Why the sarcasm Re: JTF2?

[FormerHorseGuard]

I have met up with people who tried out and did not make to the JTF, and I have met and worked with people who have made it. the one who diid not make , was hurt in training and used the time with us to get back into shape so he could try out again. The other one who made,  he is a good soldier and was a great teacher at the Battle School. Both were great soldiers, they wanted the career not the hollywood life style of commando and party boys.

I worked at base Toronto and there was DCIEM and they  had a lot of training and testing going ont here for divers and such.  I was at a local bar enjoying a few drinks after I got my  leaf and there were some American Sailors there enjoying a few drinks and the grirls on stage,  I knew what  they were because I knew what  they  were testing (base toronto hard to hide  overly  fit american sailors on) , but if I met them at the bar only  I would of never guessed what  they were.  They were not the Hollywood Seals, they just a  few guy out for a drink. They  bought me a beer for my  promotion and we had a few laughs and they  left because they  have dive training in the morning.

Canadian Army has a pround history  of turning out the finest soldiers in the world,  we have the best training for the buck,  look how many Americans , British, and other NATO troops come train on Canadian Bases. We do not have the toys, the aircraft, but we have the knowledge of what  it takes to get the job done. JTF is going to continue a proud history of doing the job that  the Canadian Powers at be decide needing done.

ANything that  is secret and kept secret leads to stories and creative thinking to explain the unknown.  I think that is what  creates the sarcasm and the jokes.  I think too many  people watch the movies and think that  is how the special forces soldiers work.  I read a book about a Seal team , written by  a former CO, ( some of you may have read it too) he forbid his seals to wear the "SEAL" t shirts , because  that  is just adding folklore to the job.  SAS  actions on tv news, they wear masks no name tags not to make them look better but to portect themselves and their families from pay backs. JTF is going to be looking for the bad guys again in remote locations and the bad guys are going to be looking for them.  we know we have the JTF, the bad guys know we have them and they are going to meet each other, and when they  do meet, some one is going to die. I hope we have a better score then the badguys.

If  you  put 200 soldiers in one room plus 25 special ops guys,  and had it so no one knew anyone in the room, then asked each soldier to pick out the special ops guys, they  would have no clue who was who, but I bet more then 25 guys would be picked as special ops.  They  do not always stand out in the crowd, they are not suppose to, they  normal soldiers with special skills.

I have heard the rumours of the black trucks, special cars and such, even heard the story  if the police call in the plate , the officer is told to mind his own business and  a supervisor will be there asap.

I think mostly  it is like any  other special unit, they  have a job that  is beyond  the normal duties of the everyday soldier so stories are made up to make them look not nearly as good as they. Police has SWAT teams, everyone wants to be there, not everyone can do the job,  Fire Fighters have the special teams to rescue.

I think of it this way, those you can do the job , do the job, those you cannot do the job tell stories.

 

[Sh0rtbUs]

neat,

where did you get to meet them?

dileas

tess

A member recently RTU'ed after serving with the JTF2 this past year.

 

[Sf2]

If  you  put 200 soldiers in one room plus 25 special ops guys,  and had it so no one knew anyone in the room, then asked each soldier to pick out the special ops guys, they  would have no clue who was who

you don't think the sideburns, george micheal stubble, and MEC clothing wouldn't give it away?  It brings my point up again, I think the only people who think they stand out are Military Folks and their gossipy wifes.....

try re-wording that question - Put 200 soldiers in a room, including 25 spec ops guys - then bring in Joe Schmoe from Anytown, Canada, and ask him - what do these folks do for a living?

Do you think he's going to answer "Special Ops guys?"

 

[392]

so here's a question - what made this crew cab so non-descript?   Because someone else previously pointed it out to you maybe?    Would you have known this vehicle if no one had ever pointed it out to you?

Dude, read my profile and check my location. Now ask yourself your question again 

BTW, on top of being in Pet, (where the crew cabs are as familiar as LAVIII's  ;D) I have a few friends who work out of DHTC, been on course with a few others here, and drank in Halifax with yet another bunch who were there - after awhile, it's almost second nature to be able to pick them out regardless of what you've been told or not  :warstory:

 

[the 48th regulator]

A member recently RTU'ed after serving with the JTF2 this past year.

hey, cool.

dileas

tess

 

[Sf2]

Dude, read my profile and check my location. Now ask yourself your question again 

BTW, on top of being in Pet, (where the crew cabs are as familiar as LAVIII's  ) I have a few friends who work out of DHTC, been on course with a few others here, and drank in Halifax with yet another bunch who were there - after awhile, it's almost second nature to be able to pick them out regardless of what you've been told or not 

I understand what you're saying, I'm in Pet as well.  But you're proving MY point.  You've been exposed to them, know a few of them, see them every day.....of course YOU are going to know.  I'm talking about the average JOE, not a military member.

