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CAN-USA Tariff Strife (split from various pol threads)

The scariest part here is his comments on elections. I bet he's looking for a casus belli...
I think he's trying to plan out a delay until the next PM comes in and then see if he can establish a rapport if its someone new (i.e. not Freeland) and/or test the mettle of the new PM by doubling down on the threats of more tariffs.
 
I think he's trying to plan out a delay until the next PM comes in and then see if he can establish a rapport if its someone new (i.e. not Freeland) and/or test the mettle of the new PM by doubling down on the threats of more tariffs.
The articles say that the conversation lasted 50 mins, I view that as a positive. I assume that it means there was some back and forth and some potential agreements and seeking out further clarifications. The US news sources that they may talk again today, which leads me to speculate that there were some takeaways/follow ups/decisions to be made before coming together again and see if something can be worked out.
 
Sounds an awful lot like Trump is truly grasping at straws right now in order to save some sort of face in this matter.

Save face? In the eyes of millions he is already a 34 count convicted felon accused of rape, racism, being Hitler, and acts of genocide, and a traitor. Can you get any worse? Not sure he cares about "face" in this.

More likely he is leveraging threats of tariffs to achieve full or partial outcomes that he is looking for.
 
Save face? In the eyes of millions he is already a 34 count convicted felon accused of rape, racism, being Hitler, and acts of genocide, and a traitor. Can you get any worse? Not sure he cares about "face" in this.

More likely he is leveraging threats of tariffs to achieve full or partial outcomes that he is looking for.
Good luck with that.

He's grasping at straws - the stock market bitch slapped him over the last 2-3 days, the industry leaders have told him, in no uncertain words, that he's an idiot.

He needs to come across as the 'winner' in this no matter what or his flaccid ego will shrink even further. If Trudeau has a brain and is actually advised properly, he'll throw some more money/resources at the border and talk about some more drone coverage along the border and give Trump what he needs.

Otherwise, back to the trenches I say.
 
Save face? In the eyes of millions he is already a 34 count convicted felon accused of rape, racism, being Hitler, and acts of genocide, and a traitor. Can you get any worse? Not sure he cares about "face" in this.

More likely he is leveraging threats of tariffs to achieve full or partial outcomes that he is looking for.
All of which is true (except the Hitler bit and maybe the racism, unsure about that) and speaks to the very suspect voting record and intelligence of Americans.
 
Remember that the entire legal underpinnings of the tariffs are specifically and exclusively the purported fentanyl emergency at the border. That being the case, the U.S. should be able to specifically identify deliverables that would satisfy whatever criteria they have - IF Trump was acting in good faith. He of course is not, the fentanyl issue is a fictitious pretext for his self-developed sense of economic victimhood. Because of that it’s very difficult for this to be negotiated; there is not actually a defined criteria that Canada can satisfy.
 
Good luck with that.

He's grasping at straws - the stock market bitch slapped him over the last 2-3 days, the industry leaders have told him, in no uncertain words, that he's an idiot.

He needs to come across as the 'winner' in this no matter what or his flaccid ego will shrink even further. If Trudeau has a brain and is actually advised properly, he'll throw some more money/resources at the border and talk about some more drone coverage along the border and give Trump what he needs.

Otherwise, back to the trenches I say.
Like last time. He declared a win on something he already had lol.
 
Points have validity, but respond to the question as what temporal frame should we be considering the relationship of trust? So back to Truman/Roosevelt times, and see Trump as a small blip of less than ~10%, so say…let’s be 90% confident that things will stabilize after Trump (be that 2028 or…2032? 🤷🏻‍♂️). Will Putin/Russia’s influence end with Trump? The circle of previous trust will be fully re-established? So a metaphoric pillow-biting is the best COA?
Slices of time isn't the way to do it. Maybe try plotting the positions of all the presidents and presidential candidates and senior Congress positions (majority/minority leader, etc)? I suspect you'll get closer to 99%.

Turning everything on its head because of one outlier is pretty much self-obviously unwise.
 
Good luck with that.

He's grasping at straws - the stock market bitch slapped him over the last 2-3 days, the industry leaders have told him, in no uncertain words, that he's an idiot.

He needs to come across as the 'winner' in this no matter what or his flaccid ego will shrink even further. If Trudeau has a brain and is actually advised properly, he'll throw some more money/resources at the border and talk about some more drone coverage along the border and give Trump what he needs.

Otherwise, back to the trenches I say.
Trudeau could throw billions more dollars into the border “problem” and put 10 thousand of our military on border patrol, and still that wouldn’t be enough. It’s a non-issue and Trump knows it. As always he has taken a basic truth, spun it into a great exaggeration and followed it up with embellishment after embellishment.
 
Last I looked, the Bank of Canada doesn't make pipe. I don't know the industry but I'm not sure we have a domestic large diameter pipe manufacturing capability. Even if we do, projects of this scale, such as building long distance pipelines and ports, have a long lead time for surveying, engineering, land acquisition, construction and on and on. Even if every government regulation was dropped tomorrow and we were able to bulldoze through everyone's backyard with impunity, they still couldn't be built fast enough to solve our current problems.

I'm not saying they are necessarily a bad idea from a national interest perspective, quite the opposite.

How's the CSC construction coming along? Can we have one in the water next year?

This is a legitimate question.

My counter. What can we do today?

A proposal.

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Sitrep - a functional rail line exists to a functional port

Oil is being shipped to Churchill Marine Oil Terminal by rail and is being distributed to the north by water.


Zinc concentrate (bulk ore) was shipped from Churchill in August 2024. So the wharfage is functional.

