Continental Defence Corvette

[Underway]

From what ive seen so far, this project is basically team Vard and the vigilance class, and Davie who have their own proposal as well.

What I've seen is that Vard, and Davie are doing unsolicited proposals against a moving target of what the RCN needs in a capability. Everything they've produced has been just to advertise some ideas and make sure they are not forgotten.

Also Irving and SeaSpan actually have the expertise to design this ship (Seaspan in particular). There is likely a splitting of yards on this as well, either blocks built at different places or same ship built at different yards.

 

[SeaKingTacco]

Question from a humble crayon eater:

How does one get that range in a smaller vessel?

Generally by having an efficient propulsion system. The trade off is, you probably don’t get much in the way of top end speed.

 

[Underway]

Question from a humble crayon eater:

How does one get that range in a smaller vessel?

Generally by having an efficient propulsion system. The trade off is, you probably don’t get much in the way of top end speed.

There is also fuel capacity which increases range as well. AOPS has such a long range because they have a diesel electric motor system which efficiently uses the power generated for the ship. They also have stabilization fins (smooths out the ride) and large fuel tanks.

Mogami class gets some significant range out of a Diesel and Gas arrangement (Gas for top speed, diesel for long cruise). To the point the Ozzies are wondering if they even need a tanker for them (they will, but perhaps it gives them some flexability).

 

[OldSolduer]

Thanks to you both. If I were 50 years younger I might be tempted to join the RCN - maybe

 

[MilEME09]

What I've seen is that Vard, and Davie are doing unsolicited proposals against a moving target of what the RCN needs in a capability. Everything they've produced has been just to advertise some ideas and make sure they are not forgotten.

Also Irving and SeaSpan actually have the expertise to design this ship (Seaspan in particular). There is likely a splitting of yards on this as well, either blocks built at different places or same ship built at different yards.

Vard is already partnered with Seaspan and Babcock so I think they are ahead of the game there

 

[Ludoc]

Question from a humble crayon eater:

How does one get that range in a smaller vessel?

Turn off the engine and coast down the back side of waves.

 

[Halifax Tar]

Thanks to you both. If I were 50 years younger I might be tempted to join the RCN - maybe

You'd look great in a sailor outfit

 

[YZT580]

Turn off the engine and coast down the back side of waves.

sails

 

[Jarnhamar]

15 Destroyers, 12 light frigates, 12 submarines.

Does the navy have the sailors to man all of these ships?

From what I understand the navy currently has some issues with a number of sailors either not wanting to sail or being non MELs.

 

[Furniture]

15 Destroyers, 12 light frigates, 12 submarines.

Does the navy have the sailors to man all of these ships?

From what I understand the navy currently has some issues with a number of sailors either not wanting to sail or being non MELs.

New ships tend to lower the number of people not waiting to sail. Living conditions are better, and there are less breakdowns of systems like fresh and black water.

 

[IKnowNothing]

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As discussed at the recent SEAPOWER 2025 these are envisioned to bring the fight to the ice edge in the arctic (PC6 hull form). You can see that these are not likely to be Corvettes, but frigates (FFG's by the looks of things) in the 2500-4000 ton range. Their range is significant so they can do the long endurance patrols including transit from E to W through the NWP.

Their defensive suite is supposed to be roughly equivalent to the CPF's (at a minimum).

No towed array, no manned helo, no mention of torps in the armament- shift from sub hunters to surface/air A2AD nodes?

 

[IKnowNothing]

My guess is that we see CSC scalled back in number or the timeline "stretched out" and we start cranking these out. The 3x AEGIS capable CSC get built and then we start pumping out these puppies with CSC slowly trickling in.

Yeah- as the noise level (and numbers) between the CPS and CDC got higher my assumption has been that the unspoken compromise is that RCD numbers are getting cut behind the scenes.

 

[Ludoc]

No towed array, no manned helo, no mention of torps in the armament- shift from sub hunters to surface/air A2AD nodes?

Do you need a manned helicopter? Can the helicopter crew work out of a sea can on the deck controlling a UAV and get near enough the same result?

 

[IKnowNothing]

Do you need a manned helicopter? Can the helicopter crew work out of a sea can on the deck controlling a UAV and get near enough the same result?

