CAN-USA Tariff Strife (split from various pol threads)

[Remius]

I love peated Irish whisky. Irish, not scotch. Scotch is what resulted when the Crown forbade the Irish to make whisky. The Scots started making it and cut enough corners to make it friendly to their uncouth palette.

Have a bottle of Bushmills Black that I have yet to crack open. My cottage whiskey.

 

[dapaterson]

The only one might be my rhum. I like The Kraken dark rhum. Not sure where that is made. I should check.

"Kraken Black Spiced Rum is a Caribbean black spiced rum.[1] The brand is owned and distributed by Proximo Spirits of Jersey City, New Jersey"

 

[RangerRay]

A lot of countries in Latin America, Africa and Asia-Pacific that are now going to see Beijing as a more reliable trade partner. And Beijing doesn’t ask pesky questions about corruption and human rights rights.

 

[Remius]

"Kraken Black Spiced Rum is a Caribbean black spiced rum.[1] The brand is owned and distributed by Proximo Spirits of Jersey City, New Jersey"

The bottle I checked is from Indiana. Sacrifices will have to be made I guess

 

[Cloud Cover]

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So there it is. Trump Tariffs are just his weapon for the Anschluss Kanada.

I’d actually be content to pay some more taxes to support a deficit that compensated BC, Alberta, Saskatchewan, Ontario and Quebec businesses and enact a 30-day shutdown of ALL energy to the US….oil, gas, electricity…so how fragile the U.S. really is. They simply couldn’t pivot their west Texas intermediate up into idled northern and mid-west refineries fast enough…and eastern seaboard US cities would have rolling blackouts…

As far as BC is concerned, I’d like to say keep your money. This provincial government could weather this dispute if they would only stop funding stupid things, and maybe try criminalizing possession of hard drugs like you know … Fentanyl.

 

[Kirkhill]

Well on the procurement front, if we wanna talk defense spending. America is now an untrustworthy partner for atleast 4 years, South Korea wants out business, let's give it to them, let's buy subs, howitzers, lead in fighter trainers etc, get them to build factories In Ontario. Convert existing factories that might get hard hit by US tariffs.

With respect to military procurement look at the competitors for US Army equipment.

See many US vendors?

I see BAE (British Aerospace) and Rheinmetall. I see Hagglunds. I see MAN, Archer, Lynx, Caesar, CV90, BvS10, Puma, CB90. AIP subs are all foreign build. I see Hanwha and Hyundai and South Koreans and Japanese teaching the rest of the world how to run shipyards along with the Dutch and the Norwegians. Israelis and Turks.

Ukrainian TTPs.

The US has been standing pat since the Reagan years.

 

[RangerRay]

"Kraken Black Spiced Rum is a Caribbean black spiced rum.[1] The brand is owned and distributed by Proximo Spirits of Jersey City, New Jersey"

Back to Lamb’s for me I guess. I can’t find Pusser’s anywhere in Manitoba. I have to go to Fargo for that.

 

[Cloud Cover]

Under both of those "why" scenarios the broadstrokes outlook is the same- longterm we need to develop a more diverse and robust economy, with more self reliance and more east- west international trade.

There's more complexity under the 3rd option- coersion to satisfy non annexation geopolitical goals. In that scenario we still need to make the shift so that we will not be so exposed in the future, but also make a concerted effort to see if there is a way to satisfy those goals without completely sacfricing our sovereignty

If his aim is territorial expansion then Canada having all the trading partners in the world won’t make a difference.
He’ll just arrange for a radio station to be “attacked”.

 

[Fishbone Jones]

Have a bottle of Bushmills Black that I have yet to crack open. My cottage whiskey.

What I'll typically order in a bar, if the better ones aren't available. If you have a chance for Duty Free, try their blue label Bushmills. Expensive here but cheap at the DF.

 

[Kirkhill]

If we were to make the assumption that President Trumps aim and intent of tariffs is territorial acquisition, So What?
What actions does Canada take that are fully within our control? How are they different than if President Trumps aim and intent is the US economy?

I guess we could park a Leopard at each port of entry. They wouldn't have to roll far once they got off the flatbed.

 

[Remius]

What I'll typically order in a bar, if the better ones aren't available. If you have a chance for Duty Free, try their blue label Bushmills. Expensive here but cheap at the DF.

It’s why it’s my cottage drink. Haven’t had the blue label yet but will consider it next time I go in for a booze run.

 

[Fishbone Jones]

If his aim is territorial expansion then Canada having all the trading partners in the world won’t make a difference.
He’ll just arrange for a radio station to be “attacked”.