 

[392]

I understand what you're saying, I'm in Pet as well.   But you're proving MY point.   You've been exposed to them, know a few of them, see them every day.....of course YOU are going to know.   I'm talking about the average JOE, not a military member.

I liken them to undercover cop cars - they just have this "air" about them. You can see them coming a mile away.

Maybe they may be able to blend in in large urban centres, but when they spend a lot of time in small towns / cities, it's not too hard for even Joe Schmo that works down at Shot's to tell who they are....

 

[S McKee]

I have allot of time for the members of JTF. Like any elite organization there is a mythical aura about them and I think that's a good thing. However they do tend to stick out like a sore thumb.  I remember in Kosovo one of the JTF guys was wearing an Officers rank and this guy was I beleive a WO in real life. Plus they didn't wear name tags carried different weapons etc etc. The fact of the matter is the're easy to pick out because the CF is a very small organization and people in the Cbt Arms and former CAR members who run in those circles usually know each other anyway. 

 

[Bartok5]

I have allot of time for the members of JTF.....   The fact of the matter is the're easy to pick out because the CF is a very small organization and people in the Cbt Arms and former CAR members who run in those circles usually know each other anyway.  

Bingo, end of story.   If you are Regular Force Canadian Army Infantry, then chances are that you know at least one (if not many more) former and current serving members of JTF-2.   That is a simple fact of life serving in a very small army.   And it is really no big deal unless you are the sort that mistakenly associates self-worth with "who you know".   Heck - my former CSM had served 8 years at DHTC and was back in a line battalion doing his "pennance" as a Sergeant-Major for career progression purposes before returning to the Hill (where he is now).   Countless soldiers and officers within my former unit have gone on to serve in JTF-2.   Right off the top of my head, I know at least 8 officers and NCMs currently serving at DHTC.  So frigging what?

Granted, 3 PPCLI is considered a bit of a "feeder unit" for DHTC, but that doesn't change the fact.   At the end of the day, most of us in the Regular Army know at least one current or former member of that unit.   They are (for the most part) excellent soldiers who bring a great deal of specialist expertise back to the line units that they are forced to serve with.   Moreover, they tend to be very willing to visit their former units and pass on CQB skills in the interests of fostering "Tier Three" capability and/or preparing the line troops for high-threat missions.

I would never purport to underplay the requirements for service in the "sharp" (eg. SOAC-qualified) component of JTF-2.   They have my utmost respect for being the pinnacle of Canadian soldiering.   I know that I don't have the parts, and I am not the least bit ashamed to admit it, because I've done enough to satisfy my own military desires.   But I do tip my hat to those who have gone (and have had the requisite parts to go) the extra mile.   I know many of them, and they are seriously good at what they do.   A man needs to know his limitations, and I know mine.   That doesn't make me jealous - it makes me respectful with nothing to regret because I still get to serve alongside such excellent soldiers in a reduced capacity.

Anyhow, all of that to say that this ceaseless "clatter-trap", rumour and innuendo regarding JTF-2 is an utter   waste of band-width.   It does nobody any good for a whole host of reasons, the least of which are OPSEC and PERSEC (because we are a very small army).   If you want to know what JTF-2 is about, then visit their web-site.   If you want to know more, then attend the recruiting sessions that are open to any serving member who meets the minimum prerequisites for selection (as posted on the DIN).   If you think you have the parts, then go out for selection and see how you fare.   What more do you want?!?

As a "plain-jane" infantry officer with a vested interest in seeing that JTF-2 is able to do their work without a bunch of inappropriate "wannabe interest", I would humbly ask those of you with a "JTF fetish" to cease and desist.   If you are serious about joining the unit, then pursue the options that I have laid out above.   Stop asking the same old, tired, and quite idiotic "newbysniperninjawannabeJTF2commando" questions that are so   disappointingly posted here time and time again.   Be an man (or woman), join the Army, do your basic time, apply for selection, and then find out whether or not you've got what it takes.  

At the end of the day, I am getting tired of the endless JTF threads.   "Wannabes" need not ask nor apply.   If you've got the parts then just do it.   Otherwise, sum the f#ck up.

As always, just my $.02 worth

 

[Teddy Ruxpin]

:'(  *sniff*  That was beautiful...

 

[Fishbone Jones]

 

[Haggis]

At the end of the day, I am getting tired of the endless JTF threads.   "Wannabes" need not ask nor apply.   If you've got the parts then just do it.   Otherwise, sum the f#ck up.

Can we get this put at the top of every new JTF2 thread?

 

[Infanteer]

It will be - and as far as I'm concerned, MarkC has managed to top another thread off with a flourish....

 

[Slim]

Beautifully done....Lets save the whole damn thing and send it to each new wannnabe who brings up DHTC and the crowd who dwell within!

 

[Michael OLeary]

Thread added to Infantry FAQ.