CAN-USA Tariff Strife (split from various pol threads)

[Fishbone Jones]

Which clowns, the Fed government or Team Canada that's currently in Washington holding pointless news conferences talking into empty space?

The feds are the only ones in that position. I won't include provincial premiers in this because both Ford and Smith are actually actively engaging the Americans on behalf of their provinces.

Trudeau with his "They're really coming for us. They're going to annex us" shtick is the sign of a sick minded scaremonger. Someone who is trying to ramp up fear and anxiety in a population already wondering what's going on. They won't let anyone in on their agenda. They should have convened a Committee of all parties to work on this. What are they hiding?

 

[Fishbone Jones]

I’ve never been a fan of Harper but I was pleased to see that he is definitely pro-Canada when it comes to Trump. (Paywall may apply with accompanying Toronto Star article.)

Stephen Harper says Canada should ‘accept any level of damage’ to fight back against Donald Trump

Speaking at the launch of his latest history book, “Flags of Canada,” former prime minister Stephen Harper welcomed a surge in Canadian nationalism.

www.thestar.com

He's a well respected economist around the world. Much more so than Carney. He can sit and explain the nuts, bolts and immediate and long range impacts, on both countries, in terms even Trump can understand. Carney is just an investment banker who looks for deals to make money.

 

[Fishbone Jones]

I hope it’s Team Canada. At least Poilievre, Harper and many other politicians of various political stripes are in basic unity with the steps that must be taken.

There is no Team Canada. The only ones allowed to make decisions are the liberals. Everyone else is individually voicing concerns and saying what they would do.

A Team Canada would be leaders and others from all parties participating in a single minded, purposeful approach to the problem.

All we have is Team Trudeau.

 

[Remius]

He's a well respected economist around the world. Much more so than Carney. He can sit and explain the nuts, bolts and immediate and long range impacts, on both countries, in terms even Trump can understand. Carney is just an investment banker who looks for deals to make money.

I get that you don’t particularly like Carney but his credentials are somewhat more extensive that just being an investment banker.

What is Harper currently doing other than heading his own consulting company and being employed by the CPC fundraiser machine? Not trying to knock him or anything but his CV post PM is thinner than his pre PM career.

And remember that Harper named Carney Governor of the BoC for reasons that went beyond being a simple investment banker.

 

[Halifax Tar]

He's a well respected economist around the world. Much more so than Carney. He can sit and explain the nuts, bolts and immediate and long range impacts, on both countries, in terms even Trump can understand. Carney is just an investment banker who looks for deals to make money.

Harper is the PM we stopped deserving.

 

[Remius]

Harper is the PM we stopped deserving.

And yet after 10 years he too became a tired and mostly done with gvt.

 

[JLB50]

And yet after 10 years he too became a tired and mostly done with gvt.

In fairness it happens to virtually every party that’s in power for very long. Which is why I like to see government’s fall after at least five or six years…eight max. I never like to see too strong a majority. Slim majority is better.

 

[suffolkowner]

And yet after 10 years he too became a tired and mostly done with gvt.

In fairness it happens to virtually every party that’s in power for very long. Which is why I like to see government’s fall after at least five or six years…eight max. I never like to see too strong a majority. Slim majority is better.

theres no rule that one has to quit and take your ball home just because you lost an election. Thats a choice and maybe a modern behaviour

 

[Halifax Tar]

And yet after 10 years he too became a tired and mostly done with gvt.

So we agree then ?

 

[Remius]

So we agree then ?

That he was leading a tired and done with gvt? Yes.

 

[MilEME09]

'Any level of damage': How far Stephen Harper would go to keep an independent Canada

The former prime minister talked about how far he would be willing to go to keep Canada from becoming the 51st state.

nationalpost.com

 

[suffolkowner]

I get that you don’t particularly like Carney but his credentials are somewhat more extensive that just being an investment banker.

What is Harper currently doing other than heading his own consulting company and being employed by the CPC fundraiser machine? Not trying to knock him or anything but his CV post PM is thinner than his pre PM career.

And remember that Harper named Carney Governor of the BoC for reasons that went beyond being a simple investment banker.

Harper has a Masters in Economics and Carney has a PhD as well as working as an economist. Its a strange comparison to make

 

[Kirkhill]

So, the thinnest of hairs of movement on (at least some kind of) pipelines?

