Why is it that the CF has not or wont get Glocks?

[Stephen Hodge]

Subject is my question.

From what i have heard the Browning is in terrible condition (im joining the reserves in Febuary, i have to finnish Physiotherapy first haha) and the Glocks are proven for reliability in any condition. Correct me if im wrong on anything here, but i see many advantages to have a Glock over the Browning.

Your opinions are wanted.

 

[63 Delta]

Try typing in Glock, browning pistol and "in the CF" into the search bar, and see what you can find.  :boring:

 

[aesop081]

Why doesnt the CF have phased-plasma riffles ?

 

[JesseWZ]

Because a malfunction in the power core would make St Jean look like Chernobyl...

 

[Good2Golf]

Are you going after a glossy brochure's recommendation?  Have you fired both the BHP and the Glock.  Are your familiar with the differences between single and double-action pistols?  Do you know the major issue with the reliability of the BHP (hint: mags, not the weapon)?

While there are many views on the Browning, or any other pistol for that matter, many are personal views and are not necessarily related to the operational requirement.  There is nothing wrong with any single-action pistol based on John Browning's design...the 1911 is the grandaddy of the BHP and both are still respected in the world of the SA pistol.  Heck, the SAS still uses the BHP in various situations.

Since you asked, I personally like the BHP way more than a Glock 17.  I find the Glock clunky and I don't like the crap on the trigger.  If I were going to have a "be all and end all" pistol, it would be a Para-Ordnance SX14-45 Ltd....but that's just me.

G2G

p.s.  As the other guys have noted, "search" function also works wonders. 

p.p.s. Good luck on your physio and your enrollement.

 

[Haggis]

Why doesnt the CF have phased-plasma riffles ?

Whoa!!  OPSEC, dude!  And you're a mod, too.  Geez!!! :

 

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[aesop081]

OPSEC Dude!  And you're a mod.  Geez!!! :

yes, i know...... :rules:

what was i thinking........

 

[1feral1]

Subject is my question.

From what i have heard the Browning is in terrible condition (im joining the reserves in Febuary, i have to finnish Physiotherapy first haha) and the Glocks are proven for reliability in any condition. Correct me if im wrong on anything here, but i see many advantages to have a Glock over the Browning.

Your opinions are wanted.

Stephen, you heard wrong about the BHP. The BHP still is the most popular military sidearm in the west, been in service for 73 yrs, and is still being produced.

I have used both the BHP (on opertions and in peacetime) and Glock pistols (during peacetime only). I am armourer qualified on both.

Personally, I do not beleive the Glock is suited for pan-climatic generic military service, but may be suited as a duty gun for police/LEO, as it is widely used accross Canada and the USA by such organisations.

If you understood the Glock overall, plus the safety mech on the trigger, and while wearing gloves,  I am sure you will understand. For starters, the Glock does not have a 'postive' engaged safety catch (as does the BHP), and becuase of this, (even by trained personnel) there is a capacity for UDs, many revlove around holstering the weapon.

The Glock also has a plastic lower, and plastic mags. Overall it is not as robust as the BHP, and its service life would be reduced. Example CF BHPs are all pre 1945 manufactured by Inglis of Toronto. As long as the pistols are manitained and keep within tolerance there is no issues. I have seen Glocks 3 yrs old and off for destruction because of condition. Thats in service here in Australia, where they are primarily used by RAAF jet aircrews, AKA the JAP (Jet Aircrew Pistol).

I am sure you weill make up your own mind once you have handled and been trained up on the BHP. Its a legend in its own time.

Regards from paradise,

Wes

 

[vonGarvin]

Why doesnt the CF have phased-plasma riffles ?

While we don't have any riffles, we DO, however, have phased-plasma rifles, but only in the 10 watt range.  So, they are only effective on rats.  Once we reach 40 watt range, well, then, the gloves come off!  ;D

 

[Haggis]

While we don't have any riffles, we DO, however, have phased-plasma rifles, but only in the 10 watt range.  So, they are only effective on rats.  Once we reach 40 watt range, well, then, the gloves come off!  ;D

Oh , for the love of... OPSEC!!!!

Now the AQ and Taliban KNOW, thanks to YOU that all they need is a 10 milijoule EP/SV* to defeat our new family of small arms.  Thanks a bunch, Mortarman Rockpainter.  You've just endangered Canadian troopers.


