Canada moves to 2% GDP end of FY25/26 - PMMC

[ytz]

The Koreans just picked the Global with the Conformal AEW.

L3Harris Secures South Korea Airborne Early Warning Contract | Aviation Week Network

South Korea has selected L3Harris to supply additional airborne early warning aircraft under its E-X Phase II program running through 2032.

aviationweek.com

They also have proposals for a whole ISR family based on the Global. This is how we should support Canadian industry and get the CAF actual world class capability.

 

[MilEME09]

Just heard the RCEME school is hiring civilian full time tech instructors, offering $38/h plus 25 vacation days starting.

 

[dapaterson]

Just heard the RCEME school is hiring civilian full time tech instructors, offering $38/h plus 25 vacation days starting.

At $38 / hr, you're paying $76K annually, or a bit under $6400 monthly - aka Cpl (3), non spec.

 

[MilEME09]

At $38 / hr, you're paying $76K annually, or a bit under $6400 monthly - aka Cpl (3), non spec.

Which really doesnt fit the cost of living in that area

 

[Czech_pivo]

Which really doesnt fit the cost of living in that area

76k and 5 weeks vacation is not good for the Kingston metro area?

 

[MilEME09]

76k and 5 weeks vacation is not good for the Kingston metro area?

Borden area, homes in Angus just outside the gates are going for 900k

 

[PuckChaser]

76k and 5 weeks vacation is not good for the Kingston metro area?

EME school is in Borden. Its not good for either. Kingston is massively expensive now.

 

[brihard]

Presumably they’ll be hiring retired CAF techs who are already long established and will be double dipping on a pension.

 

[IKnowNothing]

Which really doesnt fit the cost of living in that area

And yet, there are literally hundreds of thousands of people living within an hour, many/most making less.

Recruiting civilians living local to a base isnt the same as transfering in transient service members that have to start from scratch

 

[dapaterson]

Presumably they’ll be hiring retired CAF techs who are already long established and will be double dipping on a pension.

That's not necessarily a sustainable business model. "I will pay you less than market wages because you're ex military" isn't a way to attract the best and brightest, so much as those lacking other options.

 

[Quirky]

That's not necessarily a sustainable business model. "I will pay you less than market wages because you're ex military" isn't a way to attract the best and brightest, so much as those lacking other options.

Pretty much every employer on a CAF base offering easy pre-requisites for retired members.

 

[PrairieFella]

Asylum seekers who enter into canada illegally, that is not at recognized border crossings, often become refugees.

The average asylum claim (including those poor souls leaving war ravaged Vermont) is 24 months. Appeals and such can be up to an extra year or more.
At $6700 per person per day (used for hotel fees and 3x meals a day) thats $160,000 (for 2 years).
That's not including a bunch incidentals.

Once they become refugees their support drops to welfare level. $800-$1000 a month.

Our seniors get Old Age Security (OAS) and Guaranteed Income Suppliment (GIS) at around $1800 per month. Plus whatever their CCP is.


It would be nice to give our seniors that $6700 per month for 2 years for food and lodging.

They arent given a cot and 3 hots on the taxpayer dime, thats propaganda. Source: I work with refugees civvie side.

 

[Jarnhamar]

They arent given a cot and 3 hots on the taxpayer dime, thats propaganda. Source: I work with refugees civvie side.

I'm a little confused.

Are you saying asylum seekers aren't put up in hotels and given 3 meals?

Or refugees aren't given monetary assistance that's similar to welfare once they recieve refugee status?

 

[PrairieFella]

I'm a little confused.

Are you saying asylum seekers aren't put up in hotels and given 3 meals?

Or refugees aren't given monetary assistance that's similar to welfare once they recieve refugee status?

The majority of asylum seekers are inland so theyre here already working, studying or what not. They are given work permits at their eligibility sessions if eligible and are sent home to fend for themselves until their RPD hearing. They work, pay taxes, etc. They may receive welfare depending on their financials but they are not receiving 160k a year in food and shelter benefits. Also, they dony receive money by virtue of being a convention refugee, they can receive welfare if below the income threshold but any assistance is terminated once they make enough money, just like any PR or citizen.

 

[Jarnhamar]

The majority of asylum seekers are inland so theyre here already working, studying or what not. They are given work permits at their eligibility sessions if eligible and are sent home to fend for themselves until their RPD hearing. They work, pay taxes, etc. They may receive welfare depending on their financials but they are not receiving 160k a year in food and shelter benefits. Also, they dony receive money by virtue of being a convention refugee, they can receive welfare if below the income threshold but any assistance is terminated once they make enough money, just like any PR or citizen.