Ottawa, provinces should discuss possibility of west-east oil pipeline: Wilkinson

MONTREAL - Federal Energy Minister Jonathan Wilkinson says Ottawa and the provinces should discuss the possibility of an oil pipeline to Eastern Canada to improve energy security and diversify trade.

www.thecanadianpressnews.ca

A tale of two pipelines: Quebec reconsiders LNG, but not oil

Just a day after categorically rejecting the Energy East oil pipeline, Quebec is now rethinking its stance on a liquefied natural gas (LNG) pipeline from Western Canada thanks to economic uncertainty and trade tensions with the US.

www.westernstandard.news

Some additional thoughts on pipelines and getting indigenous buy in should the government change.

East bound.

NeeStaNan (all of us) - Nee Sta Nan (all of us)

neestanan.ca

The NeeStaNan Utility Corridor Project will be led by First Nations. Prairie commodities such as potash, natural gas, wheat, and bitumen are landlocked in Western Canada. Current methods of transporting these resources are costly and inefficient, involving transporting resources via rail or pipelines to the west through the Rocky Mountains to reach international markets.

The NeeStaNan Utility Corridor will provide rail transportation for Potash to be shipped out of Port Nelson, Manitoba. Currently, potash is being railed to Port Moody, Vancouver. This is a longer more difficult route with mountains and a crowded port to contend with. NeeStaNan Utility Corridor will create opportunities by reducing rail by over “630 km” and shipping route by “3800 km”.

The NeestaNan Corridor would reduce the distance by over 4400 km - making it over 30% shorter.

New railway capacity
Connecting Canada’s agricultural products and minerals to international markets.

New international trade routes for Canada’s commodities.

This would be in addition to the Churchill route.

Arctic Gateway Group

www.arcticgateway.com

Western Energy Corridor — Home Page

www.westernenergycorridor.ca

Alberta reaches memorandum of understanding with Prairie provinces on trade corridors

The MOU will foster the development of economic corridors across Alberta, Saskatchewan and Manitoba.

calgaryherald.com

Premier Kinew and Minister Vandal announce support for the Arctic Gateway Group in northern Manitoba

PrairiesCan and Provincial funding supports the ongoing maintenance and operation of the Hudson Bay Railway.

www.canada.ca

Province of Manitoba | News Releases | Manitoba Government Invests $36.4 Million in Rail Line and Port Of Churchill to Increase International Trade

Province of Manitoba

news.gov.mb.ca

Money is being invested in reaching Hudson's Bay with the support of local and indigenous governments.

...

West bound

Just a reminder that there was indigenous support on getting pipelines to Prince Rupert AND floating tankers in Prince Rupert harbour.

Eagle Spirit Pipeline

Eagle Spirit Pipeline was a proposed oil pipeline in Alberta and British Columbia, Canada.[1] There have been no development updates since May 2019 and the project is presumed to be cancelled.[2][3]

www.gem.wiki

Eagle Spirit pipeline plan obtains 'licence' as B.C. First Nations chiefs sign on to project

Cattaneo: The pipeline has overcome the most significant stumbling block to such projects so far by persuading aboriginals they have more to gain than to lose

financialpost.com

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/tasker-pro-pipeline-first-nations-c-48-1.4941165

https://www.cbc.ca/news/indigenous/eagle-spirit-pipeline-alberta-legal-challenges-1.5343626

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All that is necessary is for Guilbeault to get out of the way.

 

[Fishbone Jones]

Some additional thoughts on pipelines and getting indigenous buy in should the government change.

East bound.

NeeStaNan (all of us) - Nee Sta Nan (all of us)

neestanan.ca

This would be in addition to the Churchill route.

Arctic Gateway Group

www.arcticgateway.com

Western Energy Corridor — Home Page

www.westernenergycorridor.ca

Alberta reaches memorandum of understanding with Prairie provinces on trade corridors

The MOU will foster the development of economic corridors across Alberta, Saskatchewan and Manitoba.

calgaryherald.com

Premier Kinew and Minister Vandal announce support for the Arctic Gateway Group in northern Manitoba

PrairiesCan and Provincial funding supports the ongoing maintenance and operation of the Hudson Bay Railway.

www.canada.ca

Province of Manitoba | News Releases | Manitoba Government Invests $36.4 Million in Rail Line and Port Of Churchill to Increase International Trade

Province of Manitoba

news.gov.mb.ca

Money is being invested in reaching Hudson's Bay with the support of local and indigenous governments.

