AOR Replacement & the Joint Support Ship (Merged Threads)

[YZT580]

An ice strengthened LST or JSS (Davies GLAM for example) is not a warfighter but will deliver warfighting capabilities. The fact that they would be "ice breakers" would give them the ability to move and not be the sitting duck. They would not be a quick response but they could deliver a whole lot more than air dropped equipment be it fixed wing or rotary. Also if the Chinese and Russians are serious about claiming some turf I'm sure they would bring along some air defense capabilities whether it be ship or ground based. Also, drones will figure prominently as they seem to be the new norm.

Not really. in the time your LST completes one trip in one direction your C17 or C130 will have made at least dozen.

 

[Colin Parkinson]

Not really. in the time your LST completes one trip in one direction your C17 or C130 will have made at least dozen.

Only to existing airfields. An LST can land people and equipment at any beach it can reach. It's not an either/or thing. You need both. Start landing bulldozers and earthmoving equipment, you can get a rough airfield done, then your C130 can come in. I picked an LST as they will need less manpower than the Davie offering and cheaper to build and maintain.

 

[quadrapiper]

Only to existing airfields. An LST can land people and equipment at any beach it can reach. It's not an either/or thing. You need both. Start landing bulldozers and earthmoving equipment, you can get a rough airfield done, then your C130 can come in. I picked an LST as they will need less manpower than the Davie offering and cheaper to build and maintain.

Good Idea Fairy: "Sounds like a job for a parachute engineering platoon."

 

[MilEME09]

Anyone else botice the PM specifically mentions JSS in the 2% funding announcement? Is this perhaps a hint they will order a third ship?

 

[Czech_pivo]

Anyone else botice the PM specifically mentions JSS in the 2% funding announcement? Is this perhaps a hint they will order a third ship?

Hopefully a 4th as well.

 

[YZT580]

Hopefully a 4th as well.

I think that this is indeed possible. JSS aren't lethal so we can maintain the fiction that we are a peacekeeping nation. They are also very useful as public relations tools to respond to disaster areas with a full set of tools. Politically a very good idea.

 

[SeaKingTacco]

I think that this is indeed possible. JSS aren't lethal so we can maintain the fiction that we are a peacekeeping nation. They are also very useful as public relations tools to respond to disaster areas with a full set of tools. Politically a very good idea.

When you show to an Operation with an AOR, everyone is your friend…

 

[suffolkowner]

Anyone else botice the PM specifically mentions JSS in the 2% funding announcement? Is this perhaps a hint they will order a third ship?

need easy wins and thats one of them

 

[YZT580]

Only to existing airfields. An LST can land people and equipment at any beach it can reach. It's not an either/or thing. You need both. Start landing bulldozers and earthmoving equipment, you can get a rough airfield done, then your C130 can come in. I picked an LST as they will need less manpower than the Davie offering and cheaper to build and maintain.

We shouldn't be even thinking about developing the resources needed to invade our own country. I doubt very much if China, Russia, or anyone else is going to touch town 1000 miles from Yellowknife and start an invasion. Logistically, they would run out of gas long before they came into contact with their first indigenous hunter let alone a significant community. The logistics trail would require a fleet the size of the Spanish Armada. So there will be an airport somewhere nearby that our transports can use. We do have several serviceable squadrons of F18's. I would imagine that they would be causing a great deal of discomfort to any invading force which would have little or no air support. What we do need is a serviceable fleet of transports that we could call upon to transport troops and equipment to Europe or elsewhere as required. It is embarrassing to thinkt that we had to rent Anotovs to freight our equipment to Afghanistan (I think it was)

 

[Prairie canuck]

Only to existing airfields. An LST can land people and equipment at any beach it can reach. It's not an either/or thing. You need both. Start landing bulldozers and earthmoving equipment, you can get a rough airfield done, then your C130 can come in. I picked an LST as they will need less manpower than the Davie offering and cheaper to build and maintain.

I originally leaned towards an LST/LSM for the same reasons. However it may be very difficult to build a forward landing ramp and and have an ice breaking hull. The G-LAM needs some tweaks in my opinion (like much larger landing craft and maybe a well deck plus an increase in lane meters for boarded vehicles) but it comes closest to meeting the needs. A plus for the GLAM is its AOR capabilities. While not having the capacity of the JSS it could still provide a limited option if the JSS is away for it's own replenishment or scheduled maintenance.

 

[Oldgateboatdriver]

The G-LAM needs more than tweaks: It doesn't exist other than in infographic form. And that infographic raises more questions than it answers.

Is what is pictured the actual proposed aircraft loadout, or is it just an illustration of the types that could be embarked? If the second, than what is the real loadout? How big a crew? And do those rather restricted crew quarter include the air group? Or is the air group relegated to the secondary quarters to be used for the "passengers" of the embarked Army force? And how many Army personnel can be carried, and with what equipment? And does embarking Army equipment and landing crafts take away any of the aircraft capacity?

Want me to go on? That infographic shows everything all at once, but reveals nothing of the true actual employment capability.

People know that I am a fan of Davie's imaginative way of presenting to the government proposals for solutions to problem the government didn't even know existed, but this one is way too much in its infancy and not sufficiently developed to be looked at.

 

[OldSolduer]

I think that this is indeed possible. JSS aren't lethal so we can maintain the fiction that we are a peacekeeping nation. They are also very useful as public relations tools to respond to disaster areas with a full set of tools. Politically a very good idea.

I see the Canadian public at large seems to be enamored with the "peacekeeping" myth.

 

[FSTO]

I see the Canadian public at large seems to be enamored with the "peacekeeping" myth.

By listening to a young Liberal talking head on CBC yesterday on Power and Politics, the Peacekeeping Myth is alive and a spreading like wildfire in Liberal land.
Damn!

 

[KevinB]

Only to existing airfields. An LST can land people and equipment at any beach it can reach. It's not an either/or thing. You need both. Start landing bulldozers and earthmoving equipment, you can get a rough airfield done, then your C130 can come in. I picked an LST as they will need less manpower than the Davie offering and cheaper to build and maintain.

Back in the day, we used to jump into the Arctic…

 

[Colin Parkinson]

Back in the day, we used to jump into the Arctic…

Throwing you poor buggers out of the airplane is the easy part. Sustaining you on the ground and retrieving you would be the hard bit.

 

[Colin Parkinson]

By listening to a young Liberal talking head on CBC yesterday on Power and Politics, the Peacekeeping Myth is alive and a spreading like wildfire in Liberal land.
Damn!

Just look them in the eye and say "So you want to go to Haiti?"

 

[FSTO]

Just look them in the eye and say "So you want to go to Haiti?"

These youngsters are just a different type of Chickenhawk. Ready and willing to toss those trailer trash army types into the no win Peacekeeping operations but would never ever consider themselves candidates to go to the tough places.

Assholes, the lot of them.

 

[KevinB]

Throwing you poor buggers out of the airplane is the easy part. Sustaining you on the ground and retrieving you would be the hard bit.

We also used to walk and ski a bunch too.

Quite honestly Paratrooper’s on the ground in the Arctic are pretty easy to sustain if not in contact.

Generally they need to be viewed as the first option for a ground response.

 

[Colin Parkinson]

These youngsters are just a different type of Chickenhawk. Ready and willing to toss those trailer trash army types into the no win Peacekeeping operations but would never ever consider themselves candidates to go to the tough places.

Assholes, the lot of them.

Well we should send in civilian negotiators first I think......

 

[Halifax Tar]

Quite honestly Paratrooper’s on the ground in the Arctic are pretty easy to sustain if not in contact.

I'm listening.