CAN-USA Tariff Strife (split from various pol threads)

[suffolkowner]

-Each province has their own licensing systems for trades, professions
-Alcohol. You have a better chance of finding California wine at the LCBO rather than BC wine
-a whole bunch of regulatory and safety things that vary from province on the contents of similar things
-food, dairy, meat

Just to name a few

thats what i thought they are not trade barriers per se but regulatory differences. Still is there a list?
We dont need a brewery in the province to sell beer in that province anymore do we?

 

[Remius]

thats what i thought they are not trade barriers per se but regulatory differences. Still is there a list?

Like an official list? Likely not. And I bet there are even differences in whatever list between certain provinces.

But regulatory differences are and can be trade barriers.

Heck, language laws are trade barriers

 

[brihard]

thats what i thought they are not trade barriers per se but regulatory differences. Still is there a list?
We dont need a brewery in the province to sell beer in that province anymore do we?

‘Barriers’ in this case is shorthand for anything that adds costs, friction, delay etc. Anything that reduces the efficiency and freedom of interprovincial trade and commodity flow trade.

 

[suffolkowner]

Like an official list? Likely not. And I bet there are even differences in whatever list between certain provinces.

But regulatory differences are and can be trade barriers.

Heck, language laws are trade barriers

‘Barriers’ in this case is shorthand for anything that adds costs, friction, delay etc. Anything that reduces the efficiency and freedom of interprovincial trade and commodity flow trade.

like our defence spending and international trade ambitions maybe Trump will be the impetus to do something about it. I doubt it though as the Premiers would rather go to Washington

 

[Remius]

like our defence spending and international trade ambitions maybe Trump will be the impetus to do something about it. I doubt it though as the Premiers would rather go to Washington

Anita Anand is supposedly working on reducing those barriers. But I suspect they have to hit while the iron is hot.

 

[Good2Golf]

The ironic part about anything trade related in the United States and any other country is that it seems now that comedians are the ones informing us on what happened and we’re laughing (or crying) at politicians…

 

[Remius]

Anita Anand is supposedly working on reducing those barriers. But I suspect they have to hit while the iron is hot.

To add to what I mentioned. Looks like they are looking at three things specifically.

Reducing exceptions found in the CFTA.
labour movement between provinces. (Ie certifications and professional designations being recognized) and;
Recognizing rules from other jurisdictions

Good start if they can get those done in short order.

 

[QV]

Anyone know if this list is accurate?

https://twitter.com/x/status/1890899913996931313

 

[suffolkowner]

Anyone know if this list is accurate?

https://twitter.com/x/status/1890899913996931313

im pretty sure this is a list of tariffs that have ever been in existence nothing to do with anything remotely recent

 

[QV]

im pretty sure this is a list of tariffs that have ever been in existence nothing to do with anything remotely recent

If this is what’s actually in place now, it’s relevant.

 

[Remius]

im pretty sure this is a list of tariffs that have ever been in existence nothing to do with anything remotely recent

I’m sure that supply management is a huge component of all of that.

CUSMA is where that should be negotiated and discussed just like last time.

This is just grasping at straws to support Trump’s unprovoked position against Canada.

PP has already said he supports supply management so if he is the next PM don’t expect much on that front. And the LPC if they can get a Hail Mary upset win won’t be any different on that.

 

[suffolkowner]

If this is what’s actually in place now, it’s relevant.

i dont think it is thats why i said its a list of tariffs that have ever existed. I saw someone respond to this list before assuming that random internet person was accurate and honest

Find the tariff applicable for your product | Canada Tariff Finder

Canada Tariff Finder enables Canadian importers and exporters to check tariffs for specific goods and markets (focus on countries in a Free Trade Agreement with Canada).

www.tariffinder.ca

I’m sure that supply management is a huge component of all of that.

CUSMA is where that should be negotiated and discussed just like last time.

This is just grasping at straws to support Trump’s unprovoked position against Canada.

PP has already said he supports supply management so if he is the next PM don’t expect much on that front. And the LPC if they can get a Hail Mary upset win won’t be any different on that.

I find the supply management thing overdone. Are we going to subsidize our dairy, chicken, turkey farmers like the states if we get rid of supply management or do nothing?

 

[QV]

Hey I’m just trying to understand everything. Im not going to arbitrarily dismiss supply management.

 

[Quirky]

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Canada doesn't seem like a real country, just colonies masquerading as provinces.

 

[PrairieFella]

Canada doesn't seem like a real country, just colonies masquerading as provinces.

And what makes you say that? What gives you that indication?

 

[lenaitch]

whats the deal there? Too hard to load it to go across the ocean for some reason? I remember when Grants went under in Ontario due to the US crunch and thought you think someone else could use the wood somewhere?

Well, it did cost him his little house on the lake.

 

[suffolkowner]

Well, it did cost him his little house on the lake.

didnt some asian crime lord buy it?

 

[lenaitch]

To add to what I mentioned. Looks like they are looking at three things specifically.

Reducing exceptions found in the CFTA.
labour movement between provinces. (Ie certifications and professional designations being recognized) and;
Recognizing rules from other jurisdictions

Good start if they can get those done in short order.

I've tried to find a definitive, copyable list of the exemptions but no joy. There are apparently about 140, some federal. My understanding, not all are actual prohibitions or restrictions to the flow of goods, but things such a labour mobility, certifications, etc. There is also some federal legislation, like the Importation of Intoxicating Liquors Act.

There are also regulatory differences depending on what you are trying to do. If you want to make and sell jam at the local farmers markets, your kitchen needs to be provincially approved. If you want to sell it to an out-of-province customer, it needs to be federally approved. Maybe not a big deal for an industrial-level facility like E.D. Smith, but a significant problem for small, craft-level businesses.

I doubt the US is a shining light on the hill with inter-state trade. I doubt a plumber in New York could simply pick up tools in California. I don't know what it's like now but, in the past, their inter-state liquor law were very parochial.

 

[Remius]

I've tried to find a definitive, copyable list of the exemptions but no joy. There are apparently about 140, some federal. My understanding, not all are actual prohibitions or restrictions to the flow of goods, but things such a labour mobility, certifications, etc. There is also some federal legislation, like the Importation of Intoxicating Liquors Act.

There are also regulatory differences depending on what you are trying to do. If you want to make and sell jam at the local farmers markets, your kitchen needs to be provincially approved. If you want to sell it to an out-of-province customer, it needs to be federally approved. Maybe not a big deal for an industrial-level facility like E.D. Smith, but a significant problem for small, craft-level businesses.

I doubt the US is a shining light on the hill with inter-state trade. I doubt a plumber in New York could simply pick up tools in California. I don't know what it's like now but, in the past, their inter-state liquor law were very parochial.

Yeah, which is why the third item “recognize rules from other jurisdictions” is a good step.

 

[Kirkhill]

After securing a long term cash flow from Japan by selling it LNG Trump has now secured another cash flow from India selling it oil.

Trump and Modi agree to make U.S. top supplier of oil, replacing Russia

U.S. to sell F-35 to India, extradite Mumbai bombing suspect

asia.nikkei.com

Modi hails Trump ‘mega-partnership’ as leaders agree US-India energy deal

New announcement comes after Trump attacked India over climate for American businesses

www.independent.co.uk

India is also in the market for F35s.

....

So Trump is now selling our oil and gas to Japan and India..... still no business case.