Maritime Coastal Defence Vessels (MCDVs)

[Underway]

That is about as scared as I have ever been in the CAF: doing down hatch drills as the nozzleman in Chemox/B gear against a live diesel fire in Tumult. The ladder was greasy as hell and if you slipped, you were dead. Then at the bottom, I was completely surrounded by fire, including it flashing overhead on the deckhead. Terrifying.

I hear that. This is why real fire training needs to return.

My scariest moment was when I was doing my door and hatch procedure on a fire that had been left far to long. The attack team leader was another ASLT/NCdt. Because the fire had no air it had almost burned itself out. When I cracked the door the oxygen starved fire suctioned the door right out of my hands opening fully up to our startled team (aka I screwed up royally). The backdraft exploded in our face and was met by our hose water. Fire, blinding black smoke, steam, incredible heat, fire roaring, water hissing, confusion, fear...

At some point we realized the attack team leader vanished, someone yelled "where did name redacted to protect the innocent go?". The nozzleman screamed back "I think hes dead! Attack the fire!" and we did. Straight into it.

Turns out the attack team leader got steam burns across his shoulders behind his neck (B-gear sucks) and just ran out of the building before he regained control of his lizard brain. He didn't even remember fleeing. He just remembered being outside and ripping his gear off thinking he was on fire.

The 651 firefighters thought it was all pretty funny, but to us it was overwhelming.

That was real scary training and we were better for it. I'm glad to hear that something like that is coming back.

 

[Halifax Tar]

That is about as scared as I have ever been in the CAF: doing down hatch drills as the nozzleman in Chemox/B gear against a live diesel fire in Tumult. The ladder was greasy as hell and if you slipped, you were dead. Then at the bottom, I was completely surrounded by fire, including it flashing overhead on the deckhead. Terrifying.

The old fire trainer was a much more real experience I find. I never did the west coat one, but here on the right coast I saw nozzlemen drop the hose and retreat in fear.

 

[YZT580]

No. We are critically short of training area, as it is. Leave Albert Head alone.

Although it was for officers, didn't you have at least the buildings that could have been re-purposed at Royal Roads?

 

[SeaKingTacco]

Although it was for officers, didn't you have at least the buildings that could have been re-purposed at Royal Roads?

Royal Roads is no longer ours.

 

[YZT580]

Royal Roads is no longer ours.

I know that. The point is we had the facilities and dumped them to save money over the short term that is, if Royal Roads was fit for purpose

 

[Colin Parkinson]

I hear that. This is why real fire training needs to return.

My scariest moment was when I was doing my door and hatch procedure on a fire that had been left far to long. The attack team leader was another ASLT/NCdt. Because the fire had no air it had almost burned itself out. When I cracked the door the oxygen starved fire suctioned the door right out of my hands opening fully up to our startled team (aka I screwed up royally). The backdraft exploded in our face and was met by our hose water. Fire, blinding black smoke, steam, incredible heat, fire roaring, water hissing, confusion, fear...

At some point we realized the attack team leader vanished, someone yelled "where did name redacted to protect the innocent go?". The nozzleman screamed back "I think hes dead! Attack the fire!" and we did. Straight into it.

Turns out the attack team leader got steam burns across his shoulders behind his neck (B-gear sucks) and just ran out of the building before he regained control of his lizard brain. He didn't even remember fleeing. He just remembered being outside and ripping his gear off thinking he was on fire.

The 651 firefighters thought it was all pretty funny, but to us it was overwhelming.

That was real scary training and we were better for it. I'm glad to hear that something like that is coming back.

That's me as the nozzleman at the PMTI training facility back in the day. I took this course 3 times as it was so much fun and good training, subsidized for mariners. The first course they made us go into the structure with no breathing apparatus, as most small commercial vessels did not have them. So be thankfully your the nozzle man and got fresh air from it.

 

[NavyShooter]

My 2nd time doing my fire training in Halifax in the 'old' building that was in the field below the current trainer was....interesting.

Live fire - diesel fuel, no foam, only water. 2 doors, both of us were to enter at the same time, clear the fire between the doors, then turn and head around the 'engine' and meet at the other end.

My Chemox lungs collapsed on entry (banged my arms into them with the hose) but we kept going - Put the fire out between the doors, then advanced...turned out the other attack team had to back out and I had to circle around all the way to the other door. The staff guy at the other door kept the fire from going around behind me (appreciated.)

