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The Great Gun Control Debate- 2.0

Some of it is “Oh ffs. 🙄”. Some them I am “meh” about.

What I am not “meh” about is the use of this tragedy to further the LPC gun agenda.

“Charged” with IPV should be found guilty of IPV. Full stop - in Canada you are innocent until proven guilty.
 
Some of it is “Oh ffs. 🙄”. Some them I am “meh” about.

What I am not “meh” about is the use of this tragedy to further the LPC gun agenda.

They are just recommendations at the moment.

WRT to ty ammo things wonder how they would police that with handloaders/reloaders like myself? Ban the sale of reloading components and materials ?
 
They are just recommendations at the moment.

WRT to ty ammo things wonder how they would police that with handloaders/reloaders like myself? Ban the sale of reloading components and materials ?

And how do they keep track? Easy.

They’ll treat sale of ammo and re-loading supplies like firearms; it all goes in a DB linked to your PAL #. One day you show up at your local store or BP and get told “you are at your limit, we can’t sell you powder etc right now”.
 
And how do they keep track? Easy.

They’ll treat sale of ammo and re-loading supplies like firearms; it all goes in a DB linked to your PAL #. One day you show up at your local store or BP and get told “you are at your limit, we can’t sell you powder etc right now”.

I mean how would they know what I've expended? I have to call in ever time I make a new box of .303Br ? Lol

I hope this all stays at the recommendation point. Especially since the perp didn't have a PAL and was using smuggled/stolen guns.
 
While not the ideal solution, black powder can be made easily and cheaply, at home. Lead is abundant to cast bullets. The hang up is primers. Buy lots of them before they classify them.
 
While not the ideal solution, black powder can be made easily and cheaply, at home. Lead is abundant to cast bullets. The hang up is primers. Buy lots of them before they classify them.

And brass. For .303Br you can only get 2-4 loads out of them before they start fail with case head separation.
 
Black powder is low pressure. I don't know if that would solve the separation problem.

I've got a number of calibers of brass, including .303, that I've been squirreling away for years.

.303 started life as a black powder cartridge.
 
I mean how would they know what I've expended? I have to call in ever time I make a new box of .303Br ? Lol

In the “New Canada”, you would have to register your ammo and submit reload and expenditure reports.

You’ll need a permit to transport ammo, and have an RSO sign a declaration before you leave the range you expended X amount of rounds. Because the only place you’ll be allowed to use it is at a range.

Folks might laugh now but…

I hope this all stays at the recommendation point. Especially since the perp didn't have a PAL and was using smuggled/stolen guns.

That doesn’t matter to folks like the current govt who just don’t want people to have guns and think hunting is stupid “if you want meat go to the grocery store”.
 
There are legal firearms owners who aren’t licensed. If you own antique firearms you do not require a PAL. You can’t buy loaded ammo but you can assemble/manufacture it yourself if you wish. Might be a small subsection of the firearms community but it is a section.

No reason to require a license for possession of ammo, you can’t acquire loaded munitions without a license. Making up a solution for a problem which doesn’t exist.
 
There are legal firearms owners who aren’t licensed. If you own antique firearms you do not require a PAL. You can’t buy loaded ammo but you can assemble/manufacture it yourself if you wish. Might be a small subsection of the firearms community but it is a section.

No reason to require a license for possession of ammo, you can’t acquire loaded munitions without a license. Making up a solution for a problem which doesn’t exist.

You don't have a license, I do. I go "purchase" 12ga shells and give it them you. Possession vs buying?
 
There are legal firearms owners who aren’t licensed. If you own antique firearms you do not require a PAL. You can’t buy loaded ammo but you can assemble/manufacture it yourself if you wish. Might be a small subsection of the firearms community but it is a section.

No reason to require a license for possession of ammo, you can’t acquire loaded munitions without a license. Making up a solution for a problem which doesn’t exist.
Yet.
 
Reality is that any switched on gang could pay a PAL holder to go buy ammo or components and get them to make it for them, either willingly or unwillingly.
 
Wow. I just skim-read Volume 4 of the MCC report very quickly and have to say, it really makes some logical leaps.

The recommendations about "Reducing Gun Lethality" in Volume 4, Part D really do rely on generalizations from case studies in AUS, NZL, and the UK without addressing if violence shifted to other means. They acknowledge that the shooter received his firearms illegally, and plough ahead with the Canadian Coalition for Gun Control 's policy position on firearms in general without tempering things by admitting that those policy prescriptions would not have made a whole lot of difference. The recommendations also imply a requirement for a new non-restricted registry, as the whole "prohibiting ammunition purchases" thing absolutely requires that. I also have no idea how their idea to restrict ammunition quantities would work, but it would be very costly for little payoff.

There is some good stuff like educating on gun laws and hotlines to report suspected illegal fireamrs (which seem designed to undermine the CFO though), but then they drop the ball by generalizing about things that everyone already tries like "better coordination." That's kind of like saying "try harder" without offering any executable ideas. They're coming to a party without a casserole.

To be blunt, I didn't read the whole report and examine its logic. But the initial impression I get is that most of the firearms-related recommendations are fluffy pablum and the policy positions of "the usual suspects" that is of limited value, and indeed un-executable in real life.
 
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Further to my last...a thought. Fluffy pablum, but also an excuse to make C-21 a confidence motion? Perhaps get the NDP to trigger an election on a issue the LPC will want to fight in the suburbs of Toronto, Montreal, and Vancouver?
 
You don't have a license, I do. I go "purchase" 12ga shells and give it them you. Possession vs buying?
You find some .22 rounds on the ground and you lack a firearms license. Do you deserve to go to jail?

Again its seeking a problem where there is none with the sole intent being to inconvenience firearms owners.

Your strawbuying example can be applied to many more things, which happens quite often like cigerettes, vapes, alcohol, etc.
 
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