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Wikileaks - forum for whistleblowing

This site has had a huge impact in the last couple of years. A quick search of the forums here shows it's influence. Misdemeanor two timer Julian Assange is not particularly relevant. Wikileaks whistle blowing and journalistic  credibility are the new reality.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2012/aug/22/julian-assange-media-contempt
 
Nemo888 said:
This site has had a huge impact in the last couple of years. A quick search of the forums here shows it's influence. Misdemeanor two timer Julian Assange is not particularly relevant. Wikileaks whistle blowing and journalistic  credibility are the new reality.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2012/aug/22/julian-assange-media-contempt

Are you absolutely sure that this isn't just another "Conspiracy Theory", perhaps espoused by one of Assange's supporters or some other wack job who lives and breaths "Conspiracy Theories"?


In 2008 – two years before the release of the "collateral murder" video, the Iraq and Afghanistan war logs, and the diplomatic cables – the Pentagon prepared a secret report which proclaimed WikiLeaks to be an enemy of the state and plotted ways to destroy its credibility and reputation. But in a stroke of amazing luck, Pentagon operatives never needed to do any of that, because the establishment media in the US and Britain harbor at least as much intense personal loathing for the group's founder as the US government does, and eagerly took the lead in targeting him. Many people like to posit the US national security state and western media outlets as adversarial forces, but here – as is so often the case – they have so harmoniously joined in common cause.

When it comes to the American media, I've long noted this revealing paradox. The person who (along with whomever is the heroic leaker) enabled "more scoops in a year than most journalists could imagine in a lifetime" – and who was quickly branded an enemy by the Pentagon and a terrorist by high U.S. officials – is the most hated figure among establishment journalists, even though they are ostensibly devoted to precisely these values of transparency and exposing serious government wrongdoing. (This transparency was imposed not only on the US and its allies, but also some of the most oppressive regimes in the Arab world).

But the contempt is far more intense, and bizarrely personal, from the British press, much of which behaves with staggering levels of mutually-reinforcing vindictiveness and groupthink when it's time to scorn an outsider like Assange. On Tuesday, Guardian columnist Seumas Milne wrote a superb analysis of British media coverage of Assange, and observed that "the virulence of British media hostility towards the WikiLeaks founder is now unrelenting." Milne noted that to the British press, Assange "is nothing but a 'monstrous narcissist', a bail-jumping 'sex pest' and an exhibitionist maniac" – venom spewed at someone "who has yet to be charged, let alone convicted, of anything."

The man went beyond acceptable Security measures in the release of information that he released to the Public.  At the same time, he is very hypocritical in his protection of his own personal information. 

Sorry, Julian, but if you think the release of State 'secrets' is acceptable in the "Information Age" then the release of your own personal information should be just as acceptable.

He is playing the media for all it is worth.  Appearing dishevelled and unshaven.  Bull.  This guy is a egotistical huckster, out to sell his brand of news. 
 
We preach transparency and a free press is why we are better than our enemies.

Was our turn getting spanked by having our business published really so bad? All it showed was that the US told the truth and  it increased their prestige and credibility.  It annoyed some of our scummier allies as it exposed their hypocrisy and corruption(exposing hypocrisy and corruption is good thing IMO).  It also showed how much influence the US has on Canadian policy. Not a single death resulted and it showed we can withstand scrutiny. We should start dumping our enemies dirty laundry on Wikileaks. Don't they have much more to fear from a free press? Transparency keeps people honest. Now that the press is severely limited and biased we need independent news sources.  Obama has charged 6 whistle blowers for the first time in US history under the espionage act. Something even McCarthy in his commie hunting heyday didn't have the guts to do. I am not of the my country right or wrong school. I believe we can only make people live by the values we live by.
 
Nemo, the problem is not only does Wikileaks not "dump" enemy secrets; they don't even try to get them.

Imagine how the "Green Revolution" could have turned out if evidence of IRanian nuclear ambitions, financial dirty dealings and terrorist support had been made public knowledge at the time, or how different the "Arab Spring" could have been if Wikileaks had found and dished dirt on the Muslim Brotherhood. Add your own repressive regime here.

No, the reason Wikileaks ignores China, Russia and the Arab states is its purpose was and is only to discredit and embarrass the United States and the  liberal West in general.
 
Hard to believe someone put the words "Wikileaks" and "journalistic  credibility" in the same sentence.


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Nemo888 said:
We preach transparency and a free press is why we are better than our enemies.

Was our turn getting spanked by having our business published really so bad? All it showed was that the US told the truth and  it increased their prestige and credibility.  It annoyed some of our scummier allies as it exposed their hypocrisy and corruption(exposing hypocrisy and corruption is good thing IMO).  It also showed how much influence the US has on Canadian policy. Not a single death resulted and it showed we can withstand scrutiny. We should start dumping our enemies dirty laundry on Wikileaks. Don't they have much more to fear from a free press? Transparency keeps people honest. Now that the press is severely limited and biased we need independent news sources.  Obama has charged 6 whistle blowers for the first time in US history under the espionage act. Something even McCarthy in his commie hunting heyday didn't have the guts to do. I am not of the my country right or wrong school. I believe we can only make people live by the values we live by.


Such naïveté.  Security issues are not the domain of the public, nor are diplomatic wheelings and dealings.  They are dealt with by the 'professionals' whose job it is to ensure that the public is safe to go about their everyday lives/business without threat.  There is no openness anywhere.  Openness is a sign of weakness that allows our various and numerous enemies (terrorist, state, business, religious, etc.) to take advantage of, and exploit, us.  This is not paranoia, but a fact of human nature.
 
Thucydides said:
Nemo, the problem is not only does Wikileaks not "dump" enemy secrets; they don't even try to get them.

Imagine how the "Green Revolution" could have turned out if evidence of IRanian nuclear ambitions, financial dirty dealings and terrorist support had been made public knowledge at the time, or how different the "Arab Spring" could have been if Wikileaks had found and dished dirt on the Muslim Brotherhood. Add your own repressive regime here.

No, the reason Wikileaks ignores China, Russia and the Arab states is its purpose was and is only to discredit and embarrass the United States and the  liberal West in general.

That, and those others most likely would have engineered a fatal accident for him.  ;)
 
Nemo888 said:
Not a single death resulted and it showed we can withstand scrutiny.

Really?  Are you sure?  We  (you, me, the mainstream media) will likely never know how many deaths resulted from Julian Assange's actions.  The information he leaked was about real people, in really nasty and dangerous places working to thwart really nasty and dangerous people  and organizations who would kill them if they found out who they were and what they were doing.
 
There is a time and a place for national security/secrecy.  George Wallace summed it up well with this one sentence.
They are dealt with by the 'professionals' whose job it is to ensure that the public is safe to go about their everyday lives/business without threat. 
  There maybe dirty dealings between countries, and things that must and have always been done to ensure the safety of a nation's populous.  Exposure to those activities will jeopardize the lives of people in the field and eliminate any future information from them.  It also has the potential of revealing means and methods which can hamper collection activities in the future.

/poli sci student
 
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