Life fire was HOT - like, they'd get the building burning - then leave it for at least 5 minute before the first team was allowed to enter.

At the end of the day, the instructors would go in with a foam hose and we'd see how well and how quickly it would beat down the flames.

AFFF works.

 

[Kirkhill]

Denmark doing a fleet rethink.

Three Iver Huitfeldt AAW ships to be retained a while longer
Two Absolon C&S ships, 20 years old, to be replaced

Rasmussen and Thetis Arctic Patrol ships to be replaced with 6 to 12 Multi-Role Combat Ships designed for arctic operations - modular design based on the OMT Stanflex system. OMT currently advising the ISY team. The Danes do not seem to have the same problems with modularity experienced by the USN.

Five civil-military ships will be acquired to secure undersea infrastructure, conduct environmental response, lay mines and be used for training.

Twenty one new patrol vessels for the volunteer Home Guard to replace the existing 83 ton MHV 800s.

Denmark Unveils Major Naval Modernization Plan - Defense Security Monitor

Denmark made waves on March 30, when the Defense Ministry announced an ambitious plan for the significant modernization of the country’s naval forces. As part of this new plan, the …

dsm.forecastinternational.com

The centre piece is the new Arctic capable Multi-Role Combat Vessel to be built in Esbjerg Denmark -

DALO and Danske Patruljeskibe K/S reaches agreement on new naval vessels for The Danish Armed Forces

The Danish Ministry of Defence Acquisition and Logistics Organisation (DALO) has signed an agreement with Danske Patruljeskibe K/S – a consortium founded by Terma, Odense Maritime Technology and PensionDanmark – on the scheme design for new naval vessels for the Danish Armed Forces.

www.terma.com

AI summary below - reader beware.

Notionally a 90 meter vessel of 1720 tonnes with a crew of 15 to 40 and space for up to 70 pax.

The new Danish flexible patrol ships, developed as part of the "Danish Patrol Ships" (DPS) program, are designed for modularity and adaptability to various missions, with a focus on Arctic capabilities. These ships are expected to be equipped with advanced sensors, both manned and unmanned, and will be capable of operating in a range of maritime environments, including the Arctic and North Atlantic.

Key Features and Specifications:

• Modularity:
  The ships are built with a modular design, allowing for the rapid deployment of different mission-specific modules, such as ASW (Anti-Submarine Warfare) systems, oil spill containment, and equipment for search and rescue or disaster relief.
  
  
• Arctic Capability:
  The ships are designed with ice-reinforced hulls and the ability to operate in Arctic conditions, including the deployment of autonomous systems like UUVs (Unmanned Undersea Vehicles).
  
  
• Flexible Armament:
  The ships can be equipped with a range of weapons systems, including surface-to-air missiles, anti-surface warfare missiles, and gun systems, depending on the specific mission requirements.
  
  
• Enhanced Sensors and AI:
  The ships will incorporate advanced sensors, including radar, sonar, and electronic warfare systems, as well as AI-enabled capabilities for autonomous operations and data analysis.
  
  
• Mission Flexibility:
  The ships are designed to support a wide range of maritime missions, including sovereignty patrols, environmental monitoring, search and rescue, and anti-piracy operations.
  
  
• Helicopter Platform:
  The ships will have a helipad and hangar for operating Agusta-Bell EH-101 Merlin helicopters, enabling extended range and improved surveillance capabilities.
  
  
• Crew Capacity:
  The ships can accommodate a crew of 15-40 personnel, with additional berths for up to 70 people for mission-specific deployments.
  
  
• Speed and Endurance:
  The ships have a design speed of 18 knots and an endurance of 21 days, allowing for extended deployments in challenging environments.
  
  
• Size:
  The ships are approximately 90 meters in length and 18 meters in width.
  
  
• Mission Modules:
  The ships can accommodate a variety of mission modules, such as the SH Defence "The Cube" system, ACTAS ASW system, oil spill booms, and equipment for the Arctic Standby Force.

Denmark plans acquisition of three new Arctic patrol ships

The Danish Ministry of Defence (MoD) has announced plans to acquire three new Arctic patrol ships to replace the Royal Danish Navy's (RDN's) Thetis-class patrol ships....

www.janes.com

 

[Kirkhill]

More detail on the Multi-Role Patrol Vessel of the Danish Navy.

90 m multi-role, 1100 tonne deadweight.