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Government hints at boosting Canada’s military spending

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I have long said that you could fund the CAF to 4 percent of GDP, but we would still lag behind in NATO and be much the same where we are.

It's never the money, it's politics. It's procedures. It's the pork-barreling in our defence spending that makes us a paper tiger in NATO.

My only hope in all of this for the CAF and the GoC, whatever the political stripe that may be, is that it will rouse them out of the "Peace Dividend" slumber. The world has been unstable since 1945. We have used geography, proximity, and association as a Defence Policy ever since. ICBMs don't care how close to the U.S. or how far from Russia/China we are.

Don't give us a dime more, but let us spend money on defence like it matters. The fact we follow the same rules for purchasing a fighter aircraft as we do for buying office furniture for a Service Canada office is disgraceful. Don't treat defense procurement as a stimulus package for Canadian Industry. There I said it.

We spend so much money, time, and effort trying to get that money to stay in Canada; be it by awarding contracts to companies with no capability to produce items without first "retooling" and"developing the production lines", or by hamstringing perfectly competent and competitive bidders by forcing the project to be made in St. Margaret de Poutain de Champignon, QC because the ruling government either lost the seat in the election, or won it with promises.

We spend so much money and staff hours jumping through TBS regulations that are great for other departments, but are terrible for defence procurement. Some items you have to sole source, because there are technologies and capabilities no one else makes. By doing the bid process, you get companies clamoring for a project they can't deliver on, but because they tick the bright boxes on the score sheet....

I truly and honestly belief we need to split from PSPC and legislate that its not beholden to TBS, only to the PBO/PCO. The guiding principles of this new Defence Procurement department should be "Off the shelf, from somewhere else" if there isn't an industry in Canada.

BOOTFORGEN has demonstrated how well we do when we are able to actually get what we need, instead of lining the pockets of a Canadian company that got lucky.

That, but with tanks, fighters, ships, weapons systems....
 
Find me a weapon that does what the .50 does better. We tried with the C16 GMG, that's a dud so they brought the 50 back.
It was a toss up between the C6 SF and the .50 HMG for me. I thoroughly enjoyed firing and controlling the fire of both.

The sound of a well maintained, head spaced and timed .50 is absolutely awesome!!!
 
A 2% FLOOR......

2.5 to 3% Target.

The price of admission.


“Prior to the the invasion [of Ukraine] we were approximately spending 1.35 percent of our GDP on defense but this year we will reach 2 percent,” said Aastrup Jensen. “In a very short amount of time we have reached the floor, because we are fully agreeing that this should be the floor not the ceiling. If NATO and allies agree [at the Vilnius Summit] a higher target of 2.5 or 3 percent we have already stated that we will also reach that as soon as possible.”



Denmark considering military submarines after almost 20 year gap: Danish lawmaker

The Scandinavian nation divested of submarines in 2004 but lawmakers are actively considering whether to acquire them again.​

By TIM MARTINon June 12, 2023 at 2:31 PM


BELFAST — Denmark could be on the way to procuring new submarines as it looks to bolster maritime capabilities and deter Baltic Sea expeditions by Moscow.

The Scandinavian nation divested its fleet of submarines in 2004 but lawmakers are actively considering whether to acquire them again or rely on “close cooperation” with “friends” to deliver such capability, according to Michael Aastrup Jensen, chair of Denmark’s foreign policy committee.
He said during a Hudson Institute event today in Washington that the submarine discussions are happening “right now” as part of a wider political examination of future Danish defense requirements.

“Denmark is very strategic, meaning that all Russian Navy vessels have to sail through our waters if they come out from St. Petersburg or Kaliningrad and therefore we need to beef up our defense in depth, which is a completely new awakening for us,” said Aastrup Jensen.
In 2022, Copenhagen pledged investment of 40 billion Kroner ($58 million) for new naval ships to be built “within the coming years” and at the same time committed to developing a stronger “security of supply” with national maritime suppliers.

The latest submarine discussions coincide with the Royal Danish Navy close to announcing a replacement for ocean patrol vessels under the Thetis‐class frigate replacement program. A decision is expected imminently as part of Denmark’s most recent Defence Agreement — a document setting out a list of capabilities to be acquired over a ten year period.

The war in Ukraine has triggered a wide range of changes in Denmark’s defense posture, not least a June 2022 referendum ending the country’s European Union opt-out clause from security and military matters. Efforts to increase defense spending have been significant too.

“Prior to the the invasion [of Ukraine] we were approximately spending 1.35 percent of our GDP on defense but this year we will reach 2 percent,” said Aastrup Jensen. “In a very short amount of time we have reached the floor, because we are fully agreeing that this should be the floor not the ceiling. If NATO and allies agree [at the Vilnius Summit] a higher target of 2.5 or 3 percent we have already stated that we will also reach that as soon as possible.”

