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CAN-USA Tariff Strife (split from various pol threads)
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I’m not fussed about the dairy/poultry tariffs. Canada has chosen to keep an effectively closed market on those; reciprocity is reasonable. Historically neither country has exported much of that to the other. If the U.S. wants to tariff themselves out of leaning on us in their current egg shortage, that’s their prerogative. It’s not helping the massively confused messaging though.
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Montreal?
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Alert?
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Whole ICAO is there, I’m not sure UN would go…although that would be a real political bitch slap to the US if it did happen.
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They don't now, so why should the cartel change.
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It's a new world. They either change, for the good of the country, or the country closes their monopoly for the good of the people.
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Jack Daniel's pipes in ...
ca.finance.yahoo.com
... as well as Mickey D/Chick Fil A
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Jack Daniel's maker says Canada pulling US alcohol off shelves 'worse than tariff'
Jack Daniel's maker Brown-Forman's CEO Lawson Whiting said on Wednesday Canadian provinces taking American liquor off store shelves was "worse than a tariff" and a "disproportionate response" to levies imposed by the Trump administration. Several Canadian provinces have taken U.S. liquor off...
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McDonald’s, Chick-fil-A warned White House of tariff dangers before delay
A day before U.S. President Donald Trump delayed tariffs on some Mexican and Canadian goods, a group of restaurant chains that included McDonald’s Corp. and Chick-fil-A told White House officials that the duties would have an immediate negative impact on the industry because it relies on...
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Any chance of The Hague?
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Donald Tusk put it this way:
500 million Europeans are asking 340 million Americans to defend them from 140 million Russians.
In the same vein:
340 Million Americans are threatening 40 Million Canadians and 130 Million Mexicans.
Trump wants to put up walls and bring jobs and dollars back to the homeland. What happens if we let him?
He will have to build his complete cars from American sourced materials in America. And sell to Americans. He wants to go the reciprocity route then we reciprocate. To an extent.
He doesn't want free trade with Mexico and Canada but suppose Mexico and Canada continued a free trade pact with each other. We have resources. They have cheap labour. Could we build a CanMex F-150 for less than an American one? Or is Trump planning on discontinuing Ford's international business and losing all those international sales and profits?
Because, if so, I can see Canadians buying a lot more Toyotas, Nissans, Kias and Mercedes.
500 million Europeans are asking 340 million Americans to defend them from 140 million Russians.
In the same vein:
340 Million Americans are threatening 40 Million Canadians and 130 Million Mexicans.
Trump wants to put up walls and bring jobs and dollars back to the homeland. What happens if we let him?
He will have to build his complete cars from American sourced materials in America. And sell to Americans. He wants to go the reciprocity route then we reciprocate. To an extent.
He doesn't want free trade with Mexico and Canada but suppose Mexico and Canada continued a free trade pact with each other. We have resources. They have cheap labour. Could we build a CanMex F-150 for less than an American one? Or is Trump planning on discontinuing Ford's international business and losing all those international sales and profits?
Because, if so, I can see Canadians buying a lot more Toyotas, Nissans, Kias and Mercedes.
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Ford - CVMA
Number of Employees: Ford employs approximately 7,000 people in Canada, while an additional 18,000 people are employed in the more than 400 Ford and Ford-Lincoln dealerships across the country. Number of facilities worldwide: 62 plants worldwide Number of vehicles produced annually (2023)...
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Ford assembles 161,000 vehicles of all types, but predominantly trucks and SUVs, in Canada
Ford sells 220,000 to 260,000 vehicles in Canada.
Presumably those 60 to 100,000 vehicles that are not produced in Canada are produced in the US.
And Ford Canada's profits benefit the US ownership.
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This is already starting to manifest in the fresh produce area. There is now next to no fresh produce from the US at my local (Superstore) grocer. The products that do come from the US, and be sourced from other areas. Canadians are voting with their wallets, and retailers are not going to let product sit unsold for long.
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How often does Trump have to flinch on deadlines or react to probable backroom conversations with leaders of various US industries and financial agencies and institutions before people realize the problem is likely to be resolved by Americans and that we ought not to pay irrecoverable costs and take damaging actions that will have to be paid for and undone?
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Ford - CVMA
Number of Employees: Ford employs approximately 7,000 people in Canada, while an additional 18,000 people are employed in the more than 400 Ford and Ford-Lincoln dealerships across the country. Number of facilities worldwide: 62 plants worldwide Number of vehicles produced annually (2023)...
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Ford assembles 161,000 vehicles of all types, but predominantly trucks and SUVs, in Canada
Ford sells 220,000 to 260,000 vehicles in Canada.
Presumably those 60 to 100,000 vehicles that are not produced in Canada are produced in the US.
And Ford Canada's profits benefit the US ownership.
Except that Canadian numbers are a rounding error on US manufacturing capacity... we have little to no leverage here is my guess...
American manufacturers produce approximately 10 million units annually. Notable exceptions were 5.7 million automobiles manufactured in 2009 (due to crisis), and more recently 8.8 million units in 2020 due to the global COVID-19 pandemic. Production peaked during the 1970s and early 2000s at 13–15 million units.
Automotive industry in the United States - Wikipedia
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Toyota Canada - Cars, Pickup Trucks, SUVs, Hybrids and Crossovers | Toyota Canada
The latest information and pricing on Toyota Cars, Hybrids, Crossovers, SUVs, Minivans, and Pickup Trucks - available at Toyota Dealerships in Canada.
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Toyota sells about 150,000 vehicles in Canada.
Is this what he is getting at? Japanese and Korean cars built in Canada and sold in the US? They do already have plants in the US. Presumably he wants them to transfer the assembly of those Canadian vehicles sold in the US to the US plants?
Brad Sallows
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The Auto Pact and everything spawned from it are mostly understood to have been more to Canada's advantage than the US's, and dependent on a certain amount of forbearance on the latter's part. The same could be said for some other important things.
Meanwhile we have people high in government, and others in influential positions, who sometimes can't quite contain their personal anti-Americanism, which militates against forbearance. It's fair to complain about unjust actions against us, but our own tempers are wholly under our own control.
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Except that Canadian numbers are a rounding error on US manufacturing capacity... we have little to no leverage here is my guess...
American manufacturers produce approximately 10 million units annually. Notable exceptions were 5.7 million automobiles manufactured in 2009 (due to crisis), and more recently 8.8 million units in 2020 due to the global COVID-19 pandemic. Production peaked during the 1970s and early 2000s at 13–15 million units.
Automotive industry in the United States - Wikipedia
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Agreed.
But that is true of many of Ford's (and GM's) international markets. Individually they are small. Collectively they bring in a lot of money into Ford's coffers to the benefit of US shareholders.
Does Ford really want an "Ugly American" reputation globally?
Yup, we’ve been voting with our wallet. I’m bypassing American produce at the grocery store. If it means we go without a preferred fruit or vegetable until the store restocks with some sourced elsewhere, we’re fine with that.
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As I recall the governments of the day (I can't remember which ones) touted the arrival of the Asian automakers, and I am pretty sure it was Toyota, on the heels of the Canada US Free Trade Agreement. It was deemed an FTA win for Ontario and Canada because Toyota could build in the small Canadian market and sell into the large US market. To the benefit of the US consumer but the detriment of the US employee.
