Disinformation: Hogue & Beyond (split from Foreign Interference thread)

[Brad Sallows]

No. It’s actually false information used in those circumstances. Not information per se.

Then the phrase "false information" must be used.

Some definitions of disinformation include the use of truthful statements.

 

[Remius]

Then the phrase "false information" must be used.

Some definitions of disinformation include the use of truthful statements.

Sure. I was going off memory. The CSIS document lays it out. There is no carve out for media or politicians.

 

[The Bread Guy]

... in the middle is where it gets tricky. I don't know if the middle area (that I'll describe in a sec) is causing more damage than the blatant falsehoods, but it certainly would be the hardest to address. This is information that is partially true, but manipulated to serve a purpose, or "inaccurate" as the CSE would call it.

For sure.

And if you really want to parse terms, if the intent is to persuade, is that manipulation? Or is one person's manipulation another's persuasion?

 

[Lumber]

For sure.

And if you really want to parse terms, if the intent is to persuade, is that manipulation? Or is one person's manipulation another's persuasion?

I was literally have this debate with myself the other day. What is the line between persuasion, influence, and manipulation?

 

[The Bread Guy]

I was literally have this debate with myself the other day. What is the line between persuasion, influence, and manipulation?

I'm sure government bureaucrats'll sort it all out juuuuuuuuuuuuuuuust fine, right?

 

[Retired AF Guy]

Since the Soviets were the ones that first started it all, here is their definition of "disinformation:"

Soviet Disinformation Meaning

Disinformation, originally coined in the Soviet Union, was first used in 1923 when Joseph Stalin established a “special disinformation office” within the KGB’s predecessor, the State Political Directorate (GPU). The term was defined in the 1952 Great Soviet Encyclopedia as “the dissemination (in the press, radio, etc.) of false information with the intention to deceive public opinion.” Soviet planners used disinformation as a tactic in political warfare to manipulate both public opinion and decision-making elites.