Copenhagen is also part of the European Leopard main battle tank coalition and has agreed to donate 19 Caesar artillery systems to Ukraine. More recently it has backed plans for F-16 fighter jets to be sent to Kyiv.

Aastrup Jensen said that surplus F-16s belonging to the Danish Air Force would be available to send to Ukraine once F-35A deliveries begin this fall, but he argued that it had taken far too long for the Biden administration to approve a decision allowing allies to train Ukrainian troops on the fourth generation jet.

“It is my intention and I think with broad support in parliament, that we can start up the training of F-16 teams, and thereafter a supply of F-16s to Ukraine,” added Aastrup Jensen. “Ukrainians have so much courage … but they need air power.”
 
It was always the floor, but prior to the Russian Invasion of Ukraine it wasn’t realy followed through with.

Canada better buckle up.
Well, there’s at least that $15B that Canada currently says is too hard for the thousands of newly-hired CRA public servants to recover from unqualified CERB recipients… 🤷🏻‍♂️
 
Well, there’s at least that $15B that Canada currently says is too hard for the thousands of newly-hired CRA public servants to recover from unqualified CERB recipients… 🤷🏻‍♂️

I have always been fascinated by hay - as in the amount of hay eaten by the horses that hauled the hay for the horses at the front to eat.
 
NATO/ Sekretarz generalny Stoltenberg: oczekuję, że podczas szczytu w Wilnie sojusznicy zobowiążą się do podwyższenia wydatków na obronę#PAPInformacje

Basically translates to be: 'The expectations are for allies to commit to an increase in defence spending at the Vilna Summit.'

Let's see how Trudeau and team manages to deflect and ignore this call yet again.
 
Israel says it has a European customer for their Merkava 3, to replace tanks donated to Ukraine. So some of our serving members might get a good close up look at these.
 
NATO/ Sekretarz generalny Stoltenberg: oczekuję, że podczas szczytu w Wilnie sojusznicy zobowiążą się do podwyższenia wydatków na obronę#PAPInformacje

Basically translates to be: 'The expectations are for allies to commit to an increase in defence spending at the Vilna Summit.'

Let's see how Trudeau and team manages to deflect and ignore this call yet again.
And cue Trudeau prepping for the NATO meeting in Vilna.

Canada to add 15 Leopard tanks, 130 troops to NATO battlegroup in Latvia​



12 month timeframe to ship over 15 tanks, associated maintenance vehicles and 130 people, unreal, pathetic.
 
A Mistral class amphibious assault ship can carry 40 Leclerc tanks, but they have transported M1 Abrams in the past.
 
It is pathetic. How long would it take to ship 15 tanks IF the CAF was properly staffed and equipped?

I'm guessing maybe a month.
For Afghanistan the request was made early in September 2006. The government approved the deployment of a 15 tank squadron and an armoured engineer troop on the 15th of September. The first tank arrived in theatre on the 3rd of October. The tanks were originally ready to forward deploy in November but the Dutch commander of ISAF RC(S) held that up until Lavoie, coming back from HTLA, convinced him that a 105mm round from a tank was a kinder and gentler way of dealing with strongpoints than a 155mm HE or a 500 lb bomb. With ISAF approval granted, the tanks forward deployed on 2 Dec 2006.

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I was going to post this in the Ukraine war thread as the YouTube video that linked it stated this is what the Ukraine's will be facing when they start their Offensive.

But IMHO, thought the video may be more appropriate here.

Think the CAF could do this? Dream on.

We literally validate doing this all the time
 
I used to call it coincidence.... now I am not so sure

Neither the Russians nor the Ukrainians have had much success in building and sustaining bridges across the Severo-Donetsk for long. And now the Ukrainians have to get across the Dnipro in Kherson. Of course they are operating in waters more suitable to launches than either amphibious buggies and rubber dinghies or frigates and submarines. Yet another race-course demanding yet another horse.

No sooner noted than another horse presents itself. Thanks to don3wing...

Here is a article on the 23 aircraft DHC-515 orders that DeHavilland has received.


No. Not his useful link to the DHC-515 article but the follow on article.

Coming to Canada: The Whiskey Multi Mission Reconnaissance Craft​



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Might want to generate an enclosed cabin version for Canada's waters, but still....

MMRC.... redesignate as MMRRC (Multi Mission Reconnaissance and Rescue Craft) and paint some orange.


If you want to do this sort of stuff more often, give the Naval Reserve in Victoria two CB 90 assault boats, they can double as patrol boats and landing craft.


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If you want to build a presence and small boat skills then operate launches on those waters. Equip them with an RWS like the TAPVs but keep the guns in a gun-locker.
 
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