Hamas invaded Israel 2023

[Kirkhill]

Joint statement from the leaders of the United Kingdom, France and Canada on the situation in Gaza and the West Bank

Joint statement from the leaders of the United Kingdom, France and Canada on the situation in Gaza and the West Bank.

www.gov.uk

Macron, Starmer and Carney on Palestine.

Trump on Macron on Palestine (apparently Starmer and Carney don't rate)

Before flying to Scotland on Friday, Donald Trump subjected the preening French president to his worst humiliation: that of irrelevance. Macron’s geopolitically illiterate announcement on recognising Palestine “doesn’t matter”, Trump said.

“He’s a very good guy. I like him, but that statement doesn’t carry weight,” he added, bringing to mind Jon Snow’s observation in season seven of Game of Thrones that “everything before the word ‘but’ is horse s—”.

As if that wasn’t bad enough, then came the real twist of the knife. “Here’s the good news,” Trump concluded. “What he says doesn’t matter. It’s not going to change anything.”

there will be no Palestinian state unless the Americans and Israelis agree to one. And that ain’t going to happen while the Palestinians are led by regimes that support terrorism and refuse to recognise Israel’s existence.

And the prospective Course of Action?

What will be the result? Over the weekend, Senator Lindsey Graham told NBC News that Hamas had effectively signed its own death warrant, arguing that “there’s no way you’re going to negotiate an end of this war with Hamas”. “They’re going to do in Gaza what we did in Tokyo and Berlin, take the place by force and start over again, presenting a better future for the Palestinians, hopefully having the Arabs take over the West Bank and Gaza,” Senator Graham added.

That should be enjoyable. Watching the Jordanians, Lebanese, Syrians or Egyptians seal the borders.

Trump just exposed how irrelevant the Europeans have now become

Emmanuel Macron and Keir Starmer are small men commenting on events over which they have no control

www.telegraph.co.uk

...

If they Europeans are irrelevant how irrelevant are we?

 

[McG]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1951085818954785248

 

[Jarnhamar]

#Pride doing what it does best.


Jewish LGBTQ2+ group excluded from Montreal Pride as organizers condemn ‘genocide in Gaza’

 

[lenaitch]

#Pride doing what it does best.


Jewish LGBTQ2+ group excluded from Montreal Pride as organizers condemn ‘genocide in Gaza’

Excluded from a purported festival of inclusion.

 

[Colin Parkinson]

There is a whole sub section of gay people who despise the Pride parades and the spectacle that it is.

 

[OldSolduer]

#Pride doing what it does best.


Jewish LGBTQ2+ group excluded from Montreal Pride as organizers condemn ‘genocide in Gaza’

ahhhh the Champions of DEI (a doctrine of the jealous) shows its true colors - its not a rainbow at all.

 

[The Bread Guy]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1951085818954785248

Missed this one completely. Don’t know how much it’ll move the Hamas needle, but I just saw pigs fly outside my window. We’ll see if they do more than just issue a statement.

LATE ADD (1): They even condemned the 7 Oct attacks!

In a first, Arab League countries condemn Oct. 7 attack, call on Hamas to disarm

The move comes amid growing signs that world leaders are increasingly willing to jolt the Israeli-Palestinian conflict quagmire in new ways.

thecjn.ca

LATE ADD (2): I knew I was being too optimistic ....

Hamas refuses to disarm until Palestinian state established

Negotiations between Israel and Hamas for a ceasefire and the release of hostages stalled last week.

www.bbc.com

Hamas denies it expressed willingness to disarm, slams Witkoff’s Gaza trip

Palestinian group says right to resist Israeli occupation ‘cannot be relinquished until full national rights restored’.

www.aljazeera.com

 

[PrairieFella]

I listened to a podcast today saying the condemnations were in exchange for France and thr UK recognizing statehood.

 

[daftandbarmy]

Hamas is defeated... but won't be quiet of course

 

[The Bread Guy]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1951085818954785248

And here's the statement, for the record ....

 

[The Bread Guy]

Careful about how you choose the enemy of your enemy ....

Israel arming anti-Hamas Gaza clans, including leader accused of looting aid trucks: reports

Israel is arming local gangs in the Gaza Strip to weaken Hamas, but the efforts are propping up a man accused of looting aid trucks, according to a new report.

nypost.com

Anti-Hamas Gaza militia leader Abu Shabab says Israel not an enemy | The Jerusalem Post

Abu Shabab even hinted at a future in politics: "We will be what our people want us to be. We will not impose any political system on their will."

www.jpost.com

From Gaza prisoner to ‘the Israeli agent’: how rise of Abu Shabab could ignite new phase of war

In email exchange, leader of clan that Israel acknowledges arming blames Hamas for war and for looting of aid trucks

www.theguardian.com

Hamas-run court gives Gaza gang leader Abu Shabab 10 days to surrender

Abu Shabab is the leader of the Popular Forces, a criminal group in southern Gaza thought to be backed by Israel.

www.aljazeera.com

More on the dude and his posse ....

Yasser Abu Shabab - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Who Is Yasser Abu Shabab? | Gaza, Biography, Militia, Israel, Hamas, & Facts | Britannica

Yasser Abu Shabab is the leader of a Palestinian militia based in Rafah in the southern Gaza Strip.

www.britannica.com

Popular Forces - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

That whole tribal & gang/criminal group entanglement is sure going to make it tough(er?) to sort things out in Gaza, even if finessing support (especially from Arab League countries, if they want to put their money where their mouths are) to certain groups may offer some opportunities to rein in Hamas. Quite the ball of string to untangle there ...

