"You get stuck in Iraq..."

[tomahawk6]

Sizeable majorities?     

As Bill Maher said on Friday night:
"And...and we also had a little thing called the Bill of Rights. A great nation doesn't torture people or make them disappear without a trial. Bush keeps saying the terrorists hate us for our freedom. And he's working damn hard to see that pretty soon that won't be a problem."

Quoting Maher makes you seem like one of the democrat nutroots. This is a war. Terrorists are being treated like we would a POW. They are removed from the fight until their disposition is decided by a military tribunal. Second terrorists have information that may save lives. Many terrorists give up information without much encouragement. Then there are the hard cases who have the blood of hundreds on their hands those guys wont give up their secrets without duress. This is where waterboarding comes in. Most give up their information in a minute or so of this treatment.This information has saved lives.

As for Maher's freedom comment if we dont deal with these jihadists we wont be enjoying our freedom. Look at Europe. Increasingly radical muslim's are demanding to have sharia law and violently object to the practice of freedoms enjoyed by majorities. We are seeing the first stages of the minority attempting to force the majority to bow to their wishes.

 

[tomahawk6]

By the way some guardsmen from Minnesora's 34th Division have a message for Kerry.

 

[paracowboy]

never mind. Too many windows open, not enough brain cells engaged. :-[

 

[Yrys]

Embattled Kerry seeks low profile

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/6105004.stm

Former US presidential candidate John Kerry has cancelled
plans to help other Democrats ahead of key polls next week,
amid a row over remarks about troops.

Sidenote:

The members of the United States military are plenty smart
and they are plenty brave and the senator from Massachusetts
owes them an apology," Mr Bush said.

Is it just me (I'm a francophone) or Mr.Bush could have use
a better english on that one?

 

[Journeyman]

The members of the United States military are plenty smart and they are plenty brave and the senator from Massachusetts
owes them an apology," Mr Bush said.

Is it just me (I'm a francophone) or Mr.Bush could have use a better english on that one?

George W doesn't speak English; he's from TEXAS    (so he's actually doing quite well  ;D  )

 

[KevinB]

Grammar and GW dont get along...

 

[ProPatria Mike]

Quoting Maher makes you seem like one of the democrat nutroots. This is a war. Terrorists are being treated like we would a POW. They are removed from the fight until their disposition is decided by a military tribunal. Second terrorists have information that may save lives. Many terrorists give up information without much encouragement. Then there are the hard cases who have the blood of hundreds on their hands those guys wont give up their secrets without duress. This is where waterboarding comes in. Most give up their information in a minute or so of this treatment.This information has saved lives.

How do you know this information has saved lives?

I expect Bush's greatest fan will show up before election, BTW.

Osama.

Just like last time.

 

[Blakey]

Former US presidential candidate John Kerry has cancelled
plans to help other Democrats ahead of key polls next week,

He knows he's FUBAR'd, he won't go within a country mile of any other democratic hopefull, either that or they have told him not to bother. In any case....STICK A FORK IN HIM!

 

[Zell_Dietrich]

I think it is going to take more than this gaffe to turn things around for Bush and co. this time.  Sure the GOP will be using this to drum up some support but I doubt that they will get much mileage from it.

Well in NJ they just had a court ruling that same sex couples can get the same benefits married couples. *gasp* (This was the same issue the Republicans won with last time) (interesting,  they are against gay marrage, but all for senators... young interns ... what why are you looking at me like that?  Too soon?)

On a fun side http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r87-IJAKOHY

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=imXnwoTHxvg
He forgot one word in a joke and changed how it could be interpreted  I love the cnn spin.  :warstory:

 

[gnome123]

It is amusing of how draft dodgers (Bush) are using this to get up in the polls against someone who actually served (Kerry).


Politics are vicious. Reminds me of highschool 

 

[sigpig]

    We have been the cowards lobbing cruise missiles from 2,000 miles away. That's cowardly. Staying in the airplane when it hits the building, say what you want about it, it's not cowardly.
    —Bill Maher, Politically Incorrect (2001)

Ya, I put a lot of stock in what Bill Maher says. Not.

potato

He was fired from his show for that quote and I believe he apologized for it afterward.

And watching Bill on a regular basis, on both tv and the net, I do put a lot of stock in what he says.