In August 2024, AGG and Hudbay Minerals Inc. successfully exported 10,000 tonnes of zinc concentrate from Churchill, demonstrating the port’s potential as a hub for northern mineral exports.



The article actually gives a comprehensive sit rep currently.

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With a working railway and a working wharf then we could start shipping oil from Churchill tomorrow.

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We could also be shipping Compressed Natural Gas until we can get a Liquefied Natural Gas facility up and running.


Compressed Natural Gas (CNG)

Compressed natural gas, or CNG, is produced by compressing NG down to less than 1% of its volume at standard atmospheric pressure. The CNG volume to be transported or stored can be from 150 to 300 times less than gas at atmospheric pressure. Producing CNG is a simple low-cost process and involves gas pre-treatment (depending on the gas source and quality) and compression. The NG arrives at the compression station at a low pressure from a local pipeline or truck, where it is compressed and stored in cylindrical or spherical storage containers at a pressure of 100 bar to 250 bar.

The main function of CNG is as an alternative for gasoline and diesel fuels for medium-duty vehicles travelling a moderate distance between refuelling. There are some other uses of CNG that include power generation and industrial consumers, however these are less developed due to the gas volumes required often being too high. CNG is typically used onshore for gas supply over short distances and in smaller volumes. Generally, CNG can be economically viable for volumes up to 140 000 ms3/day (5 million standard cubic feet per day (MMscf/d)), and distances up to 800 km.

The transportation of CNG can be onshore by truck or offshore by ship or barge. The largest cost in the CNG supply chain is the midstream transportation component, contributing up to 90% of the capital required. CNG onshore transportation by truck involves the facilities to load CNG into a pressurised transportable container at the compression site and the offloading facilities that includes the heating, let down and metering of the CNG at the customer site. The CNG offshore transportation by ship or barge involves a vessel with a containment system to transport the CNG from the source to the customer site. Figure 4 shows some of the different designs of trucks, ISO containers, and marine vessels for the transport of CNG.

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The offshore marine CNG supply chain consists of three main components, namely:
  • Export onshore: The upstream loading compression station with loading terminal (onshore or offshore)
  • Shipping: The CNG carrier vessel, be it dedicated CNG ship, barge, or container vessel (offshore)
  • Import onshore: The downstream unloading terminal (onshore or offshore) and the unloading decompression station.
The offshore transportation cost of CNG is directly proportional to the volume of gas and distance between the gas source and the consumers. This transportation method is best suited for medium distance projects: however, it is not well developed and has not yet been proven. The offshore transportation development to date is proposed to handle production rates between 1,4 million ms3/day and 19,8 million ms3/day (50 and 700 MMscf/d) and distances between 185 km and 3 700 km (100 nautical miles and 2000 nautical miles). For small volumes and distances barge shipping may be the appropriate method.

The Iso-Tank in the bottom right hand corner is particularly interesting as that could be loaded on a train, railroaded to Churchill then it could be evacuated into CNG tanker or loaded onto a container vessel.

All of this until we could convince someone to tie up a floating LNG facility at the dock.

In the meantime we could start chartering Baltic Sea tankers. And possibly shipping in bulk.


 
I agree that's what conservatism used to be. From Eisenhower to Regan/Mulroney up to about 2016.

MAGA has upended that cart and made it look like something else. It's isolationism over global trade and the US doesn't want to pay for the global trade protection anymore. That's the actual subsidization, it doesn't come from trade flows it comes from guaranteeing safe trade.
MAGA (however people choose to define it) isn't conservativism. I again remind readers that Trump spent most of his life leaning Democratic, and when he ran in the primaries in 2016 many conservatives questioned his suitability on the basis of that. His signature aims right now are squarely in Democratic traditions. What "conservativism" is doesn't change because someone tries to misappropriate the definition.
 
Oh it’s definitely complicated.


It will likely outlast him. It would be naive to think that this is just a 4year phenomenon and that everything will be fine after.
The editors of Wikipedia are not useful or reliable arbiters of definitions on political matters.

Undoubtedly the realignment of US voters and the politicians seeking to exploit the shift will persist. Trump's personal irrationality will not.
 
Trudeau could throw billions more dollars into the border “problem” and put 10 thousand of our military on border patrol, and still that wouldn’t be enough. It’s a non-issue and Trump knows it. As always he has taken a basic truth, spun it into a great exaggeration and followed it up with embellishment after embellishment.
I agree - but going ahead and adding something of substance to the border 'issue' for the mere optics of doing it, to highlight to those of any intelligence in the US, 'See, no matter what we do, Trump is going to say its not enough'. And we then go the route of the World Trade Organization, which we did either today or yesterday, and file a formal compliant. Will it amount to anything, maybe yes or maybe no, but we do it by the book. Which again will highlight to anyone in the US with intelligence that Trump is an idoit.
 
Trump just unilaterally caved on tariffs for the auto sector for another month.
Predictable and predicted. Now if Canadian leaders would just keep their nerve, suspend measures that are going to worsen the situation for consumers on both sides of the border, and let other people under pressure solve the problem for us.
 
The editors of Wikipedia are not useful or reliable arbiters of definitions on political matters.
Easily dismissed but not being very intellectually honest on the subject if you ignore the sources cited. The definitions are there and are being studied by various institutions. Whether you accept that is on you.
Undoubtedly the realignment of US voters and the politicians seeking to exploit the shift will persist. Trump's personal irrationality will not.
His irrationality is not what will persist. You missed the point.

Trumpism will persist beyond him.
 
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