*Electronic Protective/Suicide Vest

Note to all:  I'm on leave tomorrow so I am allowed to drink while posting.  ;D

 

[Stephen Hodge]

Stephen, you heard wrong about the BHP. The BHP still is the most popular military sidearm in the west, been in service for 73 yrs, and is still being produced.

I have used both the BHP (on opertions and in peacetime) and Glock pistols (during peacetime only). I am armourer qualified on both.

Personally, I do not beleive the Glock is suited for pan-climatic generic military service, but may be suited as a duty gun for police/LEO, as it is widely used accross Canada and the USA by such organisations.

If you understood the Glock overall, plus the safety mech on the trigger, and while wearing gloves,  I am sure you will understand. For starters, the Glock does not have a 'postive' engaged safety catch (as does the BHP), and becuase of this, (even by trained personnel) there is a capacity for UDs, many revlove around holstering the weapon.

The Glock also has a plastic lower, and plastic mags. Overall it is not as robust as the BHP, and its service life would be reduced. Example CF BHPs are all pre 1945 manufactured by Inglis of Toronto. As long as the pistols are manitained and keep within tolerance there is no issues. I have seen Glocks 3 yrs old and off for destruction because of condition. Thats in service here in Australia, where they are primarily used by RAAF jet aircrews, AKA the JAP (Jet Aircrew Pistol).

I am sure you weill make up your own mind once you have handled and been trained up on the BHP. Its a legend in its own time.

Regards from paradise,

Wes

Best response i could hope for, yes i know about the glock mech, my dad has the Glock 22, though ive never fired it with gloves on i had no clue that the BHP was so popular and i knew about the mag issues. I have seen many models of the BHP but which one is currently being used?

 

[blacktriangle]

Just a warning kids, never make fun of instructors and their sci fi geekiness..they will make you run at warp speed.  >

 

[Loachman]

Stephen

Please use the Search Function as suggested.

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[1feral1]

Best response i could hope for, yes i know about the glock mech, my dad has the Glock 22, though ive never fired it with gloves on i had no clue that the BHP was so popular and i knew about the mag issues. I have seen many models of the BHP but which one is currently being used?

The CF use the John Inglis, No.2 Mk1* in the 0T to 10T (or beyond?) serial range

Australia was using the L9A1 (c.1963-1968 vintage) FNH, and now uses the FNH MkIII Vigilante, in the 245MV to MZ serial range. No real changes, but better sights, a flared trigger, and with the mag safety removed. Powder coated in matt black with a phosphated finish under that. Still fitted with lanyard loop, new ergo grips and has a ambo safety. Uses a modified two piece barrel also, with a groove milled on the face of the chamber to allow one to physically see that there is a rd up the spout.

This model can be privately purchased in Canada, but is common without the lanyard loop.

 

[Haggis]

Best response i could hope for, yes i know about the glock mech, my dad has the Glock 22, though ive never fired it with gloves on i had no clue that the BHP was so popular and i knew about the mag issues. I have seen many models of the BHP but which one is currently being used?

I have used the Canadian issued BHP extensively for over three decades.  The only stoppages I have experienced in many thousands of rounds fired are all related to bad or damaged magazines.

I have owned an FN manufactured BHP (four digit serial number) for over twenty years.  The only part that has ever failed is the extractor.  Can't say the same for the Glocks owned by some friends.

 

[stegner]

I have heard that the Heckler & Koch USP has incorporated some of the design aspects of the BHP would this be a better potential replacement than a Glock? 

 

[Gunplumber]

I was on the test  for the new pistols in LETE in 1988 and the Glock didn't do so well. Lots of jamming problems and they even had company people come up and see what they could do but we seem to have just had a batch of lemons. So they didn't get high marks so were not one of the top choices.

 

[dapaterson]

To follow up on earlier comments on this thread, the CBC reports on a recent incident involving a Glock:

Police in Massachusetts say a Glock handgun discharged while an instructor was demonstrating to Bristol County deputy sheriffs how to safely holster the weapon.

http://www.cbc.ca/cp/Oddities/080520/K052006AU.html

 

[Haggis]

To follow up on earlier comments on this thread, the CBC reports on a recent incident involving a Glock:

http://www.cbc.ca/cp/Oddities/080520/K052006AU.html

Then again, most incidents of this type are usually user error so the type of firearem is irrelevant, unless the cause can be traced to mechanical failure.