The Great Gun Control Debate- 2.0

[OldSolduer]

The idea of a registry only tells criminals where the weapons are. There is zero doubt in my mind that there would be corrupt individuals within the registry selling information.
Many years ago one of my mentors here in Corrections said there’s a dozen dirty guards employed here at any one time. A gun registry would be no different

 

[Eye In The Sky]

Personally I think you will see a minority of legal gun owners handing over their firearms in the end. I suspect a lot of hunting firearms will “fall off the boat into the water/bog, couldn’t recover it”. None of this, of course, will do anything to reduce real gun violence, or violence for that matter.

Back when I was becoming a teenager and getting interested in hunting and guns, my mom made me dad sell his old single shot Baikal 12ga (wish I had that now, nice hardwood stock etc). She tried to explain her logic that guns are dangerous. I remember saying “you better tell dad to sell the shovels in the shed and my baseball bat then”.

I could have the same argument with the current government; at best, they’re trying to “look like they’re doing something”. At worst, they’re trying to disarm their citizens for no good reason.

 

[OldSolduer]

Assault pistols will be the next..,,oh sorry JT already took pistols out of the hands of legal owners.

 

[Eye In The Sky]

Assault pistols will be the next..,,oh sorry JT already took pistols out of the hands of legal owners.

Archery will be next I think. There’s some pretty potent crossbows out there these days that are shooting fast speeds and now even multi-bolt options.

TwinStrike TAC2 | Dual-Trigger Crossbow System | Excalibur Crossbow

A high-performance dual-trigger crossbow system engineered for accuracy, speed, and control built to perform in demanding field conditions.

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340 FPS = 373 km/h or 232 mph.

This one is 510 FPS = 560km/h or 348 mph.

Nitro 505 (Certified Pre-Owned)

The reverse-draw TenPoint Nitro 505 is the fastest crossbow in the world and features easy cocking and safe de-cocking with the ACUslide.

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These will be next, or soon I fear.

 

[CBH99]

Archery will be next I think. There’s some pretty potent crossbows out there these days that are shooting fast speeds and now even multi-bolt options.

TwinStrike TAC2 | Dual-Trigger Crossbow System | Excalibur Crossbow

A high-performance dual-trigger crossbow system engineered for accuracy, speed, and control built to perform in demanding field conditions.

excaliburcrossbow.com

340 FPS = 373 km/h or 232 mph.

This one is 510 FPS = 560km/h or 348 mph.

Nitro 505 (Certified Pre-Owned)

The reverse-draw TenPoint Nitro 505 is the fastest crossbow in the world and features easy cocking and safe de-cocking with the ACUslide.

www.tenpointcrossbows.com

These will be next, or soon I fear.

It wouldn't surprise me if he did try to ban crossbows, seeing as even fewer Canadians have any connection to bow hunting than to firearms.

Good thing we have an election coming up soon


That attempt would be an even bigger waste of time & garner even more criticism, than the argument that...

"illegal crossbows are being used in crimes every day, so instead of focusing on reducing the importation of these illegal bows, we will take legally purchased bows away instead..."

Bows & arrows, banned. Brought to you by the same folks who decided to tax you on the 2nd most common element in the universe.

 

[CBH99]

Personally I think you will see a minority of legal gun owners handing over their firearms in the end. I suspect a lot of hunting firearms will “fall off the boat into the water/bog, couldn’t recover it”. None of this, of course, will do anything to reduce real gun violence, or violence for that matter.

Back when I was becoming a teenager and getting interested in hunting and guns, my mom made me dad sell his old single shot Baikal 12ga (wish I had that now, nice hardwood stock etc). She tried to explain her logic that guns are dangerous. I remember saying “you better tell dad to sell the shovels in the shed and my baseball bat then”.

I could have the same argument with the current government; at best, they’re trying to “look like they’re doing something”. At worst, they’re trying to disarm their citizens for no good reason.

I believe its the good old "try to look like they're doing something" method of governing.

The lowest intelligence voters will look at this and say "Guns are bad!" and be supportive of the government banning firearms across the board.

They will feel safer, and that's what's important to them. (Until someone robs them at gunpoint, who didn't get the memo...)


These are the same folks who literally thought a virus couldn't infect them if they were walking in the same direction as an arrow on the floor - an arrow that wasn't there the day prior...

 

[Colin Parkinson]

It wouldn't surprise me if he did try to ban crossbows, seeing as even fewer Canadians have any connection to bow hunting than to firearms.

Good thing we have an election coming up soon


That attempt would be an even bigger waste of time & garner even more criticism, than the argument that...

"illegal crossbows are being used in crimes every day, so instead of focusing on reducing the importation of these illegal bows, we will take legally purchased bows away instead..."