I'm still confused with the asylum seekers and refugees cross over.

The majority of asylum seekers aren't in hotels thats true. It looks like we're down to 485 of them in 5 hotels. Their numbers dropped significantly from previous years.
In 2023 we filled up 46 hotels with asylum seekers.

Those asylum seekers in hotels are costing Canada $6480 per month (not $6700, oops) for a hotel room, $132 per day (down from over $200) and $84 for 3x meals a day.

Family of 5 is going to cost $552 per day, or $16,560 per month.

If the average asylum claim takes 2 years then someone staying in a hotel is going to cost taxpayers $155,520. $397,440 for a family of 5.

It looks like asylum seekers not staying in hotels aren't given that stipend.


A refugee is given a one-time start up amount of $2065 and in Ontario under the Resettlement Assistance Program around $837 per month for a single adult. More for is aligned with Ontario's social assistance rates. As of the most recent update in 2025, a single adult refugee can expect to receive approximately $837 per month. A family of 5, 2 adults and 3 kids under 18, would get $2,569 per month. And over $3000 with the Canada Child Benefit. After a year if theyre not self sufficient they switch over to welfare.

That's not propaganda.

 

[Czech_pivo]

I'm still confused with the asylum seekers and refugees cross over.

The majority of asylum seekers aren't in hotels thats true. It looks like we're down to 485 of them in 5 hotels. Their numbers dropped significantly from previous years.
In 2023 we filled up 46 hotels with asylum seekers.

Those asylum seekers in hotels are costing Canada $6480 per month (not $6700, oops) for a hotel room, $132 per day (down from over $200) and $84 for 3x meals a day.

Family of 5 is going to cost $552 per day, or $16,560 per month.

If the average asylum claim takes 2 years then someone staying in a hotel is going to cost taxpayers $155,520. $397,440 for a family of 5.

It looks like asylum seekers not staying in hotels aren't given that stipend.


A refugee is given a one-time start up amount of $2065 and in Ontario under the Resettlement Assistance Program around $837 per month for a single adult. More for is aligned with Ontario's social assistance rates. As of the most recent update in 2025, a single adult refugee can expect to receive approximately $837 per month. A family of 5, 2 adults and 3 kids under 18, would get $2,569 per month. And over $3000 with the Canada Child Benefit. After a year if theyre not self sufficient they switch over to welfare.

That's not propaganda.

There is also non-monetary benefits provided. The free healthcare benefits during this time should not be forgotten. Those are ‘costs’ and they do have an impact of reducing services/availability to Canadians/PR’s.

 

[Underway]

That's not necessarily a sustainable business model. "I will pay you less than market wages because you're ex military" isn't a way to attract the best and brightest, so much as those lacking other options.

That contract isn't less than market wages for a teaching position. Its in line with them, . Says more about how we value teachers.
Google AI stated this:
In Canada, the average annual salary for a trade college professor or instructor is generally between $38,000 and $95,000, though this can vary significantly based on experience, location, and the specific institution. Hourly rates can be around $30-$40 on average, but this depends heavily on whether it's a full-time or part-time position.
This is from Indeed market research:
Average Skilled Trades College of Canada Instructor hourly pay in Canada is approximately $37.60, which is 27% above the national average

 

[Czech_pivo]

That contract isn't less than market wages for a teaching position. Its in line with them, . Says more about how we value teachers.
Google AI stated this:
In Canada, the average annual salary for a trade college professor or instructor is generally between $38,000 and $95,000, though this can vary significantly based on experience, location, and the specific institution. Hourly rates can be around $30-$40 on average, but this depends heavily on whether it's a full-time or part-time position.
This is from Indeed market research:
Average Skilled Trades College of Canada Instructor hourly pay in Canada is approximately $37.60, which is 27% above the national average

5 weeks paid vacation is pretty solid as well. Add in the typical 10 paid holidays in Ontario and that's 7 weeks of vacation.

 

[Underway]

5 weeks paid vacation is pretty solid as well. Add in the typical 10 paid holidays in Ontario and that's 7 weeks of vacation.

I didn't say paid vacation. And if you are hourly you don't get paid holidays. You work them or you don't. If its a salary then that's different.

 

[Czech_pivo]

I didn't say paid vacation. And if you are hourly you don't get paid holidays. You work them or you don't. If its a salary then that's different.

I believe that the original post said that the role came with 25 paid vacation days.