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HavokFour said:
Returning the survivors of the latest strike is really making it seem like it might have very well been a random boat (which also brings into question of the validity of the other strikes), and not of the criminal variety.
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There is no validity to what he is doing. Even if they are drug trafficking there is no right to shoot them dead randomly in international waters. That is called murder.
 
brihard said:
Hah! He did, too. I just went to check against the original and he deleted it and reposted it corrected.


The most recent video I saw was consistent with a smuggling submersible, FWIW.

That said, from the moment this started I don’t think I was the o my one who said they’re inevitably gonna screw something up and smoke some innocent civilians. If it hasn’t happened yet, and if this continues, they will.
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Drug dealers are going to force a family with kids onto a boat and leak that it is full of drugs and high level dudes. They will make sure a rescue boat is nearby to film the bodies of kids.
 
Are we angry because international law is being broken and people died without a fair trial? Or are we angry because it's trump doing it?

There's a lot of dead civilians at US and allies hands who were collateral damage.

On August 29, 2021 the US dropped a hellfire into a residential compound in Kabul they "suspected" of being the mastermind behind the airport attack that cost 13 US service membere lives. Their intelligence was shoddy at best.

On the 17th of September the Pentagon admitted the people killed had nothing to do with ISIS or the bombing. They killed 3 innocent adults and 7 children.

The US government was under pressure to get revenge quickly for the 13 dead service members and ended up smoking a bunch of kids. I don't recall a lot of outrage over that one.
 
Jarnhamar said:
Are we angry because international law is being broken and people died without a fair trial? Or are we angry because it's trump doing it?

There's a lot of dead civilians at US and allies hands who were collateral damage.

On August 29, 2021 the US dropped a hellfire into a residential compound in Kabul they "suspected" of being the mastermind behind the airport attack that cost 13 US service membere lives. Their intelligence was shoddy at best.

On the 17th of September the Pentagon admitted the people killed had nothing to do with ISIS or the bombing. They killed 3 innocent adults and 7 children.

The US government was under pressure to get revenge quickly for the 13 dead service members and ended up smoking a bunch of kids. I don't recall a lot of outrage over that one.
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Playing fast and loose with 'habeus corpus' can have unintended consequences...

www.yahoo.com

Trump's Homeland Security Advisor Is Going Viral For Claiming The White House Is "Actively Looking" Into Suspending "Habeas Corpus"

"Reinterpreting the Constitution on a whim in an effort to grant authoritarian powers is unpatriotic and un-American."
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daftandbarmy said:
Playing fast and loose with 'habeus corpus' can have unintended consequences...
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Bad idea. The only possible good would be to settle a couple of legal questions: whether the executive has the power to suspend it at all, and what exactly "invasion" means as a pretext.

The arrow of time is replete with decision points at which "playing fast and loose with X can have unintended consequences" went unheeded. I wonder if anyone protesting will take on board the meta-lesson.
 
Eaglelord17 said:
There is no validity to what he is doing. Even if they are drug trafficking there is no right to shoot them dead randomly in international waters. That is called murder.
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I don't know...

If drug cartels are now being labelled as terror organizations - and if those boats are indeed carrying drugs, proceeds from drugs, or cartel members - could they not make for legitimate military targets?

(Kinda think of them as Taliban but with speedboats instead of speedbikes?)



What is the alternative?
 
Jarnhamar said:
The US government was under pressure to get revenge quickly for the 13 dead service members and ended up smoking a bunch of kids. I don't recall a lot of outrage over that one.
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You are confounding one unfortunate incident that was made in error with a deliberate plan to execute criminals without warning or legal process. The first is negligence at worst, the current program is murder.

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FJAG said:
You are confounding one unfortunate incident that was made in error with a deliberate plan to execute criminals without warning or legal process. The first is negligence at worst, the current program is murder.

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Just editing to stay in topic.

Don't get me wrong. Attacking a drug boat like they did seems like it violates US Law and International law. They murdered them the same way drug cartels murder rivals.

I just think the west is very selective as to when we care about citizens from other countries dying because of our actions.
 
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And the American ambassador to Canada wonders why Canadians don't love Americans anymore?

Canadian snowbirds fingerprinted and photographed at U.S. border as part of new requirement​

U.S. Customs and Border Protection says travellers who register at border will be subjected to such measures​


Sophia Harris · CBC News
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Ree says she and her husband waited in line for 1.5 hours, only to be told by a second CBP officer they couldn’t register at the border. But when they were about to leave, a third officer said he could register the couple, and proceeded to photograph and fingerprint them for data collection purposes.

“I thought, ‘Jeez, I hope I don’t have anything on my record they’re going to find,’” said Ree, adding that she didn’t.

The couple was charged $60 US total for their completed registration.

Ree said she feels the fee is a "bit of a money grab," and found the process frustrating as CBP officers had conflicting notions about whether they could register travellers.
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Considering that the average snowbird drops tens of thousands of dollars into the American economy for a three to four month stay . . .

Talk about self-inflicted wounds.

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CBH99 said:
I don't know...

If drug cartels are now being labelled as terror organizations - and if those boats are indeed carrying drugs, proceeds from drugs, or cartel members - could they not make for legitimate military targets?

(Kinda think of them as Taliban but with speedboats instead of speedbikes?)



What is the alternative?
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According to this Administration, 'massive amounts' of fentanyl enter the US from Canada. Would we be ok with their military blowing up boats in our waters?
 
FJAG said:
And the American ambassador to Canada wonders why Canadians don't love Americans anymore?




Considering that the average snowbird drops tens of thousands of dollars into the American economy for a three to four month stay . . .

Talk about self-inflicted wounds.

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Canadian snowbirds are generally entitled asses who fail to recognize that they are aliens being tolerated in a foreign country, with no entitlement to be there.
 
dapaterson said:
Canadian snowbirds are generally entitled asses who fail to recognize that they are aliens being tolerated in a foreign country, with no entitlement to be there.
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Actually you are dead wrong.

I've stopped going south over the bullshit and insanity running rampant down there. I've in the past been a great fan of the US and vacationed down there with other Canadians, many of whom I know personally. We all know we're in a foreign country and that it's theirs and they set the rules. That includes having to put up with real entitled Floridian asses exercising their constitutional right to go shopping carrying their assault rifles. If you ever want to get the feeling that "we're not in [Ontario] anymore, Toto," it's that.

In the year before all this crap started, Canadians spent about $8 billion in the US buying real estate and over $20 billion living in the US. We've had decades of a status quo where it was never a question of being tolerated - instead we were welcomed. and encouraged to come; we boosted many local economies and they knew and appreciated that. A small gaggle of paranoid, politicians and their enraptured followers have decided that to uplift themselves, they need to paint everyone else who isn't them - including many of their own countrymen - as an enemy. It's created a whole new paradigm.

Nope. This isn't a case of an entitled group with their noses out of joint. It's a dawning realization that many of our southern neighbours are happy to treat us as shit because we simply don't count.

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