CAN-USA Tariff Strife (split from various pol threads)

[Jarnhamar]

You're doing a but.. but for the CPC. They're lying about the nature of the "move".. but it's ok because- Carney lied first? The ends justify the means?

What statement did the Conservatives make that's a lie?

 

[Fishbone Jones]

Um, last year Biden was president if I recall….

If it needs to be explained, you likely won’t understand.

 

[Fishbone Jones]

He may be referring to this

Bingo.
Simple, for anyone wanting to read a bit.

 

[Remius]

If it needs to be explained, you likely

I ever expect much explanation from you in the first place. Especially when you get challenged on your strange takes on things,

Have great day!

 

[Fishbone Jones]

You're doing a but.. but for the CPC. They're lying about the nature of the "move".. but it's ok because- Carney lied first? The ends justify the means?

You see though, that's your opinion. It's not the opinion of millions that have watched it unfold, so far. They have a different take and are comfortable with that opinion.

And that's what matters.

 

[IKnowNothing]

What statement did the Conservatives make that's a lie?

That BAM headquarters was moved to New York, "selling out" Canadian jobs.

BAM already had both New York and Toronto offices. They filed paperwork changing which one was designated HQ, for the purpose of trying to gain entry onto US index funds. As far as I can see

• no loss of physical space to their Toronto office
• no jobs lost in Toronto

Carney's decision to lie is a perfectly good vector for attack with no need to be dishonest and try and gaslight the ignorant.

 

[IKnowNothing]

You see though, that's your opinion. It's not the opinion of millions that have watched it unfold, so far. They have a different take and are comfortable with that opinion.

And that's what matters.

No it's really not. Filing paperwork to change a registration is an objectively different event than moving an office, closing one and opening another.

 

[Remius]

That BAM headquarters was moved to New York, "selling out" Canadian jobs.

BAM already had both New York and Toronto offices. They filed paperwork changing which one was designated HQ, for the purpose of trying to gain entry onto US index funds. As far as I can see

• no loss of physical space to their Toronto office
• no jobs lost in Toronto

Carney's decision to lie is a perfectly good vector for attack with no need to be dishonest and try and gaslight the ignorant.

Facts don’t matter to some. It’s the age we live in unfortunately.

 

[Fishbone Jones]

I ever expect much explanation from you in the first place. Especially when you get challenged on your strange takes on things,

Have great day!

You miss the whole glaring point and it's my fault I won’t spoon feed you? That's rich.
My strange take? No, it's the current take of the whole conservative party.

I always have a great day.

 

[Remius]

You miss the whole glaring point and it's my fault I won’t spoon feed you? That's rich.
My strange take? No, it's the current take of the whole conservative party.

I always have a great day.

You started with being personal. I’m happy to match energy with you.

I didn’t ask to be spoon fed. And I didn’t miss your usual partisan hypocrisy or whatever propaganda your are parroting.

That’s me explaining what you might not understand in case you missed it.

 

[Jarnhamar]

That BAM headquarters was moved to New York, "selling out" Canadian jobs.

BAM already had both New York and Toronto offices. They filed paperwork changing which one was designated HQ, for the purpose of trying to gain entry onto US index funds. As far as I can see

• no loss of physical space to their Toronto office
• no jobs lost in Toronto

Carney's decision to lie is a perfectly good vector for attack with no need to be dishonest and try and gaslight the ignorant.

Thanks. I'll dig into that and see what I turn up.

Facts don’t matter to some. It’s the age we live in unfortunately.

A man can remake the world if he doesn't let facts get in the way.

 

[IKnowNothing]

Thanks. I'll dig into that and see what I turn up.

Appreciate that and seeing anything you find- here's what I've seen so far

From FP this week

Brookfield's Move From Toronto Becomes Flashpoint for Carney in Political Race

Brookfield Asset Management Ltd.’s decision to move its head office to New York from Toronto is causing trouble for Mark Carney in his run for Canadian prime minist…

financialpost.com

Brookfield Asset announced in October that it had shifted its headquarters, part of a series of changes to make its shares more attractive to US investors and gain membership in equity indexes such as the S&P 500...

