Political impacts of Ukraine war

[KevinB]

I guess people on a border with Russia and watching what the new face (or really old phase) of infantry warfare looks like are applying the lessons learned.

I mean, personally I just thought several of them were completely stupid for joining in the first place.

Mines, like any inanimate object aren’t good or bad. They require human interaction to do anything.

Properly designed minefields are a very legitimate tool for Military operations. Sometimes due to operational requirements hasty minefields need to be employed as well - and those may not have ‘proper’ marking or mapping.

The difference is that decent nations are not:
1) Making mines that look like children’s toys or are in colors to attract children.
Fuck you Russia and China.

2) Haphazardly strewing mines with no tactical reasons but to solely attempt to use the mines as indiscriminate weapons.
Lots of countries in this boat.


3) Marking and clearing minefields as soon as the mines aren’t required for military purposes.

 

[HavokFour]

Add another one, though this should be the least surprising of any of them.

Zelensky signs decree to withdraw from Ottawa Convention banning anti-personnel mines

"Russia is not a party to this Convention and is massively using mines against our military and civilians," lawmaker Roman Kostenko, secretary of the parliament's defense committee, said in a post on Facebook.

kyivindependent.com

 

[The Bread Guy]

Add another one, though this should be the least surprising of any of them.

Zelensky signs decree to withdraw from Ottawa Convention banning anti-personnel mines

"Russia is not a party to this Convention and is massively using mines against our military and civilians," lawmaker Roman Kostenko, secretary of the parliament's defense committee, said in a post on Facebook.

kyivindependent.com

So far, decree's only out via the Prez's Info-machine in Ukrainian (original UKR text also attached) - Chrome translation below:

DECREE OF THE PRESIDENT OF UKRAINE No. 441/2025​

On the decision of the National Security and Defense Council of Ukraine of June 29, 2025 "On Ukraine's withdrawal from the Convention on the Prohibition of the Use, Stockpiling, Production and Transfer of Anti-Personnel Mines and on their Destruction of September 18, 1997"
In accordance with Article 107 of the Constitution of Ukraine, I decree :

1. To implement the decision of the National Security and Defense Council of Ukraine of June 29, 2025 "On Ukraine's withdrawal from the Convention on the Prohibition of the Use, Stockpiling, Production and Transfer of Anti-Personnel Mines and on their Destruction of September 18, 1997" (attached).

2. Control over the implementation of the decision of the National Security and Defense Council of Ukraine, put into effect by this Decree, shall be entrusted to the Secretary of the National Security and Defense Council of Ukraine.

3. This Decree shall enter into force on the date of its publication.

President of Ukraine V. ZELENSKYI
June 29, 2025
Implemented

By decree of the President of Ukraine

From June 29, 2025

№ 441/2025

DECISION

National Security and Defense Council of Ukraine

from June 29, 2025

On Ukraine's withdrawal from the Convention on the Prohibition of the Use of

stockpiling, production and transfer of anti-personnel mines

and their destruction dated September 18, 1997

Guided by the national interests of Ukraine, in order to protect the territorial integrity and sovereignty of Ukraine, the National Security and Defense Council of Ukraine decided :

1. To support the proposal of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs of Ukraine regarding Ukraine's withdrawal from the Convention on the Prohibition of the Use, Stockpiling, Production and Transfer of Anti-Personnel Mines and on their Destruction of September 18, 1997.

2. The Cabinet of Ministers of Ukraine shall immediately ensure that measures are taken in accordance with the established procedure regarding Ukraine's withdrawal from the Convention on the Prohibition of the Use, Stockpiling, Production and Transfer of Anti-Personnel Mines and on their Destruction of September 18, 1997.

Secretary of the National Security and Defense Council of Ukraine O. LYTVYNENKO

Next stop: ratification by UKR's parliament ...

Zelensky Signs Decree for Ukraine’s Withdrawal From Anti-Landmine Treaty - The Moscow Times

Ukraine's President Volodymyr Zelensky on Sunday signed a decree putting his war-torn country on track to leave the anti-landmine Ottawa Convention, according to a document published on his website.

www.themoscowtimes.com

 

[HavokFour]

Sounds like some production lines might be getting expanded, if not additional new factories. That's a lot.

Germany reportedly mulls $29 billion tank, vehicle order to deter Russia

Berlin is reportedly considering purchasing up to 2,500 GTK Boxer armored vehicles and up to 1,000 Leopard 2 battle tanks.

kyivindependent.com

 

[YZT580]

So far, decree's only out via the Prez's Info-machine in Ukrainian (original UKR text also attached) - Chrome translation below:

Next stop: ratification by UKR's parliament ...

Zelensky Signs Decree for Ukraine’s Withdrawal From Anti-Landmine Treaty - The Moscow Times

Ukraine's President Volodymyr Zelensky on Sunday signed a decree putting his war-torn country on track to leave the anti-landmine Ottawa Convention, according to a document published on his website.

www.themoscowtimes.com

feel good meets reality. Feel good loses every time.

 

[HavokFour]

https://bsky.app/profile/specialkhersoncat.bsky.social%2Fpost%2F3ltknikyds22t

 

[SeaKingTacco]

What took them so long?

The should have started in Feb 22…

 

[HavokFour]

Orban is acting up again and might possibly be laying groundwork for... something, and not anything good. The root of this might be him not feeling too hot about his chances in the election next year.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1945718399301984636

 

[RangerRay]

Can we kick Hungary out of NATO yet?

 

[Brad Sallows]

Better to have countries like Hungary and Turkey on the inside than the outside.

 

[HavokFour]

Another thing to add to the future history books. I'd say this is more significant than everyone embracing landmines again.

First German-UK defense pact since WWII followed by Moscow warning

On the sidelines of the signing, the leaders also teased a new phase in the provision of long-range weapons to Ukraine.

www.defensenews.com

Treaty:

Treaty between the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland and the Federal Republic of Germany on friendship and bilateral cooperation

Treaty between the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland and the Federal Republic of Germany on friendship and bilateral cooperation

www.gov.uk

 

[Czech_pivo]

Orban is acting up again and might possibly be laying groundwork for... something, and not anything good. The root of this might be him not feeling too hot about his chances in the election next year.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1945718399301984636

This sounds an awful lot like someone who very well might say the same thing about ‘what is Romania, can we even define the borders of it?’ I’m saying this in relationship to Transylvania and its large Hungarian population. Orban might very say the same thing about Slovakia and its Hungarian minority, Hell, Hungary and Slovakia (ex Czechoslovakia) never rebuilt the blown bridge in Estergom Hungary and city across the Danube in Czechoslakvia until the later 1990s because of the Hungarian minority in the old Czechoslovakia.

 

[dapaterson]

This sounds an awful lot like someone who very well might say the same thing about ‘what is Romania, can we even define the borders of it?’ I’m saying this in relationship to Transylvania and its large Hungarian population. Orban might very say the same thing about Slovakia and its Hungarian minority, Hell, Hungary and Slovakia (ex Czechoslovakia) never rebuilt the blown bridge in Estergom Hungary and city across the Danube in Czechoslakvia until the later 1990s because of the Hungarian minority in the old Czechoslovakia.

I did not have the restoration of the Austro-Hungarian empire on my bingo card. .

 

[Czech_pivo]

I did not have the restoration of the Austro-Hungarian empire on my bingo card. .

lol, maybe just the Hungarian side of the equation, not the Austro side. I think they’d be hard pressed to take back Galicia from Poland now.

 

[KevinB]

Can we kick Hungary out of NATO yet?

Better yet just have our little green men go whack OB.