Navy to potentially create training ships on great lakes

[GK .Dundas]

The agreement says "that the Naval Force to be maintained upon the American Lakes." It has always been interpreted to not mean vessels being constructed, or conducting things like summer cruises.

Everybody that I met that was involved in Rush-Bagot understood it's purpose. It was a symbolic treaty that represented the working relationship on the Lakes, and indeed, the actual working relationships on the coasts. It's hard to take seriously people talking about armed patrols, and naval boarding parties, to "counter" the US when they have exchange planning staff in our Maritime Op Centers and vice versa.

Historically, US enforcement teams embark on Canadian ships, and the opposite. The strength of the relationship is working together. As long as they aren't doing anything we consider illegal or against or national values, work with them. That includes on immigration; nobody wants undocumented and unvetted immigrants going in etiher direction.

If Canada is working with the US to have an Orca replacement available on the Great Lakes to participate in that, great. If people are tossing around the idea to play to current anti-American sentiment, then they are short sighted at best. Just because the current administration is going against historical norms doesn't mean we should over-react. We should be trying to figure out where this is going and react accordingly.

If it gets more usable warships into fleet I wouldn't care if it were anti- Martian sentiment .
Well that's not quite true but ....
I do understand the problems that could be generated by short term political ...Well stupidity actually.
Do we really want to threaten or at least appear to threaten an apparently deranged US Government ?
If we could sell it as part of being a responsible partner in border security.

 

[Master Jack Carter]

Behind Haida, along the wharfage that borders the base, you still have 120 linear meters of space available. Right now the boats jetty is smack in the middle. Move it the East end and use, maybe, 30 meters for it. That leaves you with 90 meters to park four 35 meters vessels in two nests of two. It is more than sufficient.



You are making the same mistake as others: You are looking at NRU Orca's as if they were there for the same purpose as the ones attached to VENTURE. They would not - should not - be so. They are not there to train unqualified officers in navigation and basic watchkeeping, but to take trained personnel (officers and all trades) and train them (or keep up their training) in the various team requirements that make a crew ready for operations.

P.S. I agree that the old GLTC has got to go before anything bad happens (anyone remember what happened to the old STAR WWII building?). That's where I would want to build the new reserve trainers and the residence.

P.S.S. I also agree that the James Street Armoury has to go. But will the RHLI's Mafia (I mean Regie) ever agree to any modification to the "home of the regiment"?

The DND CABAL tried to shut down the Mewata Armouries in downtown Calgary, and shove everybody into Super Armouries like they did in Edmonton, with the Debney and Jefferson Armouries. The Calgary Highlanders have very wealthy Sugar Daddies that have fought off any take over of this World War 1 era Armoury for decades. I was posted to support the Calgary Highlanders and Kings Own Calgary Regiment at the Mewata Armories within the new Armoury Support Centre Concept invented by 41 CBG. The Ghost that lives in Mewata Armoury will make it very difficult for Construction Contractors to tear down and remediate the Armoury. It was used to train Canadian Soldiers for World War 1, 2, Korean War, and have sent one of the highest percentages of Reservists to !992 - Present UN and NATO Operations than any other Reserve Unit in Canada. The First CRIC or Composite Reserve Infantry Company within a Battle Group was led by the Calgary Highlanders for a Rotation in former Yugoslavia. Tearing down Historic Reserve Armouries that have history built into every brick of these buildings is always a very bad idea. London lost a huge piece of their history when the DND CABAL sold it to the DELTA HOTEL Franchise. It was home to the Regular Force RCR and the Cream of the Crop Top Regular Force 2 Brigade Combat Arms Units in Canada, before being handed over to Reserve Units.

 

[Master Jack Carter]

You could use this for many things going on right now. I couldn't agree more.

Canada needs to step up to the plate more for Sovereignty Operations to Protect Canada and North America. Central Canada has become out of control as a result of Uncontrolled Immigration, Gang Bangers, and one of the largest Stolen Vehicle Operations on our planet earth right now. The Gang Bangers ripping off peoples vehicles while they pull up into their driveways or trying to kick down front doors to do home invasions happening around the GTA are going to have a very bad day when they pull that in Rural Alberta. Our Premier of Alberta is introducing Legislation to Enforce the Castle Law which allows you to use Reasonable Force to protect your Castle from Intruders. 46 States have OPEN CARRY and is something a Sovereign Alberta will be introducing to allow OPEN CARRY here in our Province. Alberta Premier Danielle Smith knows my views about the use of the Canadian Armed Forces Regular Force and Reserve Units posted to Alberta like the National Guard, Marines and US Army have been deployed to beef up the Southern Borders, Fight Crime in Cities, and support the CBSA if required for removal of illegal aliens who have come into Canada illegally. Tough Times require Tough Choices! Canada is no longer what it once was, and is under attack on a daily basis, just not seen by the commoner folks who wear blinders and do not see what is really going on.

 

[Kirkhill]

It was interesting that the Rush-Bagot Treaty differentiated between Navy and Armed Coast Guard and have apparently continued that distinction even when the Coast Guard has effectively become an inshore navy.

Other countries engage their Coast Guard as an armed division of the Navy as well.

So our issues seem to be derived from our adamantly civilian Coast Guard. And its complete separation from the RCN.

If there was free movement between the Coast Guard, or at least a Patrol section, and the Navy, then it seems to me a bunch of problems would disappear.

Navalize one portion of the Coast Guard for armed patrols and leave the Navaids, science and SAR to the civilians.

 

[daftandbarmy]

Canada needs to step up to the plate more for Sovereignty Operations to Protect Canada and North America. Central Canada has become out of control as a result of Uncontrolled Immigration, Gang Bangers, and one of the largest Stolen Vehicle Operations on our planet earth right now. The Gang Bangers ripping off peoples vehicles while they pull up into their driveways or trying to kick down front doors to do home invasions happening around the GTA are going to have a very bad day when they pull that in Rural Alberta. Our Premier of Alberta is introducing Legislation to Enforce the Castle Law which allows you to use Reasonable Force to protect your Castle from Intruders. 46 States have OPEN CARRY and is something a Sovereign Alberta will be introducing to allow OPEN CARRY here in our Province. Alberta Premier Danielle Smith knows my views about the use of the Canadian Armed Forces Regular Force and Reserve Units posted to Alberta like the National Guard, Marines and US Army have been deployed to beef up the Southern Borders, Fight Crime in Cities, and support the CBSA if required for removal of illegal aliens who have come into Canada illegally. Tough Times require Tough Choices! Canada is no longer what it once was, and is under attack on a daily basis, just not seen by the commoner folks who wear blinders and do not see what is really going on.

Luckily, we have national health care to help take care of all the SIWs from NDs

 

[Kirkhill]

It was interesting that the Rush-Bagot Treaty differentiated between Navy and Armed Coast Guard and have apparently continued that distinction even when the Coast Guard has effectively become an inshore navy.

Other countries engage their Coast Guard as an armed division of the Navy as well.

So our issues seem to be derived from our adamantly civilian Coast Guard. And its complete separation from the RCN.

If there was free movement between the Coast Guard, or at least a Patrol section, and the Navy, then it seems to me a bunch of problems would disappear.

Navalize one portion of the Coast Guard for armed patrols and leave the Navaids, science and SAR to the civilians.

Wouldn't that bring us back around to DFO Fisheries Officers being distinct from Transport Canada?

And if DFO with constabulary powers then does the RCMP need to be on the water?