 

[OldSolduer]

Careful about how you choose the enemy of your enemy ....


That whole tribal & gang/criminal group entanglement is sure going to make it tough to sort things out in Gaza, even if finessing support (especially from Arab League countries, if they want to put their money where their mouths are) to certain groups may offer some opportunities to rein in Hamas. Quite the ball of string to untangle there ...

What a dog`s breakfast. Typical of that area, is it not?

 

[Colin Parkinson]

Careful about how you choose the enemy of your enemy ....

Israel arming anti-Hamas Gaza clans, including leader accused of looting aid trucks: reports

Israel is arming local gangs in the Gaza Strip to weaken Hamas, but the efforts are propping up a man accused of looting aid trucks, according to a new report.

nypost.com

Anti-Hamas Gaza militia leader Abu Shabab says Israel not an enemy | The Jerusalem Post

Abu Shabab even hinted at a future in politics: "We will be what our people want us to be. We will not impose any political system on their will."

www.jpost.com

From Gaza prisoner to ‘the Israeli agent’: how rise of Abu Shabab could ignite new phase of war

In email exchange, leader of clan that Israel acknowledges arming blames Hamas for war and for looting of aid trucks

www.theguardian.com

Hamas-run court gives Gaza gang leader Abu Shabab 10 days to surrender

Abu Shabab is the leader of the Popular Forces, a criminal group in southern Gaza thought to be backed by Israel.

www.aljazeera.com

More on the dude and his posse ....

Yasser Abu Shabab - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Who Is Yasser Abu Shabab? | Gaza, Biography, Militia, Israel, Hamas, & Facts | Britannica

Yasser Abu Shabab is the leader of a Palestinian militia based in Rafah in the southern Gaza Strip.

www.britannica.com

Popular Forces - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

That whole tribal & gang/criminal group entanglement is sure going to make it tough(er?) to sort things out in Gaza, even if finessing support (especially from Arab League countries, if they want to put their money where their mouths are) to certain groups may offer some opportunities to rein in Hamas. Quite the ball of string to untangle there ...

The British made sure to arm the biggest clan, tribe or warlord to keep a place stable and allow trade/resource extraction to happen. It's going to take semi-ruthless armed Gazans to root out the final Hamas holdouts and locate the bodies of remaining hostages. Anyone who thinks this is going to be a relatively clean changeover is smoking some strong stuff.
Letting some strongman who is anti-Hamas take over is the only way for now. Once things settle down and rebuilding starts, just keep a tight leash on them and minimize the corruption to acceptable levels.
As things improve, you can force a slow change to more representative system, other than Israel, none of the other countries have a true representative government, so no reason to expect that of any Palestinian State.

 

[The Bread Guy]

Anyone who thinks this is going to be a relatively clean and quick changeover is smoking some strong stuff.

Oh yeah, especially with the add on above.

Letting some strongman who is anti-Hamas take over is the only way for now. Once things settle down and rebuilding starts, just keep a tight leash on them and minimize the corruption to acceptable levels.

With fingers crossed re: remembering past mistakes with picking the wrong "enemy of my enemy."

 

[brihard]

The British made sure to arm the biggest clan, tribe or warlord to keep a place stable and allow trade/resource extraction to happen. It's going to take semi-ruthless armed Gazans to root out the final Hamas holdouts and locate the bodies of remaining hostages. Anyone who thinks this is going to be a relatively clean changeover is smoking some strong stuff.
Letting some strongman who is anti-Hamas take over is the only way for now. Once things settle down and rebuilding starts, just keep a tight leash on them and minimize the corruption to acceptable levels.
As things improve, you can force a slow change to more representative system, other than Israel, none of the other countries have a true representative government, so no reason to expect that of any Palestinian State.

When the baseline for everything is desperate and awful, you cannot reasonably expect that your own picked horse won’t stay desperate and awful, particularly if they’re not the most powerful faction.

 

[KevinB]

Oh yeah, especially with the add on above.

With fingers crossed re: remembering past mistakes with picking the wrong "enemy of my enemy."

Glass half full, they will at least kill off some Hamas.

Glass half empty: yes what a fantastic thing it was to let the ISI bring the Taliban to being /sarcasm.

 

[Colin Parkinson]

At this point, a strongman and his clan that is just about getting rich, will be a step up from the current death cult.

 

[McG]

Netanyahu new endstate seems to be ‘full conquest’ of Gaza
Netanyahu to urge ‘full conquest’ of Gaza as ceasefire talks reach an impasse

 

[KevinB]

Netanyahu new endstate seems to be ‘full conquest’ of Gaza
Netanyahu to urge ‘full conquest’ of Gaza as ceasefire talks reach an impasse

He’s trying to draw away from he’s ignoring his Supreme Court

 

[The Bread Guy]

Glass half full, they will at least kill off some Hamas.

True dat.

Glass half empty: yes what a fantastic thing it was to let the ISI bring the Taliban to being /sarcasm

Zackly the thing I hope doesn’t happen, too.

Then again, like @brihard hints at, sometimes the best choice is the least shitty choice at that point in time.