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Well you can always send us some of that Chinese coal for us to burn But we have our own.
Worldwide Energy Crisis
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bury it in a subduction zone?
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Jerry Pournelle observed - only partly facetiously - that encasing the waste in an inert substance (ie. glass) and stacking it in a fenced compound in the desert would serve. The perimeter fence would mark the limit of tolerable radiation, and signs would essentially warn trespassers that to approach would be to die. I suppose there would actually have to be some security to prevent motivated and well-equipped intrusion. The advantage is that it's highly accessible when someone figures out a use for the stuff. Storage underground would be reasonable, and probably safer, but not out of reach, and not any place not highly tectonically stable.
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Next you will want sharks with frickin laser beam attached....
We have 3 feet of snow back in Halifax, and 30-40 more CMs coming Tuesday... Want to borrow some ?
FYI I'm in Ireland right now lol My wife is not pleased lol
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…to SNC Lavelin….errr…I mean, AtkinsRéalis.
Not a good look on the Harper government back in 2011.
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Lithium battery warehouse goes up in flames
Blaze raises concerns about storage of components known to spontaneously combust
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Energy: The Canadian Way
Canada’s energy sector is not only powering the nation today; it will also play a role in fueling a more prosperous future.
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Energy: The Canadian Way
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It's not District Heating. It's not incinerators. It's not Combined Heat and Power.
It's Thermal Energy Networks.
Those thoroughly modern Danes and Swedes are doing it. We should too.
theconversation.com
Now all we have to do is rip up the streets, lay pipelines downtown, and install communal furnaces locally. Maybe we could even emulate the Swedes completely and use the furnaces to incinerate our waste.
It's Thermal Energy Networks.
Those thoroughly modern Danes and Swedes are doing it. We should too.
Canada could use thermal infrastructure to turn wasted heat emissions into energy
In Canada, heat produced by data centres, grocery stores, laundromats, restaurants, sewage systems and hockey arenas could be captured and turned into energy.
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Now all we have to do is rip up the streets, lay pipelines downtown, and install communal furnaces locally. Maybe we could even emulate the Swedes completely and use the furnaces to incinerate our waste.
Thanks for that. It caused me to go a’Googlin’. I didn’t realize how many waste heat energy capture projects were already happening. Here’s an article focusing on the first half on a recent one in Ottawa, but then it gives a bunch more current or proposed examples.It's not District Heating. It's not incinerators. It's not Combined Heat and Power.
It's Thermal Energy Networks.
Those thoroughly modern Danes and Swedes are doing it. We should too.
Canada could use thermal infrastructure to turn wasted heat emissions into energy
In Canada, heat produced by data centres, grocery stores, laundromats, restaurants, sewage systems and hockey arenas could be captured and turned into energy.
Now all we have to do is rip up the streets, lay pipelines downtown, and install communal furnaces locally. Maybe we could even emulate the Swedes completely and use the furnaces to incinerate our waste.
Makes sense. If money has already been spent to heat water or air, and it’s still carrying that heat after serving its initial purpose, then it may well be economical to keep using it for something else.
I couldn't tell if you were being sarcastic or not so on the premise that you were not, in Malmo the pipes are above ground and insulated. It isn't as if the entire city is blanketed with these pipes. They planned ahead and built the incinerator in the midst of their intended customers; be it small apartment blocks, hospitals or whatever. At the time of construction, no one was worried about global warming so the local coal fueled power plant supplied the electricity but now with everyone hung up on the green thing it wouldn't take a lot to imagine a garbage powered generator providing the same amount of energy as the current heat system does.It's not District Heating. It's not incinerators. It's not Combined Heat and Power.
It's Thermal Energy Networks.
Those thoroughly modern Danes and Swedes are doing it. We should too.
Canada could use thermal infrastructure to turn wasted heat emissions into energy
In Canada, heat produced by data centres, grocery stores, laundromats, restaurants, sewage systems and hockey arenas could be captured and turned into energy.
Now all we have to do is rip up the streets, lay pipelines downtown, and install communal furnaces locally. Maybe we could even emulate the Swedes completely and use the furnaces to incinerate our waste.
I really find the data centers bit interesting. Some of the cloud computing or AI data centers are enormous and out out a
buttload of waste heat, and these are a relatively newer phenomenon in terms of infrastructure. Given how much thermal energy they’re putting out, capture and reuse of that heat should absolutely be a sine qua non of building them. Some various towns have already done this in a few different places.
buttload of waste heat, and these are a relatively newer phenomenon in terms of infrastructure. Given how much thermal energy they’re putting out, capture and reuse of that heat should absolutely be a sine qua non of building them. Some various towns have already done this in a few different places.
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I was being sarcastic and I am well aware of both the functioning of district heating systems and the way that they developed.
As you rightly say they were built into the district plan from the beginning. High efficiency combined heat and power was the intention from at least the 1930s.
Where we in Canada sought to eliminate "pollution" the Europeans, the Scandinavians in particular, took a more pragmatic approach and sought to minimize pollution.
The difference is we shut down coal fired plants in cities where we could have used the 70% of the thermal energy that is otherwise wasted and banished them to places like Nanticoke, Sheerness and Coronach where there was no district to heat.
The Swedes in particular decided to keep the "furnaces" in districts where they could share the heat as well as the power. They installed evermore efficient scrubbers, some of which captured economically useful byproducts but which also permitted the incineration of wet and dirty fuels like garbage. Then they added natural gas to the fuel mix.
At the same time they added cogeneration systems to generate more power from the flue gases going up the stacks.
One major advantage of the Swedish system in a high density environment is they only have one stack to manage and that can be done cost effectively and efficiently.
They are not trying to manage thousands of small sources.
The Scandinavians developed clean societies through being thrifty. They didn't have a lot of cheap fuel, or much of anything else, so they made the absolute most of what they had. Efficiency became a watchword for them. It made them rich. They became richer by selling their model overseas.
By the time the rest of the world became addicted to the green fad the Scandinavians were already green.
And they had got there without having to believe the end of the world was nigh.
Pragmatic efficiency made them model societies, not absolutist millenarianism.
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Probably a fair bit, but not efficiently - it's mostly softwoods with low BTUs. At least it's dry.
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Got to be better than wet garbage and straw. And if nothing else it would clean up a mess. Controlled burn?
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With the advent of purpose designed chips for AI/Cloud and other evolutions in computing technology, there may be a noticeable/significant reduction in heat generation as thing become more efficient.
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