New Canadian Shipbuilding Strategy

[Maxman1]

Yes, they use MICA IIRC. Which is a horrible option. Likely a Canadianized version would have Mk56 launchers instead for ESSM. Would prefer Mk41 but space, weight, cost might be prohibitive. The RAM would be replaced with something else (or nothing at all).

If this ship is going to stand on its own, I think ESSM is a must. At a minimum 8 missiles.

The Pohjanma class has exactly that, 8 Mk 41 carrying 32 ESSM.

 

[Underway]

The Pohjanma class has exactly that, 8 Mk 41 carrying 32 ESSM.

Those are twice the tonnage that the RCN is looking at and about 15m longer as well. So not quite a comparable but certainly something to look at for engineering ideas.

 

[PrairieFella]

Idk if its too early to ask this but will these new corvettes if they do happen primarily be screwed by reservists like the MCDVs? If not, will there be some other task given to the NAVRES or just keeping up with augmentation?

 

[Underway]

Idk if its too early to ask this but will these new corvettes if they do happen primarily be screwed by reservists like the MCDVs? If not, will there be some other task given to the NAVRES or just keeping up with augmentation?

Nope. I think that ship has sailed. Pun intended.

 

[Colin Parkinson]

Japan pitching to Australia

 

[FM07]

Idk if its too early to ask this but will these new corvettes if they do happen primarily be screwed by reservists like the MCDVs? If not, will there be some other task given to the NAVRES or just keeping up with augmentation?

No. Will likely be RegF billets with some PRes augmentees, forcegen, OJES etc. MCDV's havent been crewed primarily by the PRes for 10+ years now.

 

[calculus]

Japan pitching to Australia

That program was at the cost of 3 of the originally programmed 9 Hunter Class frigates. I don't think we want to reduce our number of RCDs similarly to fund another completely different class of ship. I'm hoping the new CMMC is not planned to be at the expense of a number of RCDs. I would think with the recent boost in DND's budget we can now afford both...

 

[Underway]

That program was at the cost of 3 of the originally programmed 9 Hunter Class frigates. I don't think we want to reduce our number of RCDs similarly to fund another completely different class of ship. I'm hoping the new CMMC is not planned to be at the expense of a number of RCDs. I would think with the recent boost in DND's budget we can now afford both...

CMMC is now Continental Defence Corvette (CDC). They changed the name to not pigeonhole the project.

 

[Stoker]

Some large visitors to our dockyard in Halifax.

 

[Czech_pivo]

Some large visitors to our dockyard in Halifax.View attachment 94582View attachment 94583

I’m sure the bars in downtown Halifax will be extra lively this weekend!

 

[PrairieFella]

I’m sure the bars in downtown Halifax will be extra lively this weekend!

Which class of ships are those?

 

[Oldgateboatdriver]

The squarish one is a Royal Netherlands Navy LPD (Landing Platform Dock - an amphibious warfare ship) of the Rotterdam class, it bears number 801, so it is the RNNS Johan De Wit.

The more "yacht" looking one is also a LPD, American this time, of the San Antonio class, it bears number 21, so it is the USS New York.

 

[Maxman1]

Parts of the World Trade Centre were used to build that.

 

[Fishbone Jones]

Are they planning on keeping Moncton in her disruptive pattern camouflage? I think she was repainted in that scheme in 2019. She must have been repainted since.

 

[Stoker]

Are they planning on keeping Moncton in her disruptive pattern camouflage? I think she was repainted in that scheme in 2019. She must have been repainted since.

Considering she just came out of refit and was just repainted no.

 

[Oldgateboatdriver]

Parts of the World Trade Centre were used to build that.

Quite right. The frames of her bow were made using steel beams recovered from the twin towers. On the bulkhead of one of her main compartments (don't know which one), she has a huge depiction of an American flag made up by using the names of everyone who perished in the twin towers attack on 9/11 in different colours.

 

[daftandbarmy]

Some large visitors to our dockyard in Halifax.View attachment 94582View attachment 94583

Handy ships... I spent some time 'passing through' their British cousins, the Fearless and Intrepid, with the Royal Marines.

Our motto: Don't fuck around on the flight deck

 

[Oldgateboatdriver]

I am trying to figure why the tugs are from Atlantic Towing instead of from our own Navy fleet auxiliaries.

 

[SeaKingTacco]

I am trying to figure why the tugs are from Atlantic Towing instead of from our own Navy fleet auxiliaries.

Not big enough? Overtime bill?

 

[Kirkhill]

“You’ve got this crunch period between planning to fix the frigate gap and it actually being fixed, because of the timelines for ship construction,” explains Emma Salisbury, a naval expert at the Council on Geostrategy.

“It’s a really difficult problem, because there isn’t really much you can do. Ships take as long as they take to build and, although there are some things you can do to speed things up a bit, you can’t just turn them out in a couple of weeks.

“There is going to be a period where we’ll have to do what we can with the fleet we have, while we wait for these new ships to come into service.”

The crisis leaving the Royal Navy more exposed than ever

Britain’s war-readiness is under threat as it battles a crippling shortage of skills and warships

www.telegraph.co.uk

If everybody is having problems building ships fast enough and everybody is having problems enticing landlubbers to become ordinary seamen then when does everybody decide it is time to do "the other thing"?

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Nobody can build big exquisites like the San Antonios, or even your Rivers, fast enough and cheaply enough to meet the projected demands of the near term.

The requirement is for new materials, new techniques and new assumptions.

Otherwise: