Hamas invaded Israel 2023

[Retired AF Guy]

Further to my last: The IDF website has a webpage that looks the events that happened on Oct 07 2023 and it appears that they will look at each individual location in Israel that was attacked by Hamas. So far they only have details on one location which is indicated in Green on the IDF map.

https://www.idf.il/en/mini-sites/7-10-the-inquiries/

 

[OldSolduer]

Further to my last: The IDF website has a webpage that looks the events that happened on Oct 07 2023 and it appears that they will look at each individual location in Israel that was attacked by Hamas. So far they only have details on one location which is indicated in Green on the IDF map.

https://www.idf.il/en/mini-sites/7-10-the-inquiries/

I bet the target list is extensive and maybe far reaching....

 

[Maxman1]

Have you seen the new Hezz Leader? He got a squeaky cartoon voice, certainly will not inspire confidence. When the Israelis stop trying to kill you, because they think you will do more damage than they will......

Amid Chants Of 'Death To America', Hizbullah Deputy Secretary-General Sheikh Naim Qassem Threatens 'Out-Of-The-Box' Attacks Against Israel: We Will Kill Them Where They Do Not Expect It; The U.S. Is Complicit In Israel's Genocide

Hizbullah Deputy Secretary-General Sheikh Naim Qassem said in a speech during a September 22, 2024 funeral held for Hizb...

www.memri.org

 

[The Bread Guy]

In the words of someone way smarter than me, is Bibi about to be Zelensky'ed?

Israel asks for clarifications after Boehler’s Hamas ‘nice guys’ comment

Israel expressed concerns to the Trump administration after a media blitz by Adam Boehler, the special envoy for hostage affairs, defending his recent talks with Hamas on Sunday, Hebrew media outlets reported. Jerusalem asked Washington for clarifications after Boehler gave a series of...

www.yahoo.com

Trump’s hostage envoy defends talks with Hamas, says US 'not an agent of Israel'

Adam Boehler backs negotiations with Palestinian group, assures efforts are being made to get both US and Israeli hostages out - Anadolu Ajansı

www.aa.com.tr

 

[Remius]

Israel launches deadly wave of airstrikes across Gaza after ceasefire talks stall

Israel launched a wave of airstrikes across the Gaza Strip early Tuesday, saying it was striking Hamas targets in its heaviest assault in the territory since a ceasefire took effect in January.

www.ctvnews.ca

What? Ceasefire broken? How can this happen under Trump?

 

[brihard]

Israel launches deadly wave of airstrikes across Gaza after ceasefire talks stall

Israel launched a wave of airstrikes across the Gaza Strip early Tuesday, saying it was striking Hamas targets in its heaviest assault in the territory since a ceasefire took effect in January.

www.ctvnews.ca

What? Ceasefire broken? How can this happen under Trump?

That’ll get spicy. Wasn’t it just Friday that Hamas said they had agreed to discuss a release of American hostages contingent on Israel entering the phase 2 discussions? Doesn’t seem likely that’ll stick now.

 

[McG]

Gazans Protest Against Hamas and War for a Second Day

The demonstrations, a rare show of dissent, appeared to have spread, reflecting frustration at the breakdown of a cease-fire with Israel. “We want to live,” said one supporter.

www.nytimes.com

 

[The Bread Guy]

Some (Israeli, but not really Israeli?) aid plan is out there, where PMC's'll protect the aid deliverers (sounds like organized around former mil folks), not IDF, organized outside the framework of the U.N.

A US-backed group seeks to take over Gaza aid distribution in a plan similar to Israel's

A group of American security contractors, ex-military officers and humanitarian aid officials is proposing to take over the distribution of food and other supplies in Gaza based on plans similar to ones designed by Israel.

apnews.com

US Amb. Huckabee presents Gaza humanitarian aid plan, will launch independently of IDF offensive

‘Israelis are supportive, care very much about aid getting into Gaza,’ Huckabee says

allisrael.com

UN agencies warn Israel plans for aid distribution endanger lives in Gaza

International aid agencies warned on Friday that plans presented by Israel to control aid distribution in Gaza, including a U.S.-backed proposal, will only increase suffering and death in the devastated Palestinian territory, which has been under a total Israeli blockade for nearly 10 weeks.

www.startribune.com

A Geneva-based foundation at the heart of Israel’s Gaza aid plan - Geneva Solutions

Israel plans to take full control of humanitarian aid entering Gaza. The blueprint includes biometric screening, US mercenaries – and an obscure organisation recently set up in Geneva.

genevasolutions.news

Israel will provide security but will not handle aid under US Gaza plan: US ambassador Huckabee - War on Gaza - War on Gaza

Israel will not be involved in the distribution of food under a new US-led humanitarian plan for Gaza but will provide “necessary military security”, the US ambassador to Israel, Mike Huckabee, said on Friday.

english.ahram.org.eg

Fact sheet on the Gaza Humanitarian Foundation (apparently registered in Switzerland & started earlier this year) outlining the plan attached (source).

 

[daftandbarmy]

Some (Israeli, but not really Israeli?) aid plan is out there, where PMC's'll protect the aid deliverers (sounds like organized around former mil folks), not IDF, organized outside the framework of the U.N.

A US-backed group seeks to take over Gaza aid distribution in a plan similar to Israel's

A group of American security contractors, ex-military officers and humanitarian aid officials is proposing to take over the distribution of food and other supplies in Gaza based on plans similar to ones designed by Israel.

apnews.com

US Amb. Huckabee presents Gaza humanitarian aid plan, will launch independently of IDF offensive

‘Israelis are supportive, care very much about aid getting into Gaza,’ Huckabee says

allisrael.com

UN agencies warn Israel plans for aid distribution endanger lives in Gaza

International aid agencies warned on Friday that plans presented by Israel to control aid distribution in Gaza, including a U.S.-backed proposal, will only increase suffering and death in the devastated Palestinian territory, which has been under a total Israeli blockade for nearly 10 weeks.

www.startribune.com

A Geneva-based foundation at the heart of Israel’s Gaza aid plan - Geneva Solutions

Israel plans to take full control of humanitarian aid entering Gaza. The blueprint includes biometric screening, US mercenaries – and an obscure organisation recently set up in Geneva.

genevasolutions.news

Israel will provide security but will not handle aid under US Gaza plan: US ambassador Huckabee - War on Gaza - War on Gaza

Israel will not be involved in the distribution of food under a new US-led humanitarian plan for Gaza but will provide “necessary military security”, the US ambassador to Israel, Mike Huckabee, said on Friday.

english.ahram.org.eg

Fact sheet on the Gaza Humanitarian Foundation (apparently registered in Switzerland & started earlier this year) outlining the plan attached (source).

Sounds.... complicated

 

[The Bread Guy]

Interesting take by Canada, France & the U.K. ...

Joint statement from the leaders of Canada, the United Kingdom and France on the situation in Gaza and the West Bank

The Israeli Government’s denial of essential humanitarian assistance to the civilian population is unacceptable and risks breaching International Humanitarian Law.

www.pm.gc.ca

Joint statement from the leaders of the United Kingdom, France and Canada on the situation in Gaza and the West Bank

Joint statement from the leaders of the United Kingdom, France and Canada on the situation in Gaza and the West Bank.

www.gov.uk

Joint statement from the leaders of the United Kingdom, France and Canada on the situation in Gaza and the West Bank.

Read the joint statement.

www.elysee.fr

Canadian version also archived here.

"We strongly oppose the expansion of Israel’s military operations in Gaza. The level of human suffering in Gaza is intolerable. Yesterday’s announcement that Israel will allow a basic quantity of food into Gaza is wholly inadequate. We call on the Israeli Government to stop its military operations in Gaza and immediately allow humanitarian aid to enter Gaza. This must include engaging with the UN to ensure a return to delivery of aid in line with humanitarian principles. We call on Hamas to release immediately the remaining hostages they have so cruelly held since 7 October 2023.

The Israeli Government’s denial of essential humanitarian assistance to the civilian population is unacceptable and risks breaching International Humanitarian Law. We condemn the abhorrent language used recently by members of the Israeli Government, threatening that, in their despair at the destruction of Gaza, civilians will start to relocate. Permanent forced displacement is a breach of international humanitarian law.

Israel suffered a heinous attack on October 7. We have always supported Israel’s right to defend Israelis against terrorism. But this escalation is wholly disproportionate.

We will not stand by while the Netanyahu Government pursues these egregious actions. If Israel does not cease the renewed military offensive and lift its restrictions on humanitarian aid, we will take further concrete actions in response.

We oppose any attempt to expand settlements in the West Bank. Israel must halt settlements which are illegal and undermine the viability of a Palestinian state and the security of both Israelis and Palestinians.  We will not hesitate to take further action, including targeted sanctions.

We strongly support the efforts led by the United States, Qatar and Egypt to secure an immediate ceasefire in Gaza. It is a ceasefire, the release of all remaining hostages and a long-term political solution that offer the best hope of ending the agony of the hostages and their families, alleviating the suffering of civilians in Gaza, ending Hamas’ control of Gaza and achieving a pathway to a two-state solution, consistent with the goals of the 18 June conference in New York co-chaired by Saudi Arabia and France. These negotiations need to succeed, and we must all work towards the implementation of a two-state solution, which is the only way to bring long-lasting peace and security that both Israelis and Palestinians deserve, and ensure long-term stability in the region.