Brookfield has said that Canadian operations were not impacted as a result of the head-office switch, and as a global investment firm it has long maintained a significant presence in both Toronto and New York, along with other financial centers, including London.

From FP back before it became a political football

Brookfield moves HQ to New York in corporate restructuring aimed at boosting investor base

Brookfield Asset Management has moved its head office to New York in a bid to broaden its investor base. Read more

financialpost.com

An “HQ can change with the stroke of a pen, but changing incorporation is a much more involved and, in most cases, costly process,” Haynes said in a note on Sept. 30. “We think S&P and other important index providers should always preference incorporation.”

 

[Fishbone Jones]

No it's really not. Filing paperwork to change a registration is an objectively different event than moving an office, closing one and opening another.

As I say though. That doesn’t matter to millions of Canadians. The incident has planted doubts about Carney's honesty and integrity. Right or wrong, it has established the narrative his oppositon want. And you'll have a damn hard time changing their supporter's minds now. Whether your points are salient or not.

 

[IKnowNothing]

As I say though. That doesn’t matter to millions of Canadians. The incident has planted doubts about Carney's honesty and integrity. Right or wrong, it has established the narrative his oppositon want. And you'll have a damn hard time changing their supporter's minds now. Whether your points are salient or not.

The incident should have planted doubts about Carney's honesty- the man lied.
But in manner they chose to exploit that lie the CPC are themselves lying. What does that say about their honesty and integrity?
What does trying to skate around that say about the principles of the supporter doing the skating?
What does it do to the CPC's credibility if the LPC finds a way to articulate the truth?

 

[Quirky]

The incident should have planted doubts about Carney's honesty- the man lied.

Carney seems to be a pathological liar.

 

[Fishbone Jones]

The incident should have planted doubts about Carney's honesty- the man lied.
But in manner they chose to exploit that lie the CPC are themselves lying. What does that say about their honesty and integrity?
What does trying to skate around that say about the principles of the supporter doing the skating?
What does it do to the CPC's credibility if the LPC finds a way to articulate the truth?

Sounds like politics as usual if you ask me.

I found this. Im in the process of digesting and trying to understand all of the points, pro and con.

Perhaps it contains the answer to your question.

Truth and its political forms: an explorative cartography - Contemporary Political Theory

For some years now, the significance of truth for politics has been intensely debated under the buzzword “post-truth.” However, this cannot hide the fact that political theory and philosophy have systematically neglected the relationship between truth and politics throughout their history. This...

link.springer.com

 

[daftandbarmy]

Pfffft... this is some real lying... and not very good either as it was easy to find out he was lying...

Rustad changes story on fatal overdose coroner had no record of​

B.C. Conservative leader had claimed at televised debate that he saw overdose at Robson and Hornby streets​

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/john-rustad-fatal-overdose-1.7348135

 

[brihard]

A bunch of LPC Leadership stuff has leaked over to the Tariffs thread.

Meanwhile, new bullshit pretext for tariffs if they need one. Time to appoint an egg czar!

U.S. border egg seizures up nearly 40% as prices soar

With eggs getting more and more expensive in the United States, American border agents are scrambling to stop egg smuggling from Canada.

vancouver.citynews.ca

Time for a Beaverton article about cartons of eggs hidden within shipments of weed or something.

 

[Maxman1]

‘He’s not a MAGA guy’: Donald Trump has doubts about Pierre Poilievre — and don’t get him started on Chrystia Freeland

In an interview with The Spectator, Donald Trump took credit for Chrystia Freeland’s “firing”, and said that Pierre Poilievre is not Trump’s kind of conservative.

www.thestar.com

Better than an actual endorsement.

 

[GR66]

‘He’s not a MAGA guy’: Donald Trump has doubts about Pierre Poilievre — and don’t get him started on Chrystia Freeland

In an interview with The Spectator, Donald Trump took credit for Chrystia Freeland’s “firing”, and said that Pierre Poilievre is not Trump’s kind of conservative.

www.thestar.com

Better than an actual endorsement.

The Conservatives should run an ad with these Trump anti-Poilievre comments plastered over that "Poilievre is pro-Trump" ad being aired by "Protecting Canada"