CAN-USA Tariff Strife (split from various pol threads)

[lenaitch]

I find it almost amusing when somebody comes up with an idea to make money, then wants somebody else's money, most often public money, to flesh it out.

Their website talk about "the route", but proposes no route. Hopefully it's better than the one in the CBC article that goes straight across Lake Winnipeg.

Port Nelson was rejected once for, among other things, significant silting and, according to one hydrologist in that article, is worse now. The Port of Churchill already has a deep water harbourand its railway struggles to become profitable and has received millions in public money to work towards that. I'm not sure why we would create competition for it.

The people who will earn the most from this will be the consultants.

 

[Brad Sallows]

That’s like saying “We robbed the bank and burned it down because the other side skimmed some cash from the cash register”.

I referred to the prior Trump administration as a guide to the behaviour to expect from this one. Of course, this time around everyone involved knows more about the system and its processes.

If the administration starts defying court orders - and impossible/impractical demands to have something take effect immediately don't count - critics should have no difficulty finding instances to talk about. If the administration's response is simply its usual one - to start whatever amounts to an appeal, or to redraft whatever they are seeking - there's no "lawless" story.

 

[Halifax Tar]

https://macleans.ca/economy/why-canadas-oil-sands-arent-coming-back/

Interesting read.

 

[Humphrey Bogart]

https://macleans.ca/economy/why-canadas-oil-sands-arent-coming-back/

Interesting read.

I've heard the old "Oil is Dead" drum beaten so many times now...

Meanwhile, there are those who continue to laugh all the way to the bank:





5 year growth of 208% ain't nothing to snuff your nose at.

Oil is literally in everything we need for modern society to function. It isn't going anywhere.

 

[daftandbarmy]

Ouch...

Although, if you talk to folks who are in the commodity markets, the whole world would like some of our lumber, but it will take awhile to rejig the supply chains...

B.C. forest minister projects U.S. tariffs, duties on softwood lumber could reach 55%​

Canadian softwood lumber exported to the United States could soon face additional tariffs and duties of up to 55 per cent, British Columbia's forests minister said.

B.C. forest minister projects U.S. tariffs, duties on softwood lumber could reach 55%

Canadian softwood lumber exported to the United States could soon face additional tariffs and duties of up to 55 per cent, British Columbia's forests minister said.

www.timescolonist.com

 

[suffolkowner]

Ouch...

Although, if you talk to folks who are in the commodity markets, the whole world would like some of our lumber, but it will take awhile to rejig the supply chains...

B.C. forest minister projects U.S. tariffs, duties on softwood lumber could reach 55%​

Canadian softwood lumber exported to the United States could soon face additional tariffs and duties of up to 55 per cent, British Columbia's forests minister said.

B.C. forest minister projects U.S. tariffs, duties on softwood lumber could reach 55%

Canadian softwood lumber exported to the United States could soon face additional tariffs and duties of up to 55 per cent, British Columbia's forests minister said.

www.timescolonist.com

whats the deal there? Too hard to load it to go across the ocean for some reason? I remember when Grants went under in Ontario due to the US crunch and thought you think someone else could use the wood somewhere?

 

[brihard]

whats the deal there? Too hard to load it to go across the ocean for some reason? I remember when Grants went under in Ontario due to the US crunch and thought you think someone else could use the wood somewhere?

Probably shipping capacity and the economics of shipping it overseas to be milled? But I’m far from an expert.

 

[suffolkowner]

Probably shipping capacity and the economics of shipping it overseas to be milled? But I’m far from an expert.

im thinking we would do the processing here. OSB/Plywood/dimensional into a shipping container and off you go

Guy down the road ordered his house framing from one of the Baltics it all came in a shipping container only thing missing was the plywood for the roof even though he got the steel which was strange. Roof had to be strapped to accommodate our dimensions of plywood though. So maybe the wood needs to be made to different dimensions. That shouldnt be that hard with the new outfits. I was on one new/replacement site up in Burns Lake BC theyre pretty spiffy

 

[daftandbarmy]

whats the deal there? Too hard to load it to go across the ocean for some reason? I remember when Grants went under in Ontario due to the US crunch and thought you think someone else could use the wood somewhere?

Cost. Money is always the bottom line.

It's cheaper to ship to the US, in general...

 

[Kirkhill]

This is a good point.

So why hasn’t it been heard as a point clearly stated by the US/Trump? Giving Canada some room to address the interference/incursion of foreign influence and organized crime? It would seem that many of the significant issues (Chinese-supported criminality IN Canada, money laundering, significant foreign real estate investment impacting housing affordability) are reaching levels that can’t be ignored…so when or will the US move on from an immigration/fentanyl problem to the other issues? I honestly don’t know at this point. If the issue truly is 43 lbs of fentanyl and a few thousand illegal immigrants from CAN>US (proportionately less than US>CAN), then one would question the validity and scale of the IS action towards Canada.

Back in the 19th century, when the Vatican was holding off the liberal hordes with the help of French and Irish volunteers, the Popes were busy writing encyclicals castigating liberals all over the place for their many errors (published in summary in 1864 as the Syllabus of Errors). The one country that the Vatican never got round to criticizing was the originator of Liberalism. The government of the country was literally held by the Liberal Party.

Of course, the UK was the most powerful force on the planet at the time.

Canada was never exposed to that battle between the Crown and the Vatican.