We will continue to work with the Palestinian Authority, regional partners, Israel and the United States to finalise consensus on arrangements for Gaza’s future, building on the Arab plan. We affirm the important role of the High-level Two-State Solution Conference at the UN in June in building international consensus around this aim. And we are committed to recognising a Palestinian state as a contribution to achieving a two-state solution and are prepared to work with others to this end."

... with an unsurprising reaction from Bibi

Netanyahu says Canada, U.K., France offering 'huge prize' to Hamas with Gaza letter

OTTAWA - Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu has accused Canada, the United Kingdom and France of giving Hamas "a huge prize" by threatening to take action against Israel over the

www.thecanadianpressnews.ca

 

[PrairieFella]

Nothing overly controversial. You can think Hamas are assholes and still think the Israelis are acting horribly.

 

[brihard]

Nothing overly controversial. You can think Hamas are assholes and still think the Israelis are acting horribly.

Yup. The statement in its entirety is quite reasonable. Problems is too many people demand that you fully and unthinkingly take one side (theirs of course) over the other.

 

[Colin Parkinson]

The only way this can end is if the IDF makes it so painful that the Palestinians oust Hamas. If Hamas stays, then we get a repeat of events, again and again, with no hope of a future for Gaza and eventually expulsion of Palestinians from much of the WB.

 

[Furniture]

The only way this can end is if the IDF makes it so painful that the Palestinians oust Hamas. If Hamas stays, then we get a repeat of events, again and again, with no hope of a future for Gaza and eventually expulsion of Palestinians from much of the WB.

Yes, but reading about the IDF being mean upsets civilians at their breakfast.

 

[QV]

The only way this can end is if the IDF makes it so painful that the Palestinians oust Hamas. If Hamas stays, then we get a repeat of events, again and again, with no hope of a future for Gaza and eventually expulsion of Palestinians from much of the WB.

The IDF are dealing with monsters who kidnap, murder, and commit acts of terror for their ideology, including cooking helpless babies in microwaves as a throw back to the holocaust. And they live, hide, and strike from amongst a population that is some combination of fearful, neutral, or supportive/gleeful of their activity - no strong and organized resistance to their cause exists, but support does. The only way to deal with this is the complete destruction of Hamas, and every splinter that emerges thereafter.

 

[PrairieFella]

Yes, but reading about the IDF being mean upsets civilians at their breakfast.

I don't think the proper response to that is conquest and inevitable ethnic cleansing.

 

[PrairieFella]

The IDF are dealing with monsters who kidnap, murder, and commit acts of terror for their ideology, including cooking helpless babies in microwaves as a throw back to the holocaust. And they live, hide, and strike from amongst a population that is some combination of fearful, neutral, or supportive/gleeful of their activity - no strong and organized resistance to their cause exists, but support does. The only way to deal with this is the complete destruction of Hamas, and every splinter that emerges thereafter.

By bombing schools and attempting to use starvation as a weapon of war, they're recruiting more zealots than Hamas ever could with a recruitment campaign. As a descendant of survivors of the Holodomor, my view is using food as a weapon by the Israelis is as depraved as it comes.

 

[Furniture]

I don't think the proper response to that is conquest and inevitable ethnic cleansing.

What is your proposal then?

More of what Israel tried when they left Gaza to the Gazans? That got them Oct 7th...

The victor handing out supplies on their terms is how it works in war. Hamas has so deeply infiltrated the UN agencies in the area that they cannot be trusted, so Israel has to do it themselves. That makes it less efficient, but means that they know the supplies aren't going directly to hamas terrorists, so they can execute more attacks.

 

[PrairieFella]

What is your proposal then?

More of what Israel tried when they left Gaza to the Gazans? That got them Oct 7th...

The victor handing out supplies on their terms is how it works in war. Hamas has so deeply infiltrated the UN agencies in the area that they cannot be trusted, so Israel has to do it themselves. That makes it less efficient, but means that they know the supplies aren't going directly to hamas terrorists, so they can execute more attacks.

I don't have a solution, just like noone here does. All I know is that blockading Gaza and allowing 5 trucks of aid in for a couple million people and having a cabinet minister openly talk about ethnic cleansing sure smells like a war crime to me.

Also, spare the "into the hands of Hamas" bit when it comes to food. Baby formula and canola oil aren't exactly strategic assets unless we're talking about the withholding of such foodstuffs as a weapon.

Gaza: Israel allows aid in after 11-week blockade but UN calls it 'drop in ocean'

The UN's humanitarian chief welcomes the move but says it is only "a drop in the ocean of what is urgently needed".

www.bbc.com

 

[QV]

"Don't do that!"

"What should we do then?"

"I don't know! Just not that!"