Army Reserve Restructuring

[Kilted]

Which one? I'd like a six pack of what ever substance the forecasters are using!

The one we aren't suppose to talk about.

 

[Kilted]

Register for the Nova Scotia Guard

Register to volunteer with the Nova Scotia Guard to help provide support during an emergency.

www.novascotia.ca

Reports to the Minister of Emergency Management.

I don't see any reason why other provinces couldn't go the same route and perhaps even support provincial sheriffs.

Sounds similar to the Ontario Corps.

 

[daftandbarmy]

Is there any OECD or developed country where sub-national jurisdictions have their own militias, other than the US? I really don’t think there is any appetite in this country for provincial militias, other than from those who are separatist or separatist-curious.

If we’re looking for a new pool of “not quite military help for emergencies”, why don’t we look at expanding the Canadian Rangers in the south? My understanding is they provide that kind of service in the North.

There are also many other existing volunteer organizations like GSAR, Team Rubicon and local volunteer fire departments that provide that that service, but struggle like everyone else to find enough suitable volunteers and funding.

I'm shocked that you seem to believe that a cheap, volunteer based, centuries old method of raising temporarily employed cannon fodder to further the Imperialist aims, and guard the frontiers, of resource extracting colonial European Empires against the periodic onslaught of largely ill equipped and angry indigenous peoples would need improvement in the age of the splitting atom and nation state backed global warfare et al.

Shocked...

 

[FJAG]

Why would it not be?

Take a look at s 16(1). It's triggering event is an "emergency" which is a defined event in the NDA. Unless I lost track in this meandering thread, the issue of its use was to form something in the nature of a provincial military force like the ARNG. That's an enduring organization. The s 16 Special Force is a force specifically recruited for a limited purpose - such as the Korean War. At the time DND did not want to raise more RegF or Militia troops for it and thus the Special Force provision was activated for a force that would serve for the duration of the war and then be shut down.

How did they incorporate the Coast Guard into DND? They used a OIC.

The OiC (which I have not read) merely incorporates the CG under DND as a special operating agency. It did not make it a component of the CAF

Since the Milita act was absorbed into the NDA. I wonder if a province could stand up their own Defence Force? If not then what would stop a province form standing up a Security Force and arming them with Light Infantry style weapons?

Well s91 of the Constitution would prevent a "military" force but there are already numerous police forces with teams armed with military gear. You're only discussing the scale of the thing. Note such a force would probably be a component of their provincial police force which for most provinces is the RCMP.

In theory they could, but if a province stood up a security force and called it a police agency there is not much the Feds could do

In response to the national guard comment above.

And why would the Feds want to. Maybe once the provinces started buying artillery someone might take notice.

 

[Kirkhill]

Take a look at s 16(1). It's triggering event is an "emergency" which is a defined event in the NDA. Unless I lost track in this meandering thread, the issue of its use was to form something in the nature of a provincial military force like the ARNG. That's an enduring organization. The s 16 Special Force is a force specifically recruited for a limited purpose - such as the Korean War. At the time DND did not want to raise more RegF or Militia troops for it and thus the Special Force provision was activated for a force that would serve for the duration of the war and then be shut down.

The OiC (which I have not read) merely incorporates the CG under DND as a special operating agency. It did not make it a component of the CAF

Well s91 of the Constitution would prevent a "military" force but there are already numerous police forces with teams armed with military gear. You're only discussing the scale of the thing. Note such a force would probably be a component of their provincial police force which for most provinces is the RCMP.

And why would the Feds want to. Maybe once the provinces started buying artillery someone might take notice.

Carl Gustaf 84mm

Shoulder fired recoilless rifle or portable artillery.

Discuss.

 

[childs56]

Take a look at s 16(1). It's triggering event is an "emergency" which is a defined event in the NDA. Unless I lost track in this meandering thread, the issue of its use was to form something in the nature of a provincial military force like the ARNG. That's an enduring organization. The s 16 Special Force is a force specifically recruited for a limited purpose - such as the Korean War. At the time DND did not want to raise more RegF or Militia troops for it and thus the Special Force provision was activated for a force that would serve for the duration of the war and then be shut down.

Second to "Emergency" is "or if considered desirable in consequence of any action undertaken by Canada under the United Nations Charter or the North Atlantic Treaty, the North American Aerospace Defence Command Agreement or any other similar instrument to which Canada is a part".
Could Canada not start a Special service force for defence of Canadian Soil.

The OiC (which I have not read) merely incorporates the CG under DND as a special operating agency. It did not make it a component of the CAF

It may not be a component (yet) but thy do fall under DND now.

Well s91 of the Constitution would prevent a "military" force but there are already numerous police forces with teams armed with military gear. You're only discussing the scale of the thing. Note such a force would probably be a component of their provincial police force which for most provinces is the RCMP.