Dunno. User name says it all. In that vein, can UAV's offset not having a tail?

Throwing the @SeaKingTacco signal up into the air

 

[Czech_pivo]

What I've seen is that Vard, and Davie are doing unsolicited proposals against a moving target of what the RCN needs in a capability. Everything they've produced has been just to advertise some ideas and make sure they are not forgotten.

Also Irving and SeaSpan actually have the expertise to design this ship (Seaspan in particular). There is likely a splitting of yards on this as well, either blocks built at different places or same ship built at different yards.

Pulling on the thread a bit concerning the blocks built at different places or splitting of the build across different yards.

If the decision is made to have different blocks at different places, this would mean that effectively both yards would have to be located on the same coast. The 'stern' can't be built on the WC and the remainder of the ship be built on the EC, it would be impossible to move the stern piece to the EC or the opposite scenario to occur. So, different yards building different blocks means both yards located on the same coast.

If its the other scenario of having more than 1 yard build the ships, Davie looks to be #1 in terms of availability of space to build these ships. Seaspan might be #2 and I'm guessing that Irving would be dead last in terms of space and its close to 20yr build for the 15 Rivers. That's just looking at the 3 existing yards in the NSS. Obviously there are a handful of much smaller options, none of which have any experience in building ships 2,5000+ tons in size, let alone warships (even if 'minor' warships).

 

[Czech_pivo]

15 Destroyers, 12 light frigates, 12 submarines.

Does the navy have the sailors to man all of these ships?

From what I understand the navy currently has some issues with a number of sailors either not wanting to sail or being non MELs.

We are talking about 15+yrs from now.

 

[SeaKingTacco]

Dunno. User name says it all. In that vein, can UAV's offset not having a tail?

Throwing the @SeaKingTacco signal up into the air

I dunno.

Depends what you expect from an air asset. I would say that, line of sight from the surface unit, an uncrewed asset might be better. Over the horizon, I think there is still and advantage to crewing. You sure aren’t doing medevacs ashore with a UAV (yet).

Not having facilities onboard a ship for a large helo (AW101, Seahawk, Cyclone) definitely makes your ship less complex and less expensive, but you might lose tactical effectiveness and flexibility. Everything is about trade offs.

 

[Halifax Tar]

New ships tend to lower the number of people not waiting to sail. Living conditions are better, and there are less breakdowns of systems like fresh and black water.

True. We have an easier time crewing AOPS than we do CPFs.

I dunno.

Depends what you expect from an air asset. I would say that, line of sight from the surface unit, an uncrewed asset might be better. Over the horizon, I think there is still and advantage to crewing. You sure aren’t doing medevacs ashore with a UAV (yet).

Not having facilities onboard a ship for a large helo (AW101, Seahawk, Cyclone) definitely makes your ship less complex and less expensive, but you might lose tactical effectiveness and flexibility. Everything is about trade offs.

Just to point out MCDVs, AOPS and Subs don't have helos and the inability for them to do air medevacs doesn't seem to be a show stopper.

 

[IKnowNothing]

We are talking about 15+yrs from now.

At risk of going political, any aspect of this current military buildout that can't be executed by 2035 (or 2040 at latest) might as well be written in sand.

Our friend Vlady is 73.

Mulroney assumed office in 84. The Beattie White Paper came out in 87. By 93 the wall has fallen and Chretien is embarking on the decade of darkness/ implementing the peace dividend to balance the books. The grand vision for the Navy of 2050 better result in a viable force even if it isn't fully implemented, with preference given to boosting our capability as fast as possible in the next 10-15 years.

 

[MacNav63]

At risk of going political, anything of this current military buildout that can't be executed by 2035 (or 2040 at latest) might as well be written in sand.

Our friend Vlady is 73.

Mulroney assumed office in 84. The Beattie White Paper came out in 87. By 93 the wall has fallen and Chretien is embarking on the decade of darkness/ implementing the peace dividend to balance the books. The grand vision for the Navy of 2050 better result in a viable force even if it isn't fully implemented

Peace dividend 2.0. Never forget we'd already taken a huge peace dividend in 1969-70.