It's not. Unless we let him.

 

[Halifax Tar]

I love peated Irish whisky. Irish, not scotch. Scotch is what resulted when the Crown forbade the Irish to make whisky. The Scots started making it and cut enough corners to make it friendly to their uncouth palette.

Scotch is for people who like to chew on wet soggy dirt and moss.

Canadian Rye and Irish Whiskey for me.

Also I can't say no to Caesar or G&T.

 

[Cloud Cover]

I guess we could park a Leopard at each port of entry. They wouldn't have to roll far once they got off the flatbed.

Swarms of Black Flies after we spray 10th Mountain with maple syrup.

 

[Remius]

Swarms of Black Flies after we spray 10th Mountain with maple syrup.

That’s a waste. Plenty of corn syrup for that.

 

[brihard]

Feel free to go through my posts and find where I said I agree with his use of tariffs.

I am on the fence, in the middle, not overly concerned of the tariffs on either side being the end game. I can think beyond the here and now and extreme rhetoric from both sides. I can see the tariff issue as a means to drive both sides into a negotiated settlement. Rather than hang around and not be able to see beyond the tariff starting blocks. Which trudeau just did. Retaliating in the here and now instead of looking a few steps further down the process.

I think both sides are wrong in the use of tariffs, but I think, maybe, Trump is using this as a cudgel. He knows the broken promises, hedging and dishonest discussions of dealing with trudeau and his jellyfish. This might well have been designed to make people act. However, they respond. It's shit or get off the pot time and break a few eggs. Not time to make appeasing pseudo agreements still outstanding 4 years from now.

Call it stupid, call it fanciful or whatever else you want. We need someone that can get in to see him and speak on his level, like Kevin O'Leary, who has the skills and is already in on the favourful edge of Trumps circle. We need to have someone sit across the table and say "what's your bottom line and how do we make it a win, win for us both. Trump needs to see we are serious about our commitments, including NATO. We need to put our money where our mouth is and move on from the petty games.

So, as you can see, I've never been for the tariffs on either side, I'm for finding out the end game and negotiating, in good faith for a change, a way to get there advantagous to both of us.

Just to be clear, I didn’t accuse you of supporting the tariffs. I did ask if you think Trump bears any responsibility because you’re his biggest supporter here and I’m curious if this affects your views of him at all, though I won’t push you in that. You sorta conceded that he does wear some of this without actually mentioning him, so I’ll give you that.

 

[YZT580]

Opportunity is born of chaos, and we are about to face substantial chaos. It's time for us to broaden our supply chains so that we're not so dependent on the US. For example, do we need citrus from Florida or California? No, we can get that from any number of other stable sources. Will there be short term pain? Yes, but we will adjust to slightly higher prices for goods over time.

shipping costs really don't add that much. If they did, products from Asia would carry higher price tags. At the moment, beef from Australia for example is dollars per kilo less than either American or Canadian. (at least it is on the grocery shelf) Our problem will be developing other markets and more importantly the infrastructure to get it there. Previous posts have mentioned pipe lines. The news should be carrying evidence of serious plans to start laying pipe in 3 directions: west, east to Hudson's Bay and east to New Brunswick. All this handwringing simply sounds like the same old losers making excuses for their failures. And we should be drilling as well: adding product accessibility to feed those new lines. Both Germany and Japan have asked to work with us; go for it. Trade oil for subs with Korea. But stop sounding like a spoilt 10 year old

 

[ModlrMike]

The current list from GoC:

List of products from the United States subject to 25 per cent tariffs effective February 4, 2025 - Canada.ca

Effective February 4, 2025, the government is imposing 25 per cent tariffs on $30 billion in goods imported from the United States (U.S.).

www.canada.ca

 

[MilEME09]

The current list from GoC:

List of products from the United States subject to 25 per cent tariffs effective February 4, 2025 - Canada.ca

Effective February 4, 2025, the government is imposing 25 per cent tariffs on $30 billion in goods imported from the United States (U.S.).

www.canada.ca

Agricultural products will hit a lot of states, tires, glass and UAVs will also bite pretty good

 

[Kirkhill]

Opportunity is born of chaos, and we are about to face substantial chaos. It's time for us to broaden our supply chains so that we're not so dependent on the US. For example, do we need citrus from Florida or California? No, we can get that from any number of other stable sources. Will there be short term pain? Yes, but we will adjust to slightly higher prices for goods over time.

A lot of your juices and concentrates already come from places like Brazil and Chile. They have been cheaper than American supply for decades.