AOR Replacement & the Joint Support Ship (Merged Threads)

[dapaterson]

Oh, come on now.

What are the odds of a ship completely losing power and drifting for days?

Depends whether you are on board or not...

 

[Prairie canuck]

The G-LAM needs more than tweaks: It doesn't exist other than in infographic form. And that infographic raises more questions than it answers.

Is what is pictured the actual proposed aircraft loadout, or is it just an illustration of the types that could be embarked? If the second, than what is the real loadout? How big a crew? And do those rather restricted crew quarter include the air group? Or is the air group relegated to the secondary quarters to be used for the "passengers" of the embarked Army force? And how many Army personnel can be carried, and with what equipment? And does embarking Army equipment and landing crafts take away any of the aircraft capacity?

Want me to go on? That infographic shows everything all at once, but reveals nothing of the true actual employment capability.

People know that I am a fan of Davie's imaginative way of presenting to the government proposals for solutions to problem the government didn't even know existed, but this one is way too much in its infancy and not sufficiently developed to be looked at.

It's, as you say, an infographic and not a final design. Once the customer presents its requirements, as with any other type or class then the design firms up to meet those requirements. Same process preceded the AOPS, River Class, and JSS. If the CF and the government get serious about acquiring capabilities similar to what's illustrated then specifics can be developed to meet them. I don't know of any design group worldwide who would present their completed design prior to any customer committing to it.
It requires us to look at the potential and use imagination to see what the concept could become.

 

[Kirkhill]

Bold of you to assume the ship has power to operate the crane...

I thought that is why the Navy hired Bos'ns?

 

[Kirkhill]

The G-LAM needs more than tweaks: It doesn't exist other than in infographic form. And that infographic raises more questions than it answers.

Is what is pictured the actual proposed aircraft loadout, or is it just an illustration of the types that could be embarked? If the second, than what is the real loadout? How big a crew? And do those rather restricted crew quarter include the air group? Or is the air group relegated to the secondary quarters to be used for the "passengers" of the embarked Army force? And how many Army personnel can be carried, and with what equipment? And does embarking Army equipment and landing crafts take away any of the aircraft capacity?

Want me to go on? That infographic shows everything all at once, but reveals nothing of the true actual employment capability.

People know that I am a fan of Davie's imaginative way of presenting to the government proposals for solutions to problem the government didn't even know existed, but this one is way too much in its infancy and not sufficiently developed to be looked at.

Maybe we could licence a JSS design from Damen? Apparently they also have experience in building ice class ships for Canadian waters.

Damen Shipyards Galaţi launches ice-class ro-pax ferry

Damen Shipyards Galaţi in Romania recently launched MV Veteran, the first of two ice-class ro-pax ferries on order for Canada’s Newfoundland and Labrador Provincial Government. Designed by Canadian company Fleetway and Danish architect Knud E. Hansen, the 80m ferry will be able to transport up...

www.cruiseandferry.net

Damen Shipyards Galaţi in Romania recently launched MV Veteran, the first of two ice-class ro-pax ferries on order for Canada’s Newfoundland and Labrador Provincial Government.

Designed by Canadian company Fleetway and Danish architect Knud E. Hansen, the 80m ferry will be able to transport up to 60 cars and 200 passengers and is on schedule for her planned autumn 2015 delivery. Her sister ship will be delivered in early 2016.

“We are working very hard to deliver these ferries on schedule and on budget,” said Jan van Hogerwou, manager of North America at Damen.

The launch coincides with Damen taking a step further towards setting up a Damen-certified service and maintenance centre in St. John’s, the capital of the Newfoundland and Labrador region.

Dutch JSS Karel Doorman

 

[Furniture]

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I thought that is why the Navy hired Bos'ns?

Handraulic looks cool in pictures, but after recovering a snapped towing hawser by hand, I can conform it's not an ideal way to do business.

 

[Oldgateboatdriver]

Unless things have changed from my days in, I don't remember any way to recover a towing hawser other than handraulic, snaped or intact.

 

[SeaKingTacco]

Handraulic looks cool in pictures, but after recovering a snapped towing hawser by hand, I can conform it's not an ideal way to do business.

