyond the ability of the ECB, EU parliament or even the IMF and World Bank to stop in a timely or orderly manner.
 
Thucydides said:
I suspect the end will come when one of the banks or financial institutions gets caught trying to quietly move Greek backed securities off the books, rather than when the Greek government calls off the game (so far they are winning, so why should they call it off?).

Once it leaks somewhere that a European bank is trying to get rid of their toxic assets, then the real panic will be on as everyone tries to dump their toxic assets before they are the last ones holding the bag. The contagion will spread rapidly, since people will suddenly think: If this Greek S**t is so bad, then the (insert PIIGS nation name here) isn't much better; better get rid of that too". The unwinding will be fast and furious, and far beyond the ability of the ECB, EU parliament or even the IMF and World Bank to stop in a timely or orderly manner.

Economic/Fiscal JENGATM.  :nod:
 
I'm afraid that I am rapidly reaching the point where I just want the Greeks/Germans/Euros/Brits to jump off the end of the pier already.

How long can a crisis stay a crisis?
 
Kirkhill said:
I'm afraid that I am rapidly reaching the point where I just want the Greeks/Germans/Euros/Brits to jump off the end of the pier already.

How long can a crisis stay a crisis?

As long as they keep giving them $$......a little tough love now, will cure a whole host of problems with others later.... :2c:
 
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