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Would Mandatory National Service make the CF stronger?

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Do you think military service should manditory in Canada?


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Well. That's true isn't it.

Which says so much about their politics. I'm not quite sure what your point was about the Democrats but I'm certainly of the view that neither the first nor the last candidate was a good choice considering the mood of the country and the issues facing it. It was a weak attempt to catch the centre and they failed miserably.

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Biden did not run as a independent and then their attempt to insert K.H. That's all on the power factions within the Democratic party, They busy effing the dog, thinking Biden would last through the election and then it would not matter if he lived or died. Both parties did a dismal job of preparing a new generation of candidates and here we are with the result.

I also agree with @Kirkhill that the US poor quality of education is playing a role in voters being easily misled, by both sides.
 
66,000 in 1918 is ~330,000 today
47,000 in 1945 is ~180,000 today
All on YouTube, TikTok and X.
No feckin way would I ever support this country getting into a general war ever again on behalf of or at the best of another country. Which is why I still think we need to up our deterrence game to the max possible (nuclear) to keep the Zombies off the continent. Defend the homeland and when all those relevant boxes have a check mark, be forever vigilant.
Want to have a proactive off shore defence tied to foreign policy? Intelligence with kinetic effects. Neutralize threats detected in the embryo. Special forces etc. Abort the enemy and it’s plans in genesis, stuff like that.
 
Not to sound like too much of an ass but I bet mandatory service would look a lot like this for many people.


Day 1: "hurt" doing the FORCE test

-MELs for the next year and can't work.
-VAC claim.
-Hurting myself gave me a mental health injury.
-VAC claim.
-PCat; 3B medical release.
-2 years salary at 90% of Cpl(0)
-2 year school program worth $40,000
-on second thought I can't work; CAF Long Term Disability.
 
Want to have a proactive off shore defence tied to foreign policy? Intelligence with kinetic effects. Neutralize threats detected in the embryo. Special forces etc. Abort the enemy and it’s plans in genesis, stuff like that.
The West as a whole is fairly reluctant to conduct operations like that.
The French will if they feel it is in their best interests.
The British used to.
America has been trying to get away from that.

No feckin way would I ever support this country getting into a general war ever again on behalf of or at the best of another country. Which is why I still think we need to up our deterrence game to the max possible (nuclear) to keep the Zombies off the continent. Defend the homeland and when all those relevant boxes have a check mark, be forever vigilant.
Which generally doesn't stop "little green men" or gray zone operations.
 
Not to sound like too much of an ass but I bet mandatory service would look a lot like this for many people.


Day 1: "hurt" doing the FORCE test

-MELs for the next year and can't work.
-VAC claim.
-Hurting myself gave me a mental health injury.
-VAC claim.
-PCat; 3B medical release.
-2 years salary at 90% of Cpl(0)
-2 year school program worth $40,000
-on second thought I can't work; CAF Long Term Disability.

The Danes are a generally fit society.

They find that about half of those eligible are fit for national service.
 
The Danes are a generally fit society.

They find that about half of those eligible are fit for national service.

Our societal fitness level is definitely paying for our sedimentary lifestyle and electronics addiction.

Getting rid of the fitness test before basic means we got more recruits, at the price of some of those recruits wasting tax dollars, resources, and space e.g "warrior" platoons.

People get genuinely hurt and im not trashing them. Naturally people faking injuries to get compensation come with the territory but I'm thinking that process would be all too easy to take advantage of if we introduced mandatory service
 
Naturally people faking injuries to get compensation come with the territory but I'm thinking that process would be all too easy to take advantage of if we introduced mandatory service
I agree 100%.

With an all volunteer force we get a few genuine malingers, with 100k+ new conscripts each year, we would have tens of thousands of them.
 
Which generally doesn't stop "little green men" or gray zone operations.

Which in turn drives our society towards more of a police state and a permanent state of emergency.

One of Britain's points of pride has been that they have had no "internal passports". No freeborn Brit had to carry ID. They have had to carry licences for particular purposes but never had to carry papers to identify themselves.

Now they are struggling with possibly having to carry ID because there are so many foreigners, legal and illegal, claiming the benefits of citizenship.

It is getting harder to find freedom these days.
 
Not to sound like too much of an ass but I bet mandatory service would look a lot like this for many people.


