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Well, yea, but if the alternative is that all 600 million die, then tug on those boot straps and get to cullin'!
Starship Troopers/Is China REALLY So Bad? ;) (split from '25 Federal Election thread)
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KevinB
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Agreed. Everything I’ve read from and about him suggests he felt the US was losing focus and being subverted. (Wonder what his corpse feels now).I wouldn't mind learning more about this bit, too. Not a deep dive by any means, but a VERY quick Google-fu led me here ...
... suggesting he was anti-anti-nuke because of how USSR 1.0 seemed to be steering it at the time:
Robert Heinlein's 'Starship Troopers' & The Cold War | Kirkus Reviews
Andrew Liptak writes about Robert Heinlein and his book 'Starship Troopers', which began the science fiction subgenre of military science fiction.www.kirkusreviews.com
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Haven't found anything yet from his later years denouncing it.
I think some have missed the difference between the Directors belief’s and the writers…I do know Paul Verhoeven, who did the first and third films (and lived through WW2 bombings of The Hague as a kid), wanted it to be clear that he was aiming for a satirical anti-war narrative, which he said the studio misdirected by marketing it (at least 1.0) as an action flick (highlights mine).
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Also ST1 was a decent movie, 2+ are just tripe.
KevinB
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Sometimes a culture just needs to die off.
Something’s are also worth dying for.
OldSolduer
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Churchill had it right - He hated Communism but he hated Hitler more.
Winston said Bolshevism should be strangled in the cradle. And it should have been.
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Except for all the prison camps, casual corruption and genocide against minorities, sure- same place.
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That was a pretty good description of our society in 1918 and 1945, apparently.
Wars of national/global survival have an unseemly impact on democracy.
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A product of its time. I'm horrified by the ideological certainty and society depicted in Canada right now, compared with earlier times I experienced.
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I liked ST1.
ST2 is below par, but WAY better 1) treated like a dark western and 2) listening to the director's commentary (sounds like they're day drinking, complaining about Verhoeven not being involved in the project).
I liked ST3 about as much as (maybe a hair more than) ST1 because it was a LOT more clearly a satire.
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I liked the book . . . a lot. As a result the film was disappointing because it didn't measure up. And I did get the satire. The boobs were good.
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I find most movies based on books I like end up like that, too.
Halifax Tar
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I liked the book . . . a lot. As a result the film was disappointing because it didn't measure up. And I did get the satire. The boobs were good.
I'm with you.
daftandbarmy
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The movie has aged well though.
Heinlein’s book was criticized for praising militarism (which given his background is understandable) and in particular facism (which I agree with some is an unfair characterization).
The irony is late in life Heinlein was more libertarian than anything else.
ArmyRick
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Your advocating genocide? Good to know where YOU stand.
ArmyRick
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Exactly. We are not talking like its a binary choice. No one ever said if you don't drive a ford, you then MUST drive a GM. There are many, many different choices to choose from.
Like running a democratic nation, there are many different choices and ways to adapt to what is best for the overwhelming majority.
Only an armchair theoretical no real experience academic (or wanna be) would ever advocate in any way (directly or indirectly, or implying) that killing in mass was a good idea. I ask that person, have you ever killed anyone or any living thing? Have you ever uncovered a mass grave? Have you ever picked up a cold dead body and felt how weird it is? Maybe to that individual, you really better look in the damn mirror and think 5 times over at least about what your thinking/saying or even hinting at.
ArmyRick
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In case you didn't get an obvious hint, what I posted above is aimed at you (and anyone else that thinks even remotely that way)
Someday someone is going to see what you said, and I think you will deeply regret it. Especially in the age of social media.
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What? GENOCIDE?! I'm only saying to eliminate HALF the people.
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