 

[sigpig]

Quoting Maher makes you seem like one of the democrat nutroots.

That would be me. As opposed to those who seem to be happy watching Bush and Co turn the US into a fascist theocracy.

[quote author=tomahawk6]
This is a war. Terrorists are being treated like we would a POW. They are removed from the fight until their disposition is decided by a military tribunal. Second terrorists have information that may save lives.[/quote]

Yes, I'm sure a lot of those Afghani taliban types swept up five years ago for standing in the wrong place have lots of vital information for current activities.


[quote author=tomahawk6]
As for Maher's freedom comment if we dont deal with these jihadists we wont be enjoying our freedom. Look at Europe. Increasingly radical muslim's are demanding to have sharia law and violently object to the practice of freedoms enjoyed by majorities. We are seeing the first stages of the minority attempting to force the majority to bow to their wishes.[/quote]

What has dealing with people in Afghanistan/Iraq got to do with how western democracies deal with the muslims living amongst them? No, I don't want muslims taking over western countries who are too afraid to just say no to them. I'm an atheist for dogs sake, so I despise the idea of those secular states being hijacked by someones religious agenda. But does that make it right to beat the hell out of the people in Afghanistan/Iraq?

 

[sigpig]

When he received his third qualifying wound, the "war hero" took advantage of the policy allowing him to request a non-combat assignment.

So how many wounds would it take for you to approve someone requesting a non-combat assignment? Five? Ten? I think many reasonable people would say to themselves after three wounds, "You know, I think that's enough and I don't think I need to try for four. Time to let someone else have a go at it."

 

[spud]

And watching Bill on a regular basis, on both tv and the net, I do put a lot of stock in what he says.

    But I've often said that if I had — I have two dogs — if I had two retarded children, I'd be a hero. And yet the dogs, which are pretty much the same thing. What? They're sweet. They're loving. They're kind, but they don't mentally advance at all.... Dogs are like retarded children.

    —Bill Maher, Politically Incorrect (2001)

He's certainly known for presenting blanaced and insightful commentary :. However if you choose to form your opinions based on the ramblings of a pop culture figure that is your business.

potato

 

[sigpig]

However if you choose to form your opinions based on the ramblings of a pop culture figure that is your business.

potato

Yes it is. However I never saw the Politically Correct show, nor do I research quotes from it. I am referring to his comments from his current Real Time show on HBO that I've been watching for the last year or so.

 

[spud]

Yes it is. However I never saw the Politically Correct show, nor do I research quotes from it. I am referring to his comments from his current Real Time show on HBO that I've been watching for the last year or so.

Nor do I, I had heard them previously and simply copied them from the web to make sure I got them right.  FWIW, I'm not going to engage in a 15 post flame war just because you listen to Bill Maher and I don't, that's silly. We're obviously not going to see eye-to-eye on this! Nothing wrong with agreeing to disagree.

BTW, I see you're in Florida, hope you're having nice weather.

potato

 

[sigpig]

BTW, I see you're in Florida, hope you're having nice weather.

potato

Actually it's been unusually warm lately. I've only had to put the liner of my motorcycle jacket in for two mornings so far. But it gets better in Dec - Mar when the humidity calms down and we can actually enjoy being outside instead of enduring it 

I do miss snow. At least looking at it. I don't miss that shovelling and driving in it...

 

[tomahawk6]

If the US were a fascist theocracy you would be on your way to Gitmo. ;D

 

[sigpig]

If the US were a fascist theocracy you would be on your way to Gitmo. ;D

I'm sure I'm on a guest list somewhere. 

 

[Brad Sallows]

>When he received his third qualifying wound, the "war hero" took advantage of the policy allowing him to request a non-combat assignment.

>So how many wounds would it take for you to approve someone requesting a non-combat assignment? Five? Ten?

That's not the point.  Read carefully: I raised no question at all about the merits of the policy.  (And three is plenty.)

>I think many reasonable people would say to themselves after three wounds, "You know, I think that's enough and I don't think I need to try for four. Time to let someone else have a go at it."

A reasonable person doesn't want to risk the first wound.  Still, there are people who keep going back.  The point is that Kerry did not go out of his way to find a combat assignment, did in fact seek what he thought would be a "swan" assignment, and then did take a way out when one presented.  If most other people would also take the same way out, it simply means that he took the average and reasonable course.