Day 1: "hurt" doing the FORCE test

-MELs for the next year and can't work.
-VAC claim.
-Hurting myself gave me a mental health injury.
-VAC claim.
-PCat; 3B medical release.
-2 years salary at 90% of Cpl(0)
-2 year school program worth $40,000
-on second thought I can't work; CAF Long Term Disability.
This can't be a new issue, how do/did other countries deal with it?
 
This can't be a new issue, how do/did other countries deal with it?
A. No veterans affairs, so sorry, see you later. Places like Eritrea.
B. Work related injury, go through workers comp. Maybe some veterans affairs.
C. Better system with more through investigations.
D. Suck it up, consider it the cost doing business. Most people are honest.

Lots of options.
 
One man's opinion

John Robson on John Stuart Mill and war

as John Stuart Mill famously if uncharacteristically put it, “War is an ugly thing, but not the ugliest of things: the decayed and degraded state of moral and patriotic feeling which thinks that nothing is worth a war, is much worse.” Which comes from, yes, his “Principles of Political Economy.”
“A man who has nothing which he is willing to fight for, nothing which he cares more about than he does about his personal safety, is a miserable creature who has no chance of being free, unless made and kept so by the exertions of better men than himself.”
“A war to protect other human beings against tyrannical injustice; a war to give victory to their own ideas of right and good, and which is their own war, carried on for an honest purpose by their free choice, — is often the means of their regeneration.”
“When a people are used as mere human instruments for firing cannon or thrusting bayonets, in the service and for the selfish purposes of a master, such war degrades a people.”


“As long as justice and injustice have not terminated their ever-renewing fight for ascendancy in the affairs of mankind, human beings must be willing, when need is, to do battle for the one against the other.”



Meanwhile, Canada.
 
I am as much an Adam Ferguson supporter

AI Overview

Adam Ferguson strongly supported the idea of a citizen militia, believing it was crucial for both military strength and the virtue of citizens. He argued that a citizen militia, where individuals participate in defending their nation, fostered civic engagement and a sense of shared responsibility. While acknowledging the potential military superiority of professional armies, he maintained that a citizen militia instilled valuable qualities like courage, discipline, and public spirit, which were essential for a thriving society.

Here's a more detailed look at Ferguson's views:
  • Military Effectiveness:
    Ferguson believed that a well-trained and organized citizen militia could be a formidable force, capable of defending the nation.

  • Citizen Virtue:
    He argued that participation in a militia cultivated virtues like courage, discipline, and a sense of public duty among citizens.

  • Counterpoint to Professional Armies:
    While recognizing the strengths of professional armies, Ferguson saw them as potentially detached from the citizenry and lacking the civic virtues fostered by a militia.

  • The "Poker Club":
    Ferguson was a key figure in "The Poker Club," a discussion society that actively promoted the idea of a citizen militia, particularly in the context of perceived threats from France and the Jacobite cause.

  • Influence on Adam Smith:
    While Smith generally agreed with Ferguson on many points, he disagreed on the importance of a citizen militia, believing it would be ineffective against a modern professional army.

  • Context of the Scottish Enlightenment:
    Ferguson's views on the militia were part of the broader intellectual landscape of the Scottish Enlightenment, where thinkers were grappling with issues of national identity, civic virtue, and the role of the state.
 
I am as much an Adam Ferguson supporter

Coincidentally I just watched a program on the US Continental Army engaging with Cornwallis during his South Carolina Campaign of 1780-81.

Although the Yanks ultimately emerged better off for a variety of reasons, their much vaunted militia seemed more of liability than an asset.
 
Coincidentally I just watched a program on the US Continental Army engaging with Cornwallis during his South Carolina Campaign of 1780-81.

Although the Yanks ultimately emerged better off for a variety of reasons, their much vaunted militia seemed more of liability than an asset.

Two questions.

From where did the Yanks recruit their Continental Army for von Steuben to train?
Who won the war?
 
This can't be a new issue, how do/did other countries deal with it?

I've never read up on other countries dealing with it.

I think our problem is largely with the CAFs risk aversion. That's combined with medicals policy to essentially just believe whatever they're told by someone coming in.
("Even if someone is obviously lying there must be a reason they're lying so it's still an issue").

Add Calian doctors into the mix who may not get the bigger picture of giving out of shape soldiers consecutive 30 day no PT chits.

I'm sure everyone deals with it, we just have a very low bar for MELs and TCats.
 
I was hoping that the instructor's bonus might encourage Regs to be lining up to train thousands of willing youngsters in the summer.
Sure, but only if they can sleep at home I suspect. No-one wants to go on TD to teach anymore IMO.
 
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