And why would the Feds want to. Maybe once the provinces started buying artillery someone might take notice.

LOL don't temp Alberta they just might buy some large guns. LOL

 

[GK .Dundas]

One of my very first postings to this forum concerned the QPP seriously discussing the purchase of Main Battle Tanks .

 

[FJAG]

Second to "Emergency" is "or if considered desirable in consequence of any action undertaken by Canada under the United Nations Charter or the North Atlantic Treaty, the North American Aerospace Defence Command Agreement or any other similar instrument to which Canada is a part".
Could Canada not start a Special service force for defence of Canadian Soil.

What action would this be in consequence of. There is nothing conceivable under the UN Charter or NATO or NORAD that would require a "provincial" militia-like Special Force be raised.

The NDA, as structured, has more than adequate provisions to create federal forces of various natures to meet any and all actions of the type contemplated.

The reserve force component has been subdivided into four subcomponents by a ministerial regulation. The Minister can create other subcomponents to his heart's content (although I'm fairly confident that the PRes, Rangers and SuppRes are quite adequate for Canada's needs.)

What I can't see is why the Feds would want to create a provincially controlled military force akin to the national guard. For that matter I can't see why you think it's a great idea. There are enough provisions to allow the Fed govt to provide federal military forces to assist the provinces in appropriate circumstances.

It may not be a component (yet) but thy do fall under DND now.

I think that would take a) some pretty heavy-duty legislative changes; and b) one hell of a fight with the CG.

That said, the NATO "counting the CG as a paramilitary" force provision under their funding formulas would require some substantial changes within the CG in any event. Notwithstanding that, I think having the CG in DND is a good first step. I won't predict where it will go but I'll watch it with interest.

 

[childs56]

What action would this be in consequence of. There is nothing conceivable under the UN Charter or NATO or NORAD that would require a "provincial" militia-like Special Force be raised.

They could use "any other similar instrument to which Canada is a part".

The NDA, as structured, has more than adequate provisions to create federal forces of various natures to meet any and all actions of the type contemplated.

Yet they are having a hard time recruiting to full strength.

The reserve force component has been subdivided into four subcomponents by a ministerial regulation. The Minister can create other subcomponents to his heart's content (although I'm fairly confident that the PRes, Rangers and SuppRes are quite adequate for Canada's needs.)

When the Cadet program has more members then the Reserves, Scouts Canada has more members then our Reserve Force does.

What I can't see is why the Feds would want to create a provincially controlled military force akin to the national guard. For that matter I can't see why you think it's a great idea.

I actually don't want to see this. But is was a question raised by another member and I chimed in.
Since your asking why. I would bet you would hire more people into a provincial reserve force for things such as disaster response, quick response teams then we are as a National force.

There are enough provisions to allow the Fed govt to provide federal military forces to assist the provinces in appropriate circumstances.

Our Military is over stretched as it is. They barely have the staff and equipment they need to keep their heads above water.

I think that would take a) some pretty heavy-duty legislative changes; and b) one hell of a fight with the CG.

It is in Parliament now to change their duties. They do report to and under DND now. The couple of years will be interesting. Wil we see a split of the Coastguard into two divisions, first one security/ Defence, second one maintain their current role.

That said, the NATO "counting the CG as a paramilitary" force provision under their funding formulas would require some substantial changes within the CG in any event. Notwithstanding that, I think having the CG in DND is a good first step. I won't predict where it will go but I'll watch it with interest.

It will be a very interesting move going forward. I wonder how the union is reacting to this change.

 

[Halifax Tar]

Register for the Nova Scotia Guard

Register to volunteer with the Nova Scotia Guard to help provide support during an emergency.

www.novascotia.ca

Reports to the Minister of Emergency Management.

I don't see any reason why other provinces couldn't go the same route and perhaps even support provincial sheriffs.

Was just coming here to post this!

 

[Remius]

They could use "any other similar instrument to which Canada is a part".

Yet they are having a hard time recruiting to full strength.

I doubt a provincial militia would fare better.

When the Cadet program has more members then the Reserves, Scouts Canada has more members then our Reserve Force does.

Apples and oranges. So does Hockey Canada.

I actually don't want to see this. But is was a question raised by another member and I chimed in.
Since your asking why. I would bet you would hire more people into a provincial reserve force for things such as disaster response, quick response teams then we are as a National force.

Maybe. But you would also not be paying anywhere near what they pay a reservist. You would likely not have the same medical and security requirements either. Training time would be less and that force would be useless for expeditionary purposes.

Our Military is over stretched as it is. They barely have the staff and equipment they need to keep their heads above water.

Agreed. Maybe fix that.