That was a fun morning…it only took about 200 of us to get back onboard.

 

[lenaitch]

Hmm. To me that doesn’t seem to be very practical. But food and ammo for Paras doesn’t sink on land

It’s not a long term one, as general Light Infantry and especially the Paratrooper subset is a rapid reaction force.
Leaving them anywhere for more than a few weeks and they will have found a village to pillage, and either sacked the local whorehouse or built one…

As Franklin found out, it's a lot further between villages (and brothels) up there.

 

[Colin Parkinson]

That was a fun morning…it only took about 200 of us to get back onboard.

That's what these are for

 

[SeaKingTacco]

That's what these are for

Yeah. What were we thinking…..

 

[NavyShooter]

Luckily in my days in the Navy, we never had a bad problem with our CANTASS. I heard tell of ships getting them fouled up, and having to recover them by hand over the stern of the ship. In one case, apparently, it somehow got tied in a literal knot...no...we don't know how that happened. Pulling up an 800 foot long black rubber 4" diameter tube onto the quarterdeck and laying it out on the flight deck was apparently quite the evolution.

 

[Underway]

Luckily in my days in the Navy, we never had a bad problem with our CANTASS. I heard tell of ships getting them fouled up, and having to recover them by hand over the stern of the ship. In one case, apparently, it somehow got tied in a literal knot...no...we don't know how that happened. Pulling up an 800 foot long black rubber 4" diameter tube onto the quarterdeck and laying it out on the flight deck was apparently quite the evolution.

Get the guillotine! "Sorry sir, it was a risk to personnel and the ship, we had to cut it lose".

 

[OldSolduer]

Luckily in my days in the Navy, we never had a bad problem with our CANTASS. I heard tell of ships getting them fouled up, and having to recover them by hand over the stern of the ship. In one case, apparently, it somehow got tied in a literal knot...no...we don't know how that happened. Pulling up an 800 foot long black rubber 4" diameter tube onto the quarterdeck and laying it out on the flight deck was apparently quite the evolution.

So a CANTASS is a towed array sonar system? That thing must be worth a few sheckles....

 

[Underway]

So a CANTASS is a towed array sonar system? That thing must be worth a few sheckles....

Yah... its not something that you can just throw away. Especially since they don't really manufacture modules for it anymore. R&O work does make them from scratch when needed, but we are certainly not buying in bulk. 2002 I think it was HMCS Ottawa lost theirs, it was $3 million back then. I can only imagine what it would cost for a new one now.

 

[Nvlgzr]

That's what these are for

I don’t see any cable or rope on this capstan. Would this be attached to an anchor chain or other below deck?

 

[Halifax Tar]

Luckily in my days in the Navy, we never had a bad problem with our CANTASS. I heard tell of ships getting them fouled up, and having to recover them by hand over the stern of the ship. In one case, apparently, it somehow got tied in a literal knot...no...we don't know how that happened. Pulling up an 800 foot long black rubber 4" diameter tube onto the quarterdeck and laying it out on the flight deck was apparently quite the evolution.

When you're RASing with your tail out, and ST(A) throws oscar over the side.

Those were really big CF152. The biggest I have ever written and signed.

 

[quadrapiper]

I don’t see any cable or rope on this capstan. Would this be attached to an anchor chain or other below deck?

The lower-deck drum might be dealing with the actual anchor line, or with an endless messenger line seized to the anchor line.

 

[Maxman1]

Maybe we could licence a JSS design from Damen? Apparently they also have experience in building ice class ships for Canadian waters.

Damen Shipyards Galaţi launches ice-class ro-pax ferry

Damen Shipyards Galaţi in Romania recently launched MV Veteran, the first of two ice-class ro-pax ferries on order for Canada’s Newfoundland and Labrador Provincial Government. Designed by Canadian company Fleetway and Danish architect Knud E. Hansen, the 80m ferry will be able to transport up...

www.cruiseandferry.net

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Someone should have told British Columbia this was an option.

 

[Oldgateboatdriver]

Why? Is the ice that bad in B.C.?

 

[Colin Parkinson]

Why? Is the ice that bad in B.C.?

Yes it's never cold enough and melts to quickly