 

[Kirkhill]

I find it almost amusing when somebody comes up with an idea to make money, then wants somebody else's money, most often public money, to flesh it out.

Their website talk about "the route", but proposes no route. Hopefully it's better than the one in the CBC article that goes straight across Lake Winnipeg.

Port Nelson was rejected once for, among other things, significant silting and, according to one hydrologist in that article, is worse now. The Port of Churchill already has a deep water harbourand its railway struggles to become profitable and has received millions in public money to work towards that. I'm not sure why we would create competition for it.

The people who will earn the most from this will be the consultants.

Perhaps, but both the Japanese and the Germans showed up with their wallets open and our hero decided there was still no business case.

Trump appears to differ.

https://www.reuters.com/business/energy/trump-says-japan-will-soon-begin-importing-new-shipments-us-lng-2025-02-07/

And this despite the proliferation of LNG terminals already.



A fair number of those terminals, and oil terminals, are off-shore terminals

Offshore LNG terminals are typically located several kilometers away from the shore, with distances ranging from a few hundred meters to several miles depending on the specific site and regulations, but generally staying within a range of between 2 and 10 kilometers from the coastline.

Louisiana Offshore Oil Port (LOOP)

wwwsp.dotd.la.gov

The Louisiana Offshore Oil Port consists of platform in 115ft of water with 3 mooring buoys 8000 ft off of the platform. The platform (the marine terminal) pumps the oil from the ships 20 miles to an onshore terminal, created out of the Bayou swamps, which transfers the off-loaded oil to a storage facility 25 miles inland at Clovelly.

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And as to silting, virtually every port of which I am aware is in an estuary and is attached to a river. They all have dredging operations as part of their maintenance programme. That includes Europe's primary port of Rotterdam and all the principal British ports (Glasgow, Liverpool, Bristol, Plymouth, Portsmouth, Southampton, Dover, London and Lowestoft).

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Do I know there is money to be made? No.

But an awful lot of other people seem to be intrigued and the only real obstacle I have discerned is our political class issuing sanctions on the basis of revelations.

 

[daftandbarmy]

A good explanation...

Could Canada stop sending crude oil to the US?​

Theoretically yes, but it is unlikely, experts say.

The federal government does, in theory, have the authority to stop the exports. But De Silva said that would be complicated, as Canada is a confederation, which means the federal government and provinces share power. Oil production comes under provincial power.

“There are definitely legal questions there, because Canada’s never done it before,” De Silva told Al Jazeera, adding that disagreements could cause a “domestic constitutional crisis”.

De Silva added that there is also the question of where the oil would be stored after turning off the tap. “When pipelines are full, it will be very hard to find space for an additional 4 million barrels a day.”

De Silva added that if Canada’s government decides to cut off the oil supply to the US, there would also be a question mark over how the eastern parts of Canada – Ontario, Quebec and New Brunswick – would get their oil. It raises questions about whether the US would in turn prevent the flow of oil, which flows through US territory, to eastern Canada.

Could Canada really stop oil flow to the US in response to Trump tariffs?

Canada, which sends nearly all its crude oil to the US, has little leverage as the US buys most of Ottawa’s products.

www.aljazeera.com

 

[Brad Sallows]

Things could be worse - we could have some of the internal trade policies of the EU - but we get an honourable mention.

 

[Jarnhamar]

I don't see any Liberal politicians smart mouthing Trump or the Maga Conservatives anymore, can't imagine why

But really, whether it's Poilievre or PM Careny, one of them needs to tell Trump to STFU about the 51st state crap and Tariffs. If he's going to drop Tariffs then do it already. Just stop mentioning it every 6 hours.

 

[OldSolduer]

I don't see any Liberal politicians smart mouthing Trump or the Maga Conservatives anymore, can't imagine why

But really, whether it's Poilievre or PM Careny, one of them needs to tell Trump to STFU about the 51st state crap and Tariffs. If he's going to drop Tariffs then do it already. Just stop mentioning it every 6 hours.

Agreed - whoever gets elected needs to point out there are 10 provinces and 3 Territories, all being very disagreeable and selfish. Ungovernable and the red head step kid is the worst - always demanding and kicking and pouting. Good luck with that Mr. President.

And I have not seen many Liberals making many statements about anything substantial. Which is not a bad thing....

 

[brihard]

Agreed - whoever gets elected needs to point out there are 10 provinces and 3 Territories, all being very disagreeable and selfish. Ungovernable and the red head step kid is the worst - always demanding and kicking and pouting. Good luck with that Mr. President.

And I have not seen many Liberals making many statements about anything substantial. Which is not a bad thing....

There will be no voluntary joining of Canada to the U.S. it’ll never happen legally and consensually. Therefore, if Canada were ever to be annexed by the U.S., it would not be circumstances where they would care about how we would prefer to be governed.

Canada would be ungovernable, certainly, but not for any reason to do with our internal squabbles.

 

[daftandbarmy]

 

[QV]

Things could be worse - we could have some of the internal trade policies of the EU - but we get an honourable mention.

Hence my comment about hysteria becUse Trump.

 

[suffolkowner]

what are our internal trade barriers? Is there a list somewhere?

 

[Remius]

what are our internal trade barriers? Is there a list somewhere?

-Each province has their own licensing systems for trades, professions
-Alcohol. You have a better chance of finding California wine at the LCBO rather than BC wine
-a whole bunch of regulatory and safety things that vary from province on the contents of similar things
-food, dairy, meat

Just to name a few