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Trump administration 2024-2028

CBH99 said:
If drug cartels are now being labelled as terror organizations - and if those boats are indeed carrying drugs, proceeds from drugs, or cartel members - could they not make for legitimate military targets?
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Too many countries are over-using "terrorist" designations. Canada just did it with the Bishnoi gang. We might consider sucking back and treating all gangs - including the misfits plotting revolution in the mountains - as plain ordinary criminal gangs. There ought to be a very prominent political nexus, standing well above all the policy protests that have become routine (even when they interfere with "government operations"), for criminal activities to be promoted to terrorism.
CBH99 said:
What is the alternative?
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What some in the US advocate is to treat them as pirates used to be treated - basically, a target with pretty much no process rights. People are tired of relatively open criminality, know that under-resourced processes are going to drag on for long intervals without much result, and at the extreme just want to see some of the worst offenders Dead Right There. Either the people invested in order and rules-based institutions get a grip with the resources they currently have, or the slide to sloppy process and outright vigilantism continues.
 
HavokFour said:
Whoopsie.

www.nytimes.com

Shell Detonated Over Interstate 5 During Marines Event, California Officials Say

The mishap, during an anniversary celebration for the Marine Corps attended by the vice president and defense secretary, underscores safety concerns that Gov. Gavin Newsom voiced before Saturday’s event at Camp Pendleton.
www.nytimes.com www.nytimes.com
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Apparently it was the Govonour who shut the highway down when he heard about the plans. Were they actually planning on firing live artillery over an open highway?
 
HavokFour said:
Whoopsie.

www.nytimes.com

Shell Detonated Over Interstate 5 During Marines Event, California Officials Say

The mishap, during an anniversary celebration for the Marine Corps attended by the vice president and defense secretary, underscores safety concerns that Gov. Gavin Newsom voiced before Saturday’s event at Camp Pendleton.
www.nytimes.com www.nytimes.com
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Kilted said:
Apparently it was the Govonour who shut the highway down when he heard about the plans. Were they actually planning on firing live artillery over an open highway?
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Yes. Yes they were.

I took a look at a map of Pendleton. There is a tiny strip of land to the west of Interstate 5 with the bulk of the base to the east. I have no idea where this "display" (i.e. the impact point was to take place, but on the map the battery appears to be less than a kilometre from the highway so there is no way they could have been impacting anywhere without firing over the highway.

Here's a picture of the battery firing from the beach.

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IMHO there is zero need to fire over this highway. There is plenty of space to deploy on the eastern side of the highway.

I'm not as worried about prematures as the average guy and generally don't concern myself about firing overhead of folks . . . but there are sometimes issues with airburst fuzes and with multifunction/multi-option fuzes being as prevalent as they are, most rounds these days have an airburst function. Judging by the position of the guns vis a vis the highway, the round must have functioned a split-second after leaving the muzzle.

I'm not aware of any particular issues with these fuzes, but, over the years we've had issues, off and on, with premature functioning with various different types of them resulting in overhead fire restrictions. from time to time. Obviously there is a non-zero risk of premature.

Firing across a busy highway like Interstate 5 is just an entirely unnecessary risk. Deep down I feel there is more to the story here and that this relates to the Trump administration feud with California's governor.

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Brad Sallows said:
Too many countries are over-using "terrorist" designations. Canada just did it with the Bishnoi gang. We might consider sucking back and treating all gangs - including the misfits plotting revolution in the mountains - as plain ordinary criminal gangs. There ought to be a very prominent political nexus, standing well above all the policy protests that have become routine (even when they interfere with "government operations"), for criminal activities to be promoted to terrorism.

What some in the US advocate is to treat them as pirates used to be treated - basically, a target with pretty much no process rights. People are tired of relatively open criminality, know that under-resourced processes are going to drag on for long intervals without much result, and at the extreme just want to see some of the worst offenders Dead Right There. Either the people invested in order and rules-based institutions get a grip with the resources they currently have, or the slide to sloppy process and outright vigilantism continues.
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Not just countries but far too many politicians as well as high-profile pundits and vloggers, in general are over-using the “terrorist” designation. It’s become the new “ it” word to vilify anybody they don’t like.
 
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