...

West bound

Just a reminder that there was indigenous support on getting pipelines to Prince Rupert AND floating tankers in Prince Rupert harbour.

Eagle Spirit Pipeline

Eagle Spirit Pipeline was a proposed oil pipeline in Alberta and British Columbia, Canada.[1] There have been no development updates since May 2019 and the project is presumed to be cancelled.[2][3]

www.gem.wiki

Eagle Spirit pipeline plan obtains 'licence' as B.C. First Nations chiefs sign on to project

Cattaneo: The pipeline has overcome the most significant stumbling block to such projects so far by persuading aboriginals they have more to gain than to lose

financialpost.com

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/tasker-pro-pipeline-first-nations-c-48-1.4941165

https://www.cbc.ca/news/indigenous/eagle-spirit-pipeline-alberta-legal-challenges-1.5343626

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All that is necessary is for Guilbeault to get out of the way.

While we're slashing bush, spanning water and laying rail, would it be feasible and financially profitable to lay a pipeline next to it at the same time? One corridor all construction done at the same time, with co-operation of the rail and pipeline sharing costs. Efficient, economical and profitable for all.

 

[Kirkhill]

While we're slashing bush, spanning water and laying rail, would it be feasible and financially profitable to lay a pipeline next to it at the same time? One corridor all construction done at the same time, with co-operation of the rail and pipeline sharing costs. Efficient, economical and profitable for all.

My sense is that is exactly what the "corridor" proponents are suggesting. Rail, road, power and pipelines in one slash.

 

[foresterab]

While we're slashing bush, spanning water and laying rail, would it be feasible and financially profitable to lay a pipeline next to it at the same time? One corridor all construction done at the same time, with co-operation of the rail and pipeline sharing costs. Efficient, economical and profitable for all.

It's also less lands involved (important to some First Nations), better overall access (3 projects = better road than 3 temporary access points), and allows for the response god forbid anything goes wrong. When all the routes go different directions its much tougher to respond to a break/derailment etc.

Now sites like staging areas are built once (not three times) and you can also plan for things like key crossings over the infrastructure in advance reducing costs. Major pipelines like TransMountain or railways are not infrastructure you just randomly drive heavy equipment over in an emergency.

 

[GR66]

It's also less lands involved (important to some First Nations), better overall access (3 projects = better road than 3 temporary access points), and allows for the response god forbid anything goes wrong. When all the routes go different directions its much tougher to respond to a break/derailment etc.

Now sites like staging areas are built once (not three times) and you can also plan for things like key crossings over the infrastructure in advance reducing costs. Major pipelines like TransMountain or railways are not infrastructure you just randomly drive heavy equipment over in an emergency.

So a single railway/highway/pipeline/power line/fibre optic cable corridor all built at once? Love it!

 

[Remius]

So a single railway/highway/pipeline/power line/fibre optic cable corridor all built at once? Love it!

From a security perspective it would be able to knock it all out at once though…

But it is a good idea

 

[foresterab]

So a single railway/highway/pipeline/power line/fibre optic cable corridor all built at once? Love it!

I could easily picture a rough road to allow route clearance. Start building a railway to allow for large scale shipments and add in the spurs/bypasses to create the laydown yards/staging areas/work camps needed.

As the rail moves forward start building the road beside it. Place power lines on one side (downwind) and pipeline on the other. Fiber optic can be run under power lines/ditches easy.

You can adjust the order slightly but it has to be easier than other projects flying in every power pole or trucking 1,000's of km of product to create fill/end dumps. And if you're working off a port you might be able to start from both sides at once speeding things up as well.

I don't really know northern Manitoba but I have to think a permanent all season road in close proximity is a huge economic uplift for any local community. No longer trapped by seasonal access things like medical appointments - even if it's Winnipeg - are doable without involving charter flights. Cost of buying a truck load of groceries vs. air freight at the northern store?

 

[Fishbone Jones]

And Quebec might even be happy for a change given the material and manpower they could get from a project this size.