Bows & arrows, banned. Brought to you by the same folks who decided to tax you on the 2nd most common element in the universe.

Certain crossbows are already banned, as are Blowpipes and some ninga equipment.

 

[OldSolduer]

So let’s spend x billion dollars on a registry “if it saves just one life it will be worth it,”

What bollocks.

 

[CBH99]

So let’s spend x billion dollars on a registry “if it saves just one life it will be worth it,”

What bollocks.

I'll be honest, I'm glad I'm not the only one tho thinks this way

I don't know what formula between 'dollars spent & lives lost' is the answer for me...

but that whole "if it saves just one life it will be worth it" has always been an eyebrow raiser for me too.

Like it was said with the intention of becoming a slogan, nothing more.

 

[Booter]

That expression is a total nonstarter. There’s plenty of other places where billions have real lives to save. And there’s only so many billions. When I hear that expression it’s useful in helping me know how close I should listen to the person lol

 

[Eye In The Sky]

Not sure if many people are aware of this company. I have the basic package (covers firearms and archery), $85/year with the discount for having a CCFR membership. CSSA members and others might get a discount too...either way, $95/year is pretty decent.

Firearm Legal Defence

firearmlegaldefence.com

 

[Brad Sallows]

At worst, they’re trying to disarm their citizens for no good reason.

Everyone in high places understands that a population without firearms is less trouble to strongarm than a population with firearms. We've essentially given up on putting much effort into controlling low-level crime, so we must turn to keeping the honest part of the population honest before they start taking matters into their own hands. That means making it hard for people to act out, and coming down hard on those who do.

 

[Colin Parkinson]

That expression is a total nonstarter. There’s plenty of other places where billions have real lives to save. And there’s only so many billions. When I hear that expression it’s useful in helping me know how close I should listen to the person lol

People who say "You can't put a value on human life", haven't worked for an insurance company or understand what they do. They can even tell you how much your pinkie is worth.

 

[Eye In The Sky]

People who say "You can't put a value on human life", haven't worked for an insurance company or understand what they do Veterans Affairs Canada. They can even tell you how much your pinkie is worth.

* not many people understand what VAC does, especially VAC employees.

 

[Halifax Tar]

People who say "You can't put a value on human life", haven't worked for an insurance company or understand what they do. They can even tell you how much your pinkie is worth.

People who say "you cant put a value on human life" haven't come to grips with the fact that human life has no value and no one gets out alive.

Tragedy happens, and the world keep turning.

 

[calculus]

CCFR has launched a new letter writing program called Scrap C21. They've included a lot of interesting suggestions on what to include in a letter or social media post, and a link to the various C-21 committee members. It's a pretty good attempt at further mobilizing the gun community.

Scrap Bill C-21 - What can you do to stop B-C21

scrapc21.ca

 

[Eye In The Sky]

CCFR has launched a new letter writing program called Scrap C21. They've included a lot of interesting suggestions on what to include in a letter or social media post, and a link to the various C-21 committee members. It's a pretty good attempt at further mobilizing the gun community.

Scrap Bill C-21 - What can you do to stop B-C21

scrapc21.ca

Not sure if this is an accurate stat, but I recently heard that there are approximately 3 million legal firearms owners in Canada, and only about 10% of us belong to one of the big 3 organizations (CCFR, CSSA, and NFA).

We are not united and don’t have the strongest voice we could have.

 

[Eaglelord17]

Approximately 10% of Canadians have firearms. Don't forget that there is many homes where only one person is licensed but there is still firearms present, so even being relatively conservative at least 15-20% of Canadians live in a dwelling which firearms are located. That doesn't mean everyone in that household is pro-firearms (I have heard of cases of widows not even waiting for the husbands body to be cold to run the firearms off to the police station as they want them gone), but it does mean that there is a ton of exposure amongst many Canadians specifically of the more rural sort.

Firearms owners are not united in any way. Many would sell out the guy next to them if they thought it would save themselves. Not to mention there is many who look down on different types of firearms. Classic example would be the hunter with only one or two guns specifically for hunting who doesn't believe people should own pistols or anything semi-automatic. That classic example is the biggest threat to most firearms owners as they can put those people on the news and say 'look these people don't need those firearms, this guy owns guns and agrees!'. Because as we all know hunting is the only justifiable reason for owning a firearm.

 

[Haggis]

Because as we all know hunting is the only justifiable reason for owning a firearm.

Is it really? The only thing you hunt for is meat. You can more easily and safely head down to you local grocer and buy your meat, which some folks think was humanely grown from scratch in that Styrofoam tray.

 

[SeaKingTacco]

Is it really? The only thing you hunt for is meat. You can more easily and safely head down to you local grocer and buy your meat, which some folks think was humanely grown from scratch in that Styrofoam tray.

I think there